Thursday 14th April 2022

[refitman]

Morning all.

[frog222]

[frog222]

R4 presenters and some of the ‘editorial’ stuff completely disgraceful earlier .

Interviewee Bishop so wet on the Rwanda refugee wheeze & scandal that he could have been poured through a fucking hosepipe. ( To their credit beeb pointed out that two thirds already received refugee status FFS) But it didn’t stop NRobinson predictiong the upcoming statement to be --- ” crowd-pleasing” .

He didn’t get what he was expecting from Tobias Ellwood either, such a pleasure !

Basically the military MoD is just getting on with stuff, as for years past and future, and No-one (IE Johnson) is Indispensable .

So sucks to you Robinson .
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The Partying is not over --



I do think people like the Uni student who was fined £10k and fired deserve some restitution.

[gilsey]

May Bulman
@maybulman
It's become clear that under this deal asylum seekers will be sent into Rwanda's asylum system. They won't be considered for UK asylum at all. It's a 'one-way ticket'

Seems obvious most people will not stay there and many will embark on the treacherous journey to Europe again

ffs

[frog222]

Katie talks with Bill Browder, author of "Freezing Order: A True Story of Money Laundering, Murder, and Surviving Vladimir Putin's Wrath", who spent a portion of his career as an investor in Russia before becoming the main thorn in Vladimir Putin's side. Browder and his associate, tax lawyer Sergei Magnitsky, discovered corruption among Russian oligarchs in the early 2000s, and attempted to expose the powerful men and the plot to extort 230 million dollars worth of Russian tax money.
Instead, Browder was expelled from Russia and Magnitsky was imprisoned, and eventually killed in detention in 2009. Since then, Browder has waged a war to expose the corrupt officials behind Magnitsky's death. In 2012, he was able to get The Magnitsky Act passed in the U.S., which is able to freeze the assets of targeted individuals, sanction human rights offenders, and ban them from entering the United States.

BEFORE the invasion he called for sanctions against the top few thousand oligarchs and functionaries , to halt Putin in his tracks ...

[refitman]

[PorFavor]

Good morfternoon.

It's obvious that this is nothing to do with "processing". It's a one-way ticket to Rwanda. And she's still doing the not knowing the difference between "legal" and "illegal" thing.

[AnatolyKasparov]

And that's even before we get to the cost of this totally ridiculous scheme.

Hardcore racists will adore this idea no matter what, but they aren't the majority and we shouldn't meme ourselves into thinking otherwise.

[PorFavor]

It's sounding more and more like the resurrection of a form of the slave trade.

There's a space in Bristol available for a statue of Priti Patel if one's required.

[PorFavor]

Anyway, sorry Ukraine. Your moment in the sunshine of Boris Johnson's smile would seem to have passed. Unless he needs you later.

[AnatolyKasparov]

That old TV advert for the kids game of that name should be revived with Putin saying "you've sunk my battleship"

[refitman]

God forbid Labour recruit from the left (or even the centre)

[AnatolyKasparov]

I still have the old fashioned view that we should view people leaving the Tories for better parties as a good thing. Your mileage may vary, of course.

Though that doesn't mean he was wise to post what he did, given the circumstances

[frog222]

[AnatolyKasparov]

Which was ultimately something deemed so utterly impractical - even by the Nazis - that it was never actually tried.

Of course their alternative (final) solution also left just a tad to be desired

(let us hope history doesn't repeat itself in that respect at least eh)

[tinyclanger2]

What the absolute f is P Patel's problem with people a) from any other country than, what, England? and b) escaping hell?

[frog222]

(let us hope history doesn't repeat itself in that respect at least eh)

I'm afraid that, in fact, history is going the same way, admittedly no gas chambers but what's mass starvation & disease then ? And Global Warming has hardly started ?

[frog222]

Read Aditya early this morning , it looked VERY like an obituary !

” In organising the £46bn “bounce back loan scheme”, he has overseen the greatest amount of fraud of any chancellor – so bad that one of his own ministers, Lord Agnew, resigned in disgust. Considering the sums of public money involved, this scandal should be on every front page in Britain: tens of thousands of loans handed to potential fraudsters and an estimated figure of up to £20bn lost from the public purse. Perhaps £4bn of that will be written off as fraud – roughly as much as Sunak has chopped off this year’s foreign aid budget. ”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... chancellor

The pathetic ‘ideology of small state low-tax ‘ following on fairly worldwide furlough schemes etc just proves the depth of the cognitive dissonance which prevails in the UKsphere.

At least here there’s a consensus among many that we NEED the bloody public sector

[frog222]

FORWARD to a glorious re-creation of our imperial past !

[refitman]

[gilsey]

I was curious about this so I consulted wikipedia, the Moskva and the General Belgrano were actually very similar in size

Displacement 12,490 tons
Length 186.4 m (611.5 ft)
Beam 20.8 m (68.2 ft)

Displacement 9,575 tons (empty) 12,242 (full load)
Length 608.3 ft (185.4 m)
Beam 61.8 ft (18.8 m)

For whatever reason, the Belgrano had twice as many crew, 1138 to 510.


Anyway the rest of that thread has interesting conjecture about the operation. I had an idea that we'd supplied UKR with an anti-ship missile system but apparently it was a system of their own, good.

Moscow's struggle to explain it is a bit of welcome light relief really.