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http://www.marketwatch.com/story/these- ... 2020-03-06" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; These 21 companies are working on coronavirus treatments or vaccines — here’s where things stand
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/these- ... 2020-03-06" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; These 21 companies are working on coronavirus treatments or vaccines — here’s where things stand
Hi everyone, hope all wellAnatolyKasparov wrote:This stuff needed to be leaked, quite frankly.Willow904 wrote:I wish I could forget.
It looks like it's going to be another day of wall to wall "resurrection" and it's getting very frustrating as I really want to know what's happening, where the outbreak is worse, how it's affecting people, how many people have been laid off or are on furlough, whether the financial packages announced by the government are working for people and so on.
I want some news, basically. Some new news, not raking over the disaster Labour's been for the last 5 years. We all know Ed's attempts to keep everything together failed. What now needs to be accepted is that all out war doesn't work either. Anyone who thinks that Labour will be saved if we just purge this group of people or that group of people don't understand how first past the post works and they have to get over it, and that includes the Blair worshippers who have to accept that when Blair won a landslide in 1997 he did so with a broad coalition of shadow ministers from across the board, not narrow minded purists all singing from the exact same song sheet. How Starmer reacts will be informative, I guess, but I can predict no one will be happy. We've got some characters on the right of the party who have behaved completely inappropriately and said some appalling things on the one hand but on the other hand we have the people who have leaked this potentially breaking privacy laws in doing so and thus dumping Labour in a whole lot of other trouble too.
And, boy, did it get chilly again or what? 8°C here, after 24°C yesterday.
I've been involved in left wing politics for nigh on 40 years now, and have seen a fair amount of things with my own eyes that were not for the squeamish. I have no illusions that factionalism will always exist, or that things will sometimes get nasty and people may even say things they don't really mean.
But certain stuff in these files is just - in the most elemental sense of that word - inhuman. Pure sociopathy. People who have forgotten why they got involved in the Labour party in the first place - save for certain individuals (and alas I have no doubt that this is true) who did so for totally amoral self-interested careerist reasons.
(but again, why were those types ever allowed to reach such prominent positions in the party hierarchy in the first place?)
Starmer needs to respond in some way - much of his support was motivated by a desire to put this kind of unpleasantness behind us.
More an 'R' and an 'M'tinyclanger2 wrote:Am sure some technical wizard will remind me (am thinking a 'P' and an 'F')
Aha - excellent - thanks!refitman wrote:More an 'R' and an 'M'tinyclanger2 wrote:Am sure some technical wizard will remind me (am thinking a 'P' and an 'F')
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If Labour hadn't been in apparent disarray, not least because staff were working against it, there wouldn't have been a 2017 GE.Abi Wilkinson
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If Labour had won 2017 we would have a well funded NHS with sufficient ventilators and PPE, and based on Corbyn’s interventions probably less disastrous policy in the early weeks, so it does quite matter that Labour staff were working against that
I'm very interested.Willow904 wrote: I'm interested in new developments, eg how Starmer responds
That could be an argument but once the election was called there are more and more indications of some shenanigans with the spending on specific seats.gilsey wrote:Abi Wilks falling into the trap here.
If Labour hadn't been in apparent disarray, not least because staff were working against it, there wouldn't have been a 2017 GE.Abi Wilkinson
@AbiWilks
If Labour had won 2017 we would have a well funded NHS with sufficient ventilators and PPE, and based on Corbyn’s interventions probably less disastrous policy in the early weeks, so it does quite matter that Labour staff were working against that
The first part is true, of course.
Racism, sexism, bullying and mismanagement were happening before and after, what these people did in 2017 is just one element of the evidence against them.howsillyofme1 wrote:
If it was found that once the election was called that there was continued attempts to ensure Labour did badly then that is surely worthy of investigation?
Did he actually know about what his partner was doing, at least in more than the most vaguely general terms?PaulfromYorkshire wrote:As I said yesterday I think Starmer will have to sack Ashworth. Which will be tough I know.
Afternoon all - reasonably long walk at a fairly brisk pace this afternoon. On my own as 'er indoors is confined to barracks,...Sienna Rodgers
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NEW: Keir Starmer and Angela Rayner are commissioning an urgent investigation into the internal report.
4:34 PM - 13 Apr 2020
I'd have more confidence if 2 of the 3 things they are investigating are 'why this report was commissioned' and 'how it became public'.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Good to see the joint statement from Starmer and Rayner.
My instincts are that while they must have known things like this were going on they will nevertheless have been shocked by the detail here.
I'd have more confidence if 2 of the 3 things they are investigating were not 'why this report was commissioned' and 'how it became public'. ??refitman wrote:I'd have more confidence if 2 of the 3 things they are investigating are 'why this report was commissioned' and 'how it became public'.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Good to see the joint statement from Starmer and Rayner.
My instincts are that while they must have known things like this were going on they will nevertheless have been shocked by the detail here.
It makes it sound like they are going to attack the people that produced the report, rather than the people featured in it, that seem to have brought the party into disrepute (at the very least).frog222 wrote:I'd have more confidence if 2 of the 3 things they are investigating were not 'why this report was commissioned' and 'how it became public'. ??refitman wrote:I'd have more confidence if 2 of the 3 things they are investigating are 'why this report was commissioned' and 'how it became public'.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Good to see the joint statement from Starmer and Rayner.
My instincts are that while they must have known things like this were going on they will nevertheless have been shocked by the detail here.
( or am I being thick ? )
I've just got round to reading this.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:This is quite remarkable
https://novaramedia.com/2020/04/12/its- ... d-to-lose/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Delusional.gilsey wrote:What kind of person would pay money to read this?
The UK will lead the global coronavirus response to end this pandemic sooner
By stopping a pandemic from turning into a long-term humanitarian disaster it will not just save lives but will help end the global spread of this disease sooner, writes Anne-Marie Trevelyan
Not sure why I bothered with a link, quite sure no-one here wants to.
Yes. The idea that Corbyn is himself antisemitic looks ever more ludicrous. It seems his main failing was not realising that a rapid expansion of membership was bound to bring some unwholesome characters into the party. And there were inadequate safeguards.refitman wrote:It's nice(!) to see the Guardian continuing to attack Corbyn over anti-Semitism, in their article on the report, despite it saying that things were much worse before him and Jenny Formby.
I saw that ages ago ! I was going to aplogise for not posting it here...GetYou wrote:I've just got round to reading this. Sickening.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:This is quite remarkable
https://novaramedia.com/2020/04/12/its- ... d-to-lose/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;