Saturday 2nd, Sunday 3rd & Monday 4th May 2015

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Sun 03 May, 2015 7:50 pm

Ruth Davison (Conservative Leader in Scotland) calls Jim Murphy a liar and says he's making it up, after he says that people are sanctioned without being told about it and only discover that they have been sanctioned when they go to the cashpoint and discover their benefit has not been paid in... (Leaders Debate, live from Scotland, being broadcast on the BBC News channel now)

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 03 May, 2015 7:52 pm

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

Goodnight, PF.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 03 May, 2015 7:53 pm

James Chapman (Mail) ‏@jameschappers 19m19 minutes ago
Tory source complains BBC TV news makes no mention of #EdStone derision, though last weekend whole story dedicated to PM's "West Ham" moment

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 03 May, 2015 7:55 pm

LadyCentauria wrote:Ruth Davison (Conservative Leader in Scotland) calls Jim Murphy a liar and says he's making it up, after he says that people are sanctioned without being told about it and only discover that they have been sanctioned when they go to the cashpoint and discover their benefit has not been paid in... (Leaders Debate, live from Scotland, being broadcast on the BBC News channel now)

I hope that statement is going to bring out a massive number of stories, tweets, statements from people proving that exactly that is happening with sanctions - and forcing Ruth Davison to withdraw her remark.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Sun 03 May, 2015 7:57 pm

Goodnight PF - sleep deeply, dream sweetly

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:03 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
James Chapman (Mail) ‏@jameschappers 19m19 minutes ago
Tory source complains BBC TV news makes no mention of #EdStone derision, though last weekend whole story dedicated to PM's "West Ham" moment

Bacon Sandwich!

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:05 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
James Chapman (Mail) ‏@jameschappers 19m19 minutes ago
Tory source complains BBC TV news makes no mention of #EdStone derision, though last weekend whole story dedicated to PM's "West Ham" moment

Only problem for poor ol' Chappers is that as the day wore on more & more people were seeing the positives, and the only derision was that manufactured by the Tories and the Fourth Estate.

Edited to say - Night Yahyah, night PF

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:08 pm

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB 4 hrs4 hours ago

Hard to see even taking Scotland into account how CON can be biggest party if there's a 5.1%swing to LAB in England and Wales

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:09 pm

joncraigSKY ‏@joncraig 1m1 minute ago
Cat out of the bag, says J Murphy as N Sturgeon says SNP will oppose Lab Budget, Only if it proposes cuts, she says.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:09 pm

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

Night PF

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:10 pm

The convenor of the debate asks Ruth Davison, "Do you not think that, in the event of a hung parliament, the Conservative Party could find themselves just as much held to ransom by the DUP or even UKIP as Labour could be with the SNP?" Her answer is, "No, because the difference is that we only need 23 more seats."

I'm glad he asked, he's the only one who has done, but he left the LibDems out...

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:12 pm

Owen Jones ‏@OwenJones84 21 hrs21 hours ago

The Tories are planning to declare victory even if the left win a majority of seats in Parliament. That is a coup d’etat.

Possible??? Christ, if it is I'll have to help man the barricades...

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:16 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
Owen Jones ‏@OwenJones84 21 hrs21 hours ago

The Tories are planning to declare victory even if the left win a majority of seats in Parliament. That is a coup d’etat.
Possible??? Christ, if it is I'll have to help man the barricades...

He's five years out of date.

However there were no barricades then, but I bet there would be this time.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:16 pm

LadyCentauria wrote:The convenor of the debate asks Ruth Davison, "Do you not think that, in the event of a hung parliament, the Conservative Party could find themselves just as much held to ransom by the DUP or even UKIP as Labour could be with the SNP?" Her answer is, "No, because the difference is that we only need 23 more seats."

I'm glad he asked, he's the only one who has done, but he left the LibDems out...

They keep peddling that only 23 more seats rubbish ... which has been comprehensively trounced. I heard someone explaining on Radio 4 why it just doesn't wash when Gove first came out with it. They really do think the public are utter fools.

It relies on them keeping all their current seats ... ain't going to happen. And every seat they lose to Labour actually makes a difference of 2 to the balance they then need to make it up ... and most of their battles are still in Labour / Conservative marginals.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:21 pm

Talking about IDS and McVey keeping low profiles this election Pickles seems to have disappeared off the scene ever since his car crash interview about resurrecting the Big Society...And what happened to that?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:25 pm

http://www.citizensuk.org/citizens_uk_g ... y_may_2015" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cameron pulls out, at 24 hours notice.

This is pathetic.

diGriz · Post by **diGriz** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:26 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:http://www.citizensuk.org/citizens_uk_g ... y_may_2015

Cameron pulls out, at 24 hours notice.

This is pathetic.

Has anyone in the country actually seen a tory lately? Are they all in a bunker somewhere?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:28 pm

I have no idea if this snippet has any accuracy to it at all - but was told today by someone who was out canvassing with us who has contacts in Cardiff that the Tories appear to have pulled right back from Cardiff North. They were previously piling in the resources there.

We had the most gruellingly long canvassing session in Goodwick today but overall very positive. It always feels constructive when I have some good conversations with people and I did today. Most people seemed genuinely interested in what might happen locally. I have yet to meet someone who has talked about anything Crabb has done for the county or offered any praise for him. Heard a lot of people express the opposite - in that they are definitely not voting for the Conservatives and want a change from Crabb. His constant running down of Wales, especially the Welsh NHS, does not play well here.

First day that I was asked several times if I had any posters they could put up in their windows. I did have and they were.

Absolutely shattered now. But Mr Riots is making mash to go with supper - and that's one of the culinary things he does very well. Brandy and mash ... what more could I ask for?

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:29 pm

Always said the Welsh were a perceptive bunch.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ds-9173965" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:38 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Always said the Welsh were a perceptive bunch.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ds-9173965" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Except they changed the wording on the stone, looks a bit tongue-in-cheek ?
How bloody odd!!
Just rechecked and the wording is right!
What's going on with that ?
First time it would not open so I copied and pasted, and the stone wording was going on about milk and eggs and bacon

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:44 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Always said the Welsh were a perceptive bunch.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ds-9173965" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Except they changed the wording on the stone, looks a bit tongue-in-cheek ?
How bloody odd!!
Just rechecked and the wording is right!
What's going on with that ?
First time it would not open so I copied and pasted, and the stone wording was going on about milk and eggs and bacon

More water with it AAW, more water.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:46 pm

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Always said the Welsh were a perceptive bunch.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ds-9173965" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Except they changed the wording on the stone, looks a bit tongue-in-cheek ?
How bloody odd!!
Just rechecked and the wording is right!
What's going on with that ?
First time it would not open so I copied and pasted, and the stone wording was going on about milk and eggs and bacon
More water with it AAW, more water.

Truly I'm not kidding - it was like a shopping list just trying to reproduce it now...
Scroll down to second pic

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:46 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Always said the Welsh were a perceptive bunch.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ds-9173965" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Except they changed the wording on the stone, looks a bit tongue-in-cheek ?
How bloody odd!!
Just rechecked and the wording is right!
What's going on with that ?
First time it would not open so I copied and pasted, and the stone wording was going on about milk and eggs and bacon

When I read it, the proper pledge one was at the top of the article and a mock shopping list one was further down the page, so don't panic, you're not going mad!

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:48 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:I have no idea if this snippet has any accuracy to it at all - but was told today by someone who was out canvassing with us who has contacts in Cardiff that the Tories appear to have pulled right back from Cardiff North. They were previously piling in the resources there.

It would make sense to pull back from there and go for Vale of Glamorgan instead.

Well done on your hard work!

diGriz · Post by **diGriz** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:49 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote: Except they changed the wording on the stone, looks a bit tongue-in-cheek ?
How bloody odd!!
Just rechecked and the wording is right!
What's going on with that ?
First time it would not open so I copied and pasted, and the stone wording was going on about milk and eggs and bacon
More water with it AAW, more water.
Truly I'm not kidding - it was like a shopping list just trying to reproduce it now...
Scroll down to second pic

That was the tweet related link. A photoshop done on the quick.

[edit] Jinx

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:50 pm

Willow904 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Always said the Welsh were a perceptive bunch.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... ds-9173965" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Except they changed the wording on the stone, looks a bit tongue-in-cheek ?
How bloody odd!!
Just rechecked and the wording is right!
What's going on with that ?
First time it would not open so I copied and pasted, and the stone wording was going on about milk and eggs and bacon
When I read it, the proper pledge one was at the top of the article and a mock shopping list one was further down the page, so don't panic, you're not going mad!

Phew! my browser very slow loading - I must have scrolled before it had landed properly!

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sun 03 May, 2015 8:59 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote: Except they changed the wording on the stone, looks a bit tongue-in-cheek ?
How bloody odd!!
Just rechecked and the wording is right!
What's going on with that ?
First time it would not open so I copied and pasted, and the stone wording was going on about milk and eggs and bacon
When I read it, the proper pledge one was at the top of the article and a mock shopping list one was further down the page, so don't panic, you're not going mad!
Phew! my browser very slow loading - I must have scrolled before it had landed properly!

I need more water in it, I completely ignored the 'shopped image.

Night all.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sun 03 May, 2015 9:03 pm

Will somebody on Labour's legal team get it sorted and make a complaint to the police about this thug.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 22221.html

Pretty certain there is a case to answer and a shed load of evidence to support it. Boris needs to be taught his hangers on have to respect the law.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sun 03 May, 2015 9:45 pm

So Sky's guess - Con 282, Lab 271, SNP 55, LD 17.

Which is Labour government with SNP "support".

I guess that assumes Labour lose a load of seats to the SNP, Tories and Labour gain a chunk from the Lib Dems.

I think that is possible, although I am not hugely confident I worry about sticky Tory marginals.

Tish · Post by **Tish** » Sun 03 May, 2015 9:46 pm

Steve Coogan stars in the last Labour PB, to go out tomorrow:

[youtube]nhw5RHvPalk[/youtube]

I like it, direct, simple and from the heart.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 03 May, 2015 9:49 pm

And lets not forget the Tory youths in Salmond masks who roughed Ed up...And they know who was behind it.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sun 03 May, 2015 9:53 pm

ohsocynical wrote:And lets not forget the Tory youths in Salmond masks who roughed Ed up...And they know who was behind it.

That was very sinister. If these guys get in I worry about our democracy.

Tish · Post by **Tish** » Sun 03 May, 2015 9:54 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:So Sky's guess - Con 282, Lab 271, SNP 55, LD 17.

Which is Labour government with SNP "support".

I guess that assumes Labour lose a load of seats to the SNP, Tories and Labour gain a chunk from the Lib Dems.

I think that is possible, although I am not hugely confident I worry about sticky Tory marginals.

But won't a lot of Tory marginals be at risk because of UKIP? My understanding was that the Tories failed to get about 30 seats that they were expecting to last time due to their voters deserting to UKIP, and that's when UKIP were on about 4%. Now they're on 12% the Tories could actually start losing seats because of it.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:04 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:So the question is, now the Guardian has endorsed Labour, does that mean I can come home?

Yes

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:06 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:So Sky's guess - Con 282, Lab 271, SNP 55, LD 17.

Which is Labour government with SNP "support".

I guess that assumes Labour lose a load of seats to the SNP, Tories and Labour gain a chunk from the Lib Dems.

I think that is possible, although I am not hugely confident I worry about sticky Tory marginals.

That's about the same Con, LD, DUP, UKIP combined as there was CON alone in 2010. That wouldn't be very good at all.

There are probably another 8 or 9 to add on to the "left" block there apart from the SNP.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:06 pm

Jane Merrick ‏@janemerrick23 28s28 seconds ago
Delia Smith backing Labour feels like bigger deal than Coogan. Probably bcos she has broader Middle England appeal + not a Leveson obsessive

Have I missed something tonight?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:07 pm

abby
‏@twcuddleston Ed took several minutes out of his day to make my whole week/year/life , what a legend! #VoteLabour #VoteCameronOut

(He rang her to check all was OK after press door-stepping)

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:09 pm

Oh, I see what it's all about now.

Jason Beattie ‏@JBeattieMirror 8m8 minutes ago
Delia Smith in @DailyMirror tomorrow declares she's backing Labour and warns another Tory govt would be "recipe for disaster" for NHS

That's a dreadful pun used rather well.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:09 pm

Have just been getting the error message again. Can't seem to post.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:10 pm

Tish wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:So Sky's guess - Con 282, Lab 271, SNP 55, LD 17.

Which is Labour government with SNP "support".

I guess that assumes Labour lose a load of seats to the SNP, Tories and Labour gain a chunk from the Lib Dems.

I think that is possible, although I am not hugely confident I worry about sticky Tory marginals.
But won't a lot of Tory marginals be at risk because of UKIP? My understanding was that the Tories failed to get about 30 seats that they were expecting to last time due to their voters deserting to UKIP, and that's when UKIP were on about 4%. Now they're on 12% the Tories could actually start losing seats because of it.

Depends how well the Tory party is able to squeeze them. They have thrown huge amounts of resources into these seats. Cameron is spamming them with mail and their activists may be paid but they are there.

Labour needs to win 60-70 seats, to offset the SNP losses. It is a big ask, but if the polls are accurate maybe. However if the Tories can halve the swing in the marginals they may squeak home.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:11 pm

John Curtice has Labour getting 11 seats in Scotland today.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/john-curti ... -1-3761699" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:11 pm

John Curtice has Labour getting 11 seats in Scotland today.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/john-curti ... -1-3761699" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:12 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Oh, I see what it's all about now.

Jason Beattie ‏@JBeattieMirror 8m8 minutes ago
Delia Smith in @DailyMirror tomorrow declares she's backing Labour and warns another Tory govt would be "recipe for disaster" for NHS
That's a dreadful pun used rather well.

And you think Ed Balls was just watching Norwich playing football.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:15 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:abby
‏@twcuddleston Ed took several minutes out of his day to make my whole week/year/life , what a legend! #VoteLabour #VoteCameronOut

(He rang her to check all was OK after press door-stepping)

They are both legends. Miliband is a classy guy.

If Labour manage to get over the line I can see a whole host of stories about the young woman who took on the right wing press. Not in the right wing press though.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:19 pm

Mark Ferguson ‏@Markfergusonuk 10m10 minutes ago
Mark Ferguson retweeted Neil Henderson
OH, HELLO! Mr Crosby, do tell me about your company’s plan to expand private healthcare…

Front page of tomorrow's Independent ...

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:29 pm

Christopher Hope ‏@christopherhope 24s24 seconds ago
What's going on? Delia Smith is voting LABOUR on Thursday #GE2015

Aaaah - is he not happy? This isn't what was supposed to happen.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:30 pm

Here she is in the Mirror
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/de ... ar_twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:35 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Mark Ferguson ‏@Markfergusonuk 10m10 minutes ago
Mark Ferguson retweeted Neil Henderson
OH, HELLO! Mr Crosby, do tell me about your company’s plan to expand private healthcare…
Front page of tomorrow's Independent ...

Yep - got it
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TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:36 pm

From Smithson.

4m4 minutes ago
Sun Politics ‏@SunPolitics
YouGov/Sun poll tonight - Tories have a one-point lead: CON 34%, LAB 33%, LD 9%, UKIP 12%, GRN 5%

diGriz · Post by **diGriz** » Sun 03 May, 2015 10:38 pm

Sorry if posted.
Sun Harasses Teenage Girl
http://zelo-street.blogspot.co.uk/2015/ ... -girl.html