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Morning.

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/li ... ssion=true

An investigation into the treatment of six-stone Stephen Smith - who was wrongly denied benefits before his death - has shockingly found that the DWP 'followed policy'.


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Not shocking of course.Obviously,no one should need to be protected from the State,vulnerable or otherwise you would have thought .A weird sort of disconnected mindset.


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Oxfordshire social care costs 'rising due to parent failings'

Note the halycon days (of elimination,institutionalism and away from polite Society)reference.


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Expanding,it would have been absolute neglect and lack of fundamental responsibility for us not to ensure social care or.the exact opposite


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There is nothing responsible about not pursuing the possible best.


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Knobhead,I guess.


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jun, 2019 6:21 am 
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He's the failure,at a fundamental level,of course


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HindleA wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-oxfordshire-48687653?__twitter_impression=true

Oxfordshire social care costs 'rising due to parent failings'

Note the halycon days (of elimination,institutionalism and away from polite Society)reference.


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After the meeting, Mr Stratford said: "Part of the problem, I guess, is that when I was a lad, mums stayed at home for much longer. There was less evidence of family break-up.


Yeah, cos it isn't Tory policy to force abandoned mothers of very young children who rely on benefits back into work or anything :roll:

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jun, 2019 7:23 am 
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How things change from selfish mother abnegating responsibility and harming children for daring to have an outside life of; now not chucking into the care of others is irresponsible and sanctionable.

The same *contradictions"apply in general,eg.we value carers that's why,legal action notwithstanding we will financially penalise nonspare rooms,adapted homes you can't move from (or should have to)include on back to work/work more hours piffle even though not expected to and specifically disallow any earnings for homeowner support.Pincer movements.


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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jun, 2019 8:24 am 
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Went to hear this this bloke talk last night - he's put together lots of stuff from his blog into a book - Municipal Dreams - The Rise and Fall of Council Housing. He was very good and there was a really good turnout to listen too.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jun, 2019 8:57 am 
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Went to hear this this bloke talk last night - he's put together lots of stuff from his blog into a book - Municipal Dreams - The Rise and Fall of Council Housing. He was very good and there was a really good turnout to listen too.


I follow him on that Twitter and have his book too - haven't read it yet mind, there's a number in front of him before I get to that one.

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PostPosted: Thu 20 Jun, 2019 9:00 am 
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I note that Hammond is telling them like it is...and will thus almost certainly be out of a job soon.

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There are some immutable truths that will continue to shape the Brexit debate over the coming months, no matter who is leader of the Tory party:

First, unless there is a general election, the parliamentary arithmetic will not change. Parliament will not allow no-deal; and on the evidence so far, parliament will not support the only deal that is on the table;

Secondly, the European Union will not renegotiate the deal.

And, thirdly, the Irish question, and with it the backstop, will not go away.

It may be that I’m wrong, and a new leader will persuade parliament to accept the deal it has already rejected.

Or that the European Union does a 180-degree U-turn and re-opens the withdrawal agreement.

But if I’m not, if the deal the current PM has negotiated is, in fact, the best deal possible; and parliament continues to reject both it and no-deal, then the question to the candidates is not “What is your plan?”; but “What is your plan B?”.

If your plan A is undeliverable, not having a plan B is like not having a plan at all.

So, the candidates need to be honest with the public. They need to recognise and address the difficult trade-offs inherent in delivering Brexit ...

If the new prime minister cannot end the deadlock in parliament, then he will have to explore other democratic mechanisms to break the impasse.

Because if he fails, his job will be on the line – and so, too, will the jobs and prosperity of millions of our fellow citizens.


It occurred to me last night that while a Johnson Premiership might be bad enough, a Johnson Cabinet may well be a freakshow of the shockingly bad and utterly useless.

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Gotta love the replies on this...

https://twitter.com/zatzi/status/1141277679129374721

My favourite.

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I was part of the team that led the roll out of iPads at the UK Parliament. Our work showed these have a significantly lower cost for delivery of order papers, as well as enabling members to work more efficiently.

Have you considered actually doing some work on it?



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RogerOThornhill wrote:
I note that Hammond is telling them like it is...and will thus almost certainly be out of a job soon.


He's already out of a job soon, otherwise he wouldn't have said it. It was just as true before May resigned.

The only good thing about Johnson as PM is that at least something will happen, any of the others will just continue the paralysis.

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UK arms sales to Saudi Arabia for use in Yemen declared unlawful

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British arms sales to Saudi Arabia that were used in Yemen have been declared unlawful by the court of appeal because they contributed to indiscriminate civilian casualties in the bombing campaign from forces led by the Gulf kingdom.

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What provisions have been made for those that need a car in the London car free day,I presume there are exemptions,does anyone know?


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"our research found that sometimes cards were imposed on people in order to monitor and control their lives rather than to enable choice and control"


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We have not one but two Tory leadership votes today, in all probability.

They are spoiling us.


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Counting started - result about 1pm.

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Aaro can't really claim the moral high ground tho.


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Agreed.


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A good article from Helen Lewis :-o

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/0 ... g-it-wrong

why-political-journalism-keeps-getting-it-wrong

Predictably the worst passage is when she deals with Corbyn who she just hates, but there you go.


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There is nothing responsible about not pursuing the possible best.

People with sufficient ego strength agree with you. There are too many psychologically damaged and dysfunctional people in positions of power who don't.


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2 spoilt ballot papers!





Edited- typo


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Sajid Javid is out.


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Boris Johnson - 157

Jeremy Hunt - 59

Michael Gove - 61

Sajid Javid - 34

the thought of a Johnson/Gove final two is pretty horrific.

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2 spoilt ballot papers!





Edited- typo


Given that Rory Stewart said he wasn't endorsing anyone, maybe he crossed the names out and put his own?

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Boris Johnson - 157

Jeremy Hunt - 59

Michael Gove - 61

Sajid Javid - 34

the thought of a Johnson/Gove final two is pretty horrific.


Though maybe Javid's backers are more a bit more likely to support Hunt?

We won't have to wait long to find out the answer this time in any case ;)


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2 spoilt ballot papers!





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Given that Rory Stewart said he wasn't endorsing anyone, maybe he crossed the names out and pout his own?


Well, I'd guess that Rory Stewart was one - he'd have to be to maintain any credibility, surely?

But who was the other one? Theresa May?!


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Be interesting to see how many (if any) spoilt ballot papers turn up in the next round.


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There is a view that Johnson has seen Gove as the biggest threat to him all along - so do a few of his supporters now "lend" their votes to Hunt to ensure he gets through?


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Knives out for Boris Johnson's unofficial chief whip Gavin Williamson. Minister on a rival team describes him as a 'scheming c***', adding: 'It says a lot about Boris's judgment that he's allowed him anywhere near him.'

2:32 PM - Jun 20, 2019(Politics Live, Guardian)


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MPs have just started voting in the fifth ballot of the contest.

MPs will vote until 5.30pm, and we will get the result at around 6pm. (Politics Live, Guardian)


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Excellent comment btl at the guardian - historically we have 'solved' problems like this through partition.

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Tweet of the week

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That could be taken for a vote for any of them.


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Comment of the day overhead on corridor -
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A good article from Helen Lewis :-o

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk ... g-it-wrong

why-political-journalism-keeps-getting-it-wrong

Predictably the worst passage is when she deals with Corbyn who she just hates, but there you go.


That bit stuck out like a sore thumb compared with the rest of the piece tbh.

Almost as if it was a way of telling her journo mates "don't worry, I haven't gone totally to the dark side"......


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