Tuesday 21st July 2020
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Tuesday 21st July 2020
Morning all.
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Comet Neowise viewing, from Gilsey
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Scottish Police half-heartedly investigated the Sitel call centre in bloody April...
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As in Leicester, the state has shown how 'business friendly' it really is ...
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As in Leicester, the state has shown how 'business friendly' it really is ...
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Morning all.
Bet School Business Leaders are loving this one...
Depending on the school, staff budgets are around 80% if total costs...
Bet School Business Leaders are loving this one...
EDSK
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Teachers are to receive a 3.1% pay rise following their “vital contribution” during the coronavirus outbreak.
However the funding for the pay rise is expected to have to come from within schools’ existing budgets.
(via
@wstewarttes
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Depending on the school, staff budgets are around 80% if total costs...
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I don't know how the bbc news, and even FFS the Guardian liveblog are reporting as 'rises' £'s which are coming out of existing budgets.RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Bet School Business Leaders are loving this one...EDSK
@EDSKthinktank
Teachers are to receive a 3.1% pay rise following their “vital contribution” during the coronavirus outbreak.
However the funding for the pay rise is expected to have to come from within schools’ existing budgets.
(via
@wstewarttes
)
Depending on the school, staff budgets are around 80% if total costs...
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Russia Report here.
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Good morfternoon.
Russia report not going too well for the Government.
Russia report not going too well for the Government.
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Russia report reveals UK government failed to investigate Kremlin interference
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Committee members said they could not definitively conclude whether the Kremlin had or had not successfully interfered in the Brexit vote because no effort had been made to find out.
“Even if the conclusion of any such assessment were that there was minimal interference, this would nonetheless represent a helpful reassurance to the public that the UK’s democratic processes had remained relatively safe,” the report added.
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At the press conference Stewart Hosie says Russia did try to influence the Brexit referendum. He says it is impossible to tell how influential it was. But he says what was really striking was the government’s refusal to even consider what impact this might have had. He says the government “actively avoided” trying to address this issue.
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Intelligence and Security Committee questions whether Government took
its eye off the ball on Russia, finds that they underestimated the response
required to the Russian threat and are still playing catch up:
Having worked in the money trade it's rather nice to see the City at last semi-officially described as a "laundromat" !
its eye off the ball on Russia, finds that they underestimated the response
required to the Russian threat and are still playing catch up:
I wouldn't call it a damp squib, easy enough to fill in the redacted parts ? Russian influence in the UK is the new normal. Successive
Governments have welcomed the oligarchs and their money with open
arms, providing them with a means of recycling illicit finance through
the London ‘laundromat’, and connections at the highest levels with
access to UK companies and political figures.
This has led to a growth industry of ‘enablers’ including lawyers,
accountants, and estate agents who are – wittingly or unwittingly – de
facto agents of the Russian state.
It clearly demonstrates the inherent tension between the Government’s
prosperity agenda and the need to protect national security. While we
cannot now shut the stable door, greater powers and transparency are
needed urgently.
UK is clearly a target for Russian disinformation. While the mechanics
of our paper-based voting system are largely sound, we cannot be
complacent about a hostile state taking deliberate action with the aim of
influencing our democratic processes.
Yet the defence of those democratic processes has appeared
something of a ‘hot potato’, with no one organisation considering itself
to be in the lead, or apparently willing to conduct an assessment of
such interference. This must change.
Social media companies must take action and remove covert hostile
state material: Government must ‘name and shame’ those who fail to
act.
We need other countries to step up with the UK and attach a cost to
Putin’s actions. Salisbury must not be allowed to become the high water
mark in international unity over the Russia threat.
A number of issues addressed
Having worked in the money trade it's rather nice to see the City at last semi-officially described as a "laundromat" !
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Complete dereliction of duty sums it up.
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And guess who doesn't think that all teachers should get a pay rise...
The fact that it was the government who told schools to open only for children of key workers and those thought vulnerable seems to have passed him by.
This prompted an angry response from parents and the Campaign For Real Education, which said that education staff who had been refusing to return to the classroom with the backing of militant unions 'didn't deserve a pay rise'.
The think-tank's chairman, Chris McGovern, told MailOnline: 'It's a bit like the Saxons paying Danegald to the Vikings. It's trying to win favour with the profession and the unions, who have behaved appallingly by effectively keeping schools closed.'
Meanwhile, some parents took to Twitter to brand the pay rise 'ridiculous' when unions had been 'blocking attempts to reopen classrooms'.
The fact that it was the government who told schools to open only for children of key workers and those thought vulnerable seems to have passed him by.
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So are we saying that the advance spin on the report in this morning's Borisograph.......wasn't entirely accurate??
Shocked I am, truly shocked.
Shocked I am, truly shocked.
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Sawing firewood for winter, haven't read the report!, so WHO specifically didn't investigate, and (rhetorically) why ? Obsv a 'hot potato' because politicians as well as other collabos such as accountants and other pimps were filling their pockets, but that's bizness as usual for London, the City, and parliament .
The defence is of course that UK being a poor place has to find £££'s, lots of it, wherever it can . And the police and security services turn a blind eye.
Nothing new either that none of the loot percolated down to the increasingly precaire and fast-growing underclass.
The defence is of course that UK being a poor place has to find £££'s, lots of it, wherever it can . And the police and security services turn a blind eye.
Nothing new either that none of the loot percolated down to the increasingly precaire and fast-growing underclass.
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Modern political "journalists" understand big numbers even less than most other things.frog222 wrote:I don't know how the bbc news, and even FFS the Guardian liveblog are reporting as 'rises' £'s which are coming out of existing budgets.RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Bet School Business Leaders are loving this one...EDSK
@EDSKthinktank
Teachers are to receive a 3.1% pay rise following their “vital contribution” during the coronavirus outbreak.
However the funding for the pay rise is expected to have to come from within schools’ existing budgets.
(via
@wstewarttes
)
Depending on the school, staff budgets are around 80% if total costs...
"IS TONTY BLAIR BEHIND THIS???!!!!111???!!!"
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Oops.
Delyn MP Rob Roberts invited intern to 'fool around' with him
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Delyn MP Rob Roberts invited intern to 'fool around' with him
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Delyn MP Rob Roberts is facing allegations of inappropriate behaviour towards two junior members of parliamentary staff.
Messages seen by BBC Wales show the MP inviting a 21-year-old female intern to "fool around" with him.
He has also admitted asking out another House of Commons employee, which led them to move position.
Mr Roberts said he recognised the request to the staff member "was inappropriate".
But he did not provide a comment about the messages sent to the female intern, when asked for a response.
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Will the Tories stick to their "never resign over anything ever" stance that seems to be de rigeur under Johnson?
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Lisa Nandy on WATO just now.
Never use one word when you can witter on. And on .
Never use one word when you can witter on. And on .
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Coherence and conciseness have never been her strong points tbh.
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ibbajabba17 31m ago
Ex Cambridge Analytica consultant turned whistleblower Christopher Wylie tweeted the following a little earlier
Ex Cambridge Analytica consultant turned whistleblower Christopher Wylie tweeted the following a little earlier
"I gave MI5 direct correspondence between Russian embassy officials and senior Brexit campaigners, but nothing happened. There was huge interest from US agencies about what Russian officials were doing in the referendum, but UK agencies didn’t want to know."
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From the liveblog. As we see, last one above, MI5 was deliberately 'abstaining' .....jonathan harvey @WinterFell1701 Jul 21, 2020
Replying to @MarkUrban01
Surely, if MI5, MI6 etc got a directive to investigate from the government then things would have been different?
Mark Urban @MarkUrban01
That’s relevant to MI6 and GCHQ but even then isn’t the complete answer. Also, as members of the ISC have pointed out, MI5 is able to self task, could have moved this up the agenda
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Hmmm, exaggerated claims like the first reply to that tweet don't help tbh.
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Straight reporting from John Crace -- https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... s-a-crime-" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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This would indeed be pretty funny...
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The endgame of Shaun Bailey's campaign for the mayoralty will surely be running against cycle schemes backed and indeed probably driven through by central government.
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A decade after the BBC moved thousands of jobs north to Salford amid accusations that it was too London-centric, the broadcaster has been told by the government its programmes are now pandering to the “metropolitan elite” of Manchester.
In a sign of changing attitudes towards England’s second city that may please and dismay Mancunians in equal measure, the culture minister, John Whittingdale, has warned the BBC against making shows that appeal to the city’s cultural elite.
Whittingdale always was a clown.
But maybe the BBC ought to move some of its staff elsewhere - York perhaps?
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Surely there will be people at MI5/6, perhaps at a junior level, who know a lot about what the Russians have been up to.
If the govt doesn't want to know, the agencies top brass won't want to know either?
If the govt doesn't want to know, the agencies top brass won't want to know either?
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Dubbed the Campaign Against Real Education by one teacher I know.RogerOThornhill wrote: Campaign For Real Education
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I'm sure academy chains will meet this by cutting the pay of 'executive heads' and so on. Oh, no, I mean by cutting teacher numbers, cutting LSAs and cutting other resources.frog222 wrote:I don't know how the bbc news, and even FFS the Guardian liveblog are reporting as 'rises' £'s which are coming out of existing budgets.RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Bet School Business Leaders are loving this one...EDSK
@EDSKthinktank
Teachers are to receive a 3.1% pay rise following their “vital contribution” during the coronavirus outbreak.
However the funding for the pay rise is expected to have to come from within schools’ existing budgets.
(via
@wstewarttes
)
Depending on the school, staff budgets are around 80% if total costs...
I still believe in a town called Hope
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Interesting...look at item 10.
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Is this where Cummings takes the knife to the civil service?
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Is this where Cummings takes the knife to the civil service?
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Goodnight, everyone.
love,
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love,
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