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54% No, ouch.
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YouGov https://yougov.co.uk/opi/currently showing important topics to be:
Scottish Independence
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I think this is the on-the-day poll result.Retweeted by Ian Dunt
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YouGov Final Poll: No 54 Yes 46 #indyref per @electionista
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YouGov Calling it for no.
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But it is really just another poll. So less accurate than an exit poll.StephenDolan wrote:54% No, ouch.
If the shy noes argument applies that poll will understate the no vote just as much as the 92 exit poll exaggerated Labour's vote.
If the sample is skewed the other way - "There will be dancing in the streets of St Johnstone tonight."
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Alex Salmond not appearing in public until the final result declared..
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Can Dougie Alexander's smirk get any bigger?
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http://blogs.rollcall.com/five-by-five/ ... ding/?dcz=
oh god. our evil English ways mean we're on target for North Korean annihilation. If only we hadn't let ourselves be invaded by the Beakers, the Romans, the Saxons, the Danes, the Vikings, the Normans and their German in-laws. We only have ourselves to blame.
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Jim McColl appearing for the SNP/Yes side on Newsnight. You'd think they could at least have fielded somebody who lives in the UK, if not Scotland.letsskiptotheleft wrote:Alex Salmond not appearing in public until the final result declared..
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Dan F Hodges has just tweeted "no has won". Yikes!
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Oh dear, I;m not flavour of the month...this is from a debate about the money going into academy sponsor's pockets.
He told me to fuck off earlier when I wondered out loud why he seemed to be anti local authorities...that one got deleted. The jobsworth came out too.
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I've already told you that there is no point in continuing this thread. There's no point in talking to a jobs worth, you're too bigoted to reach agreement with.
He told me to fuck off earlier when I wondered out loud why he seemed to be anti local authorities...that one got deleted. The jobsworth came out too.
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fortunately the panic buying of vacuum cleaners means things aren't quite as bad as they could be.
http://www.currencynews.co.uk/forecast/ ... p-jpy.html
http://www.currencynews.co.uk/forecast/ ... p-jpy.html
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Mr Kasparov - I think we both understand the power of football magic, and the dangers of leaving the stadium before the whistle has blown.AnatolyKasparov wrote:Dan F Hodges has just tweeted "no has won". Yikes!
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Just to add a rumour from David Maddox at the Scotsman:
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Early briefings: Edinburgh West 4/1 No Dundee apparently 55 Yes also reports of strong No vote Edinburgh East #indyts #indyref
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The dramatic weather of this morning has just returned. What does that mean, I wonder? Hang on - I'll get my seaweed out . . .
I think Jeremy Vine and his Peter Snow impression has sapped the last of my energy. But I've done well, by my standards, to make it this far.
I'll stay logged in, in case I wander back during the night. (I sound like something from a Victorian ghost story.)
Meanwhile - have a good night\morning.
Goodnight, everyone. I'll have to try not to dream of DippyJHodges, now.
I think Jeremy Vine and his Peter Snow impression has sapped the last of my energy. But I've done well, by my standards, to make it this far.
I'll stay logged in, in case I wander back during the night. (I sound like something from a Victorian ghost story.)
Meanwhile - have a good night\morning.
Goodnight, everyone. I'll have to try not to dream of DippyJHodges, now.
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Apparently Farage describing the Referendum as a farce from start to finish.
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Do you have any more info on that Dundee "result"?Eric_WLothian wrote:Just to add a rumour from David Maddox at the Scotsman:
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Early briefings: Edinburgh West 4/1 No Dundee apparently 55 Yes also reports of strong No vote Edinburgh East #indyts #indyref
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crikey.HindleA wrote:Apparently Farage describing the Referendum as a farce from start to finish.
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No - it's just a tweet from Maddox. However, he added:tinyclanger2 wrote:Do you have any more info on that Dundee "result"?Eric_WLothian wrote:Just to add a rumour from David Maddox at the Scotsman:
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Early briefings: Edinburgh West 4/1 No Dundee apparently 55 Yes also reports of strong No vote Edinburgh East #indyts #indyref
If it is really 55% Yes in Dundee that wouldn't be a big enough win in one of their strongest areas
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PF - you've done a sterling job.
am on the look out for winseyette radio.
am on the look out for winseyette radio.
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Is that because he's been mostly ignored for the past few weeks?HindleA wrote:Apparently Farage describing the Referendum as a farce from start to finish.
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North Lanarkshire Clackmannanshire and Glasgow postal votes more than 60% No #indyref #indyts
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Thanks.Eric_WLothian wrote:tinyclanger2 wrote:Eric_WLothian wrote:
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They can't know this, at best they are getting sample guesses from a few wards. Those guesses would be biased by wishful thinking. When there is nothing to report they make stuff up.Eric_WLothian wrote:No - it's just a tweet from Maddox. However, he added:tinyclanger2 wrote:Do you have any more info on that Dundee "result"?Eric_WLothian wrote:Just to add a rumour from David Maddox at the Scotsman:
If it is really 55% Yes in Dundee that wouldn't be a big enough win in one of their strongest areas
Postal votes are real, but equally a potentially skewed sample (for example all the old people).
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Good old Nigel, always wrong.tinyclanger2 wrote:crikey.HindleA wrote:Apparently Farage describing the Referendum as a farce from start to finish.
The one thing this has not been is a farce. It has been a well run referendum on a hugely emotive issue.
The Scottish electoral people are top drawer.
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True - David Maddox is political reporter for the Scotsman and has been pro-union throughout the campaign. There's no indication as to where he's getting his figures.TechnicalEphemera wrote:They can't know this, at best they are getting sample guesses from a few wards. Those guesses would be biased by wishful thinking. When there is nothing to report they make stuff up.Eric_WLothian wrote:No - it's just a tweet from Maddox. However, he added:tinyclanger2 wrote: Do you have any more info on that Dundee "result"?
If it is really 55% Yes in Dundee that wouldn't be a big enough win in one of their strongest areas
Postal votes are real, but equally a potentially skewed sample (for example all the old people).
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And of course the epitome of farce [by which i mean farage - not the Scottish electoral people!]. Whichever way Scotland goes, we have to sort ourselves out.TechnicalEphemera wrote:Good old Nigel, always wrong.tinyclanger2 wrote:crikey.HindleA wrote:Apparently Farage describing the Referendum as a farce from start to finish.
The one thing this has not been is a farce. It has been a well run referendum on a hugely emotive issue.
The Scottish electoral people are top drawer.
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No way am I staying up for this. It's interesting but I only had 3 1/2 hours sleep last night so I am now knackered.
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http://www.cnbc.com/id/102014318 "no vote could lead to unpleasant scenes" whereas of course yes vote would lead to utopian dream. As any sane person predicted - the quest for division has ended with division, whichever way the coin falls.
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I think they will get over it.tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.cnbc.com/id/102014318 "no vote could lead to unpleasant scenes" whereas of course yes vote would lead to utopian dream. As any sane person predicted - the quest for division has ended with division, whichever way the coin falls.
Tomorrow there is beer to be consumed, or hangovers to be slept off.
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First (?) dramatic moments of tonight's count:
Will the plane ferrying ballot boxes around the Western Isles be able to land at Stornoway – or anywhere else, for that matter? Fog may or may not clear...
Will the plane ferrying ballot boxes around the Western Isles be able to land at Stornoway – or anywhere else, for that matter? Fog may or may not clear...
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I liked this - reported in the G.
https://twitter.com/finansakrobat/statu ... 56/photo/1
As somebody else tweeted - The Scots are giving it 110 percent.
Football managers everywhere rejoice.
https://twitter.com/finansakrobat/statu ... 56/photo/1
As somebody else tweeted - The Scots are giving it 110 percent.
Football managers everywhere rejoice.
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http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... government
definite hats off to Scotland for this kind of development.
definite hats off to Scotland for this kind of development.
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Hopefully they have got enough fuel for a diversion. A bit tricky to get FIDO working at this short notice.LadyCentauria wrote:First (?) dramatic moments of tonight's count:
Will the plane ferrying ballot boxes around the Western Isles be able to land at Stornoway – or anywhere else, for that matter? Fog may or may not clear...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fog_Inve ... _Operation
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LadyCentauria wrote:First (?) dramatic moments of tonight's count:
Will the plane ferrying ballot boxes around the Western Isles be able to land at Stornoway – or anywhere else, for that matter? Fog may or may not clear...
So it's survived the Benbecula TriangleBallot boxes in the Western Isles
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The plane has landed in Benbecula. If the skies stay clear, the boxes should be collected from Uist and Barra and loaded aboard by midnight - ballots should arrive in Stornoway by 00.30.
If the fog closes in again, Plan B is to take them across the Sound of Harris by fishing boat.
If the plane can fly, the count will be done by 02:30. If not, the count would be done by 05:00 or 06:00.
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He was always such a nice young man that Barry Manilow.Eric_WLothian wrote:LadyCentauria wrote:First (?) dramatic moments of tonight's count:
Will the plane ferrying ballot boxes around the Western Isles be able to land at Stornoway – or anywhere else, for that matter? Fog may or may not clear...So it's survived the Benbecula TriangleBallot boxes in the Western Isles
Posted at 23:34
The plane has landed in Benbecula. If the skies stay clear, the boxes should be collected from Uist and Barra and loaded aboard by midnight - ballots should arrive in Stornoway by 00.30.
If the fog closes in again, Plan B is to take them across the Sound of Harris by fishing boat.
If the plane can fly, the count will be done by 02:30. If not, the count would be done by 05:00 or 06:00.
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The biggest question of tonight is will Andrew Neil let anyone finish a sentence.
Oh look he's not interrupting Redwood at all...
Oh look he's not interrupting Redwood at all...
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John Redwood v Diane Abbott on the Beeb right now - gripping stuff (not)
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Eric_WLothian wrote:LadyCentauria wrote:First (?) dramatic moments of tonight's count:
Will the plane ferrying ballot boxes around the Western Isles be able to land at Stornoway – or anywhere else, for that matter? Fog may or may not clear...So it's survived the Benbecula TriangleBallot boxes in the Western Isles
Posted at 23:34
The plane has landed in Benbecula. If the skies stay clear, the boxes should be collected from Uist and Barra and loaded aboard by midnight - ballots should arrive in Stornoway by 00.30.
If the fog closes in again, Plan B is to take them across the Sound of Harris by fishing boat.
If the plane can fly, the count will be done by 02:30. If not, the count would be done by 05:00 or 06:00.
Tenuous link ,my dad used to go to Benbecula (RAF)
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Except the guy making it is a tosser. Most people really aren't that bothered by the West Lothian question.tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... government
definite hats off to Scotland for this kind of development.
You can't restrict voting rights of Scottish MPs, it would produce a farce of a government. The Tory's want it because that will make them the party of government.
A better approach is to devolve budgets and powers to the regions, including tax raising powers. That would be a sensible approach and would solve the problem to an extent. Of course the rUK already has a formula for sorting out need, the Tories just re-wrote it.
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Who deemed her the spokesperson for all things regarding Labour?AnatolyKasparov wrote:John Redwood v Diane Abbott on the Beeb right now - gripping stuff (not)
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She did.letsskiptotheleft wrote:Who deemed her the spokesperson for all things regarding Labour?AnatolyKasparov wrote:John Redwood v Diane Abbott on the Beeb right now - gripping stuff (not)
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I have no idea, Miliband needs to get a grip and replace her with somebody competent.letsskiptotheleft wrote:Who deemed her the spokesperson for all things regarding Labour?AnatolyKasparov wrote:John Redwood v Diane Abbott on the Beeb right now - gripping stuff (not)
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and thistinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... government
definite hats off to Scotland for this kind of development.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/wor ... e20680667/
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One for PorFavor, just as she gone to bed.
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Jim Murphy thanking Emily Pankhurst for expected No win on Radio 4.
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I agree. If we go down the route of federalism then it has to be completely devolved to regional level and not (as Redwood wants) national Parliaments. National Parliaments might work for Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland because of the population sizes but the population of England is much larger and it makes more sense to devolve to regions otherwise we just keep the current situation where large parts of the country have little power to improve the local economy, certainly far less than Scotland already has.TechnicalEphemera wrote:Except the guy making it is a tosser. Most people really aren't that bothered by the West Lothian question.tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... government
definite hats off to Scotland for this kind of development.
You can't restrict voting rights of Scottish MPs, it would produce a farce of a government. The Tory's want it because that will make them the party of government.
A better approach is to devolve budgets and powers to the regions, including tax raising powers. That would be a sensible approach and would solve the problem to an extent. Of course the rUK already has a formula for sorting out need, the Tories just re-wrote it.
It's obvious why Redwood wants an English Parliament though. He thinks that would result in a Tory government.
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Totally agree. And admit to posting apparent federalism link with scant regard for actual content in some kind of Crucible-type federalist fervour.Spacedone wrote:I agree. If we go down the route of federalism then it has to be completely devolved to regional level and not (as Redwood wants) national Parliaments. National Parliaments might work for Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland because of the population sizes but the population of England is much larger and it makes more sense to devolve to regions otherwise we just keep the current situation where large parts of the country have little power to improve the local economy, certainly far less than Scotland already has.TechnicalEphemera wrote:Except the guy making it is a tosser. Most people really aren't that bothered by the West Lothian question.tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... government
definite hats off to Scotland for this kind of development.
You can't restrict voting rights of Scottish MPs, it would produce a farce of a government. The Tory's want it because that will make them the party of government.
A better approach is to devolve budgets and powers to the regions, including tax raising powers. That would be a sensible approach and would solve the problem to an extent. Of course the rUK already has a formula for sorting out need, the Tories just re-wrote it.
It's obvious why Redwood wants an English Parliament though. He thinks that would result in a Tory government.
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Turnout in Orkney Islands: 14.907 which is 83.7%
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Does he have any say? She is somebody who the Beeb loves to go to for the "Labour view" - for reasons best known to themselves.TechnicalEphemera wrote:I have no idea, Miliband needs to get a grip and replace her with somebody competent.letsskiptotheleft wrote:Who deemed her the spokesperson for all things regarding Labour?AnatolyKasparov wrote:John Redwood v Diane Abbott on the Beeb right now - gripping stuff (not)
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