Friday 8th May 2015

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:17 am

Labour gain Dewsbury and gain Chester both from Cons!

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:17 am

Dewsbury is now a Lab seat - well done Paula Sherriff !

Lab also gain City of Chester from Con !

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:19 am

Spacedone wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:
Spacedone wrote:Morning all,

Fucking hell.
Yes indeed.

Lots of thinking for Labour to do, problem is they really need to create time and space to think.

On a very minor plus side, once Cameron gets over the huge ego trip of scraping a win, he has an absolute nightmare ahead of him.

How is he going to deliver all those promises? What is he going to do about Europe? How is he going to handle ongoing Tory civil war?
I'm not sure what Labour can do to be honest, it's the electorate who have turned insane and it them who are going to have to realise what they've just done. They've clearly stopped listening to Labour.

Some people just like punching themselves in the face and living in fear it seems.

When my husband comforted me earlier he said 'This will be known as The Stupid Election'.
He was half asleep but had a point.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:19 am

Right at this moment Tory + LibDem + UKIP = Labour + SNP + Lady Harmon

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:20 am

Good to hear some gains there ! Thanks Lady C & Pk.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:20 am

UKPR's just full of gloating Tories. The opinion polls were miles out. Problem is, when the Tories have gerrymandered the seats, we won't need opinion polls. I hope those who couldn't be arsed to educate themselves about what the Tories are doing, and will do, enjoy the next series of X-Factor.

edited to make clearer.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:21 am

Spacedone wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:
Spacedone wrote:Morning all,

Fucking hell.
Yes indeed.

Lots of thinking for Labour to do, problem is they really need to create time and space to think.

On a very minor plus side, once Cameron gets over the huge ego trip of scraping a win, he has an absolute nightmare ahead of him.

How is he going to deliver all those promises? What is he going to do about Europe? How is he going to handle ongoing Tory civil war?
I'm not sure what Labour can do to be honest, it's the electorate who have turned insane and it them who are going to have to realise what they've just done. They've clearly stopped listening to Labour.

Some people just like punching themselves in the face and living in fear it seems.

We English clearly have never gotten beyond the cap doffing. We have been told that we are better off in "their" hands (Public School/Oxbrdidge/Titled/Landowning class) for more than 2000 years, and it seems there are plenty still believe it.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:21 am

Did we have Tory gain Lewes from Libs ?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:21 am

Many thanks to everyone on here and elsewhere who fought so hard to make this different.

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:21 am

Something is seriously awry with an electoral system that depends on the vagaries of ministers holding onto constituency seats. My preference has always been PR where parties have an executive committee charged with ministerial duties and separate representatives for constituency matters. This of course would have required a far more radical shift than the AV we were offered but having kept the status quo has likely ruined any such prospect.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:22 am

And especially Ed

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:23 am

Get in !

Peter Kyle has taken Hove from the Cons

Whohoooooo !

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:23 am

Yes indeed Tiny.

Am missing the Thanks button.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:23 am

Spacedone wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:
Spacedone wrote:Morning all,

Fucking hell.
Yes indeed.

Lots of thinking for Labour to do, problem is they really need to create time and space to think.

On a very minor plus side, once Cameron gets over the huge ego trip of scraping a win, he has an absolute nightmare ahead of him.

How is he going to deliver all those promises? What is he going to do about Europe? How is he going to handle ongoing Tory civil war?
I'm not sure what Labour can do to be honest, it's the electorate who have turned insane and it them who are going to have to realise what they've just done. They've clearly stopped listening to Labour.

Some people just like punching themselves in the face and living in fear it seems.

Big picture, the coalition government has taken a hammering, 50 odd seats down. The fact the Tories have managed to cling to power won't change that. People are going to get very angry at Cameron very quickly (I give it 6 months).

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:23 am

pk1 wrote:Get in !

Peter Kyle has taken Hove from the Cons

Whohoooooo !

Yay

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:25 am

Con hold Pudsey

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:27 am

Siavash Minoukadeh ‏@SMinoukadeh 5m5 minutes ago
Brighton Pavilion to be yet to be announced. We need a green MP now more than ever to fight against the vicious tories

Oh yes, and what exactly will one Green MP be able to do ?
Particularly when another Labour seat would help towards keeping the 'vicious Tories' out.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:28 am

Con hold Reading West

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:29 am

yahyah wrote:Siavash Minoukadeh ‏@SMinoukadeh 5m5 minutes ago
Brighton Pavilion to be yet to be announced. We need a green MP now more than ever to fight against the vicious tories

Oh yes, and what exactly will one Green MP be able to do ?
Particularly when another Labour seat would help towards keeping the 'vicious Tories' out.

People like that just love losing.

I don't think it matters who gets Brighton P as long as it isn't the Tories.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:30 am

How many Lib Dems are we at now?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:31 am

Where were all the police, firemen, doctors, nurses, disabled, those on minimum wage, the young etc, who've been hit so badly by the cuts? Because for bloody sure they didn't come out in droves to vote the Conservatives down.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:31 am

TechnicalEphemera wrote:How many Lib Dems are we at now?

8

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:31 am

3rd recount at Derby North (Chris Williamson)

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:33 am

TechnicalEphemera wrote:How many Lib Dems are we at now?

Enough to squeeze into a big taxi.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:33 am

pk1 wrote:So, if EdM resigns, who do you want to take over ?

Personally I'm not sure there is anybody in the Shadow Cab that I'd vote for.

I would vote for Dan Jarvis though.

We needed 30+ seats that went Tory. We didn't get them because of the leader and the political strategy adopted.

Charlie Whelan, and others, lost this in 2010 with their selfish naivety.

Umunna is the best bet, or possibly even Creasy (but I don't think her personal circumstances allow.

If it is Burnham, Labour has given up trying to win.

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:33 am

Well I think it time to enjoy the sunshine. I shall worry about the gathering storm clouds another day.

Post by **refitman** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:34 am

pk1 wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:How many Lib Dems are we at now?
8 (-46)

Added a bit.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:35 am

Caroline Lucas increases her majority to hold

Edit - she's really not called 'Croline'...

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:36 am

Brighton Pavilion has elected Caroline Lucas

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:38 am

279 to 216

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:38 am

SpinningHugo wrote:
pk1 wrote:So, if EdM resigns, who do you want to take over ?

Personally I'm not sure there is anybody in the Shadow Cab that I'd vote for.

I would vote for Dan Jarvis though.

We needed 30+ seats that went Tory. We didn't get them because of the leader and the political strategy adopted.

Charlie Whelan, and others, lost this in 2010 with their selfish naivety.

Umunna is the best bet, or possibly even Creasy (but I don't think her personal circumstances allow.

If it is Burnham, Labour has given up trying to win.

I think we lost because of the SNP factor. Economics nothing to do with it.

Umunna is useless, no charisma, no idea why you rate him.

Creasy maybe. Burnham might cut it not sure.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:42 am

When I think of the hours and hours the Labour party spent canvassing and all of the Conservatives that didn't even bother to show up.

If I hear anyone who didn't bother to vote, or voted Conservative bewailing their lot then tough shit. They'll get not an ounce of sympathy from me.
I'm afraid from now on it's going to become less and less like the England we knew.

I so wish Ed would stay on. It needs a clever statesman to fight for us. I joined because of Ed, because of his cleverness. Not sure I'd want to support anyone else at present.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:42 am

SpinningHugo wrote:
pk1 wrote:So, if EdM resigns, who do you want to take over ?

Personally I'm not sure there is anybody in the Shadow Cab that I'd vote for.

I would vote for Dan Jarvis though.

We needed 30+ seats that went Tory. We didn't get them because of the leader and the political strategy adopted.

Charlie Whelan, and others, lost this in 2010 with their selfish naivety.

Umunna is the best bet, or possibly even Creasy (but I don't think her personal circumstances allow.

If it is Burnham, Labour has given up trying to win.

Ridiculous! We have to analyse why the right won. It's complex but one factor is that the electorate aren't interested in politics. Another is that the media are owned by the right. Ummuna won't solve either of those problems. He just regurgitates soundbites.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:42 am

@J_Bloodworth: .@DPJHodges saw the future and therefore replaces Trotsky as the prophet.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:43 am

Madeleine Moon retains her Labour seat of Bridgend

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:44 am

ohsocynical wrote:When I think of the hours and hours the Labour party spent canvassing and all of the Conservatives that didn't even bother to show up.

If I hear anyone who didn't bother to vote, or voted Conservative bewailing their lot then tough shit. They'll get not an ounce of sympathy from me.
I'm afraid from now on it's going to become less and less like the England we knew.

I so wish Ed would stay on. It needs a clever statesman to fight for us. I joined because of Ed, because of his cleverness. Not sure I'd want to support anyone else at present.

Time to dig out my 'Don't blame me, I voted Labour', T-shirt.

Currently listening to Radio 3. Thanks to all on here for keeping me up to date.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:44 am

So sorry Ohso, Con hold Reading East
Mad Nad hangs onto her seat too

Lonewolfie · Post by **Lonewolfie** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:44 am

Moraftineve...no jokes about living in hope today, I'm afraid - 2020 seems like such a long way off

Any silver linings? Well, we don't know for definite that Clouncy will get a majority (yet)...(they need to win 2 out of 3 of the remaining declarations to get it) - and the mess he (and Gidiot et al) need to clear up now is their own...and they are still omnnishambolic frackwits without a clue, sucking on the putrid teat of Murkydochia.

...but, of course, now the MSM has decided on a 'stunning majority' for Clouncy, it'll be 'the British people back Clouncy so any carve up of the other 330 seats would have'.....you've guessed it....'no legitimacy'...

Thank you all for being here - it helps make terrible news seem a bit more bearable

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:45 am

Hopefully Cameron will just renege on the EU referendum now he doesn't need UKIP - but what about Scotland? Will losing the Scots become part of his forthcoming massive gerrymander?

What is the best plan now? Campaign for PR? Grassroots rebuliding of Labour? Campaign to implement Leveson? Bearing in mind Generation Vote and their single issue leanings how can we best adapt to win next time? (And by "we" I mean the decent majority - whoever they voted for this time).

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:46 am

RobertSnozers wrote:Is it too much to ask that we leave the 'what Labour did wrong' and 'who follows Ed' for another day?

I second that!

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:47 am

SpinningHugo wrote:
pk1 wrote:So, if EdM resigns, who do you want to take over ?

Personally I'm not sure there is anybody in the Shadow Cab that I'd vote for.

I would vote for Dan Jarvis though.

We needed 30+ seats that went Tory. We didn't get them because of the leader and the political strategy adopted.

Charlie Whelan, and others, lost this in 2010 with their selfish naivety.

Umunna is the best bet, or possibly even Creasy (but I don't think her personal circumstances allow.

If it is Burnham, Labour has given up trying to win.

I for one will give up my membership if they force Ed out. He was the voice of reason.
I'm devastated.
And - actually - we will be better off under the heel than many many others.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:47 am

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
I think we lost because of the SNP factor.

.

I think it is very important that this view doesn't take hold (LIvingstone peddling it now).

Add on every Scottish seat, and we still lose.

We needed a bigger tent. not an even smaller one than those who wanted a break from Blair voted for in 2010.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:47 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:Hopefully Cameron will just renege on the EU referendum now he doesn't need UKIP - but what about Scotland? Will losing the Scots become part of his forthcoming massive gerrymander?

What is the best plan now? Campaign for PR? Grassroots rebuliding of Labour? Campaign to implement Leveson? Bearing in mind Generation Vote and their single issue leanings how can we best adapt to win next time? (And by "we" I mean the decent majority - whoever they voted for this time).

Is there a decent majority though? If there were, wouldn't the Tories have done much worse? I think the majority are just disengaged.

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:48 am

Not sure I have ever felt more disgusted with, or alienated from, my own country.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:49 am

NonOxCol wrote:Not sure I have ever felt more disgusted with, or alienated from, my own country.

My thoughts exactly.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:49 am

frightful_oik wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
pk1 wrote:So, if EdM resigns, who do you want to take over ?

Personally I'm not sure there is anybody in the Shadow Cab that I'd vote for.

I would vote for Dan Jarvis though.

We needed 30+ seats that went Tory. We didn't get them because of the leader and the political strategy adopted.

Charlie Whelan, and others, lost this in 2010 with their selfish naivety.

Umunna is the best bet, or possibly even Creasy (but I don't think her personal circumstances allow.

If it is Burnham, Labour has given up trying to win.
Ridiculous! We have to analyse why the right won. It's complex but one factor is that the electorate aren't interested in politics. Another is that the media are owned by the right. Ummuna won't solve either of those problems. He just regurgitates soundbites.

And - tin foil or not - I truly believe this election has been fixed.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:50 am

LadyCentauria wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote:Is it too much to ask that we leave the 'what Labour did wrong' and 'who follows Ed' for another day?
I second that!

Yes you're right & I should never have asked the question but it was done in the best interests of the party because the last thing we need is a prolonged leadership contest

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:50 am

I've just examined my forefinger to see what went wrong with my rule of thumb test. Now all I have left is to raise my middle one.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:50 am

RobertSnozers wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:
NonOxCol wrote:Not sure I have ever felt more disgusted with, or alienated from, my own country.
My thoughts exactly.
Seconded. Or thirded. Whatever

Agree

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Fri 08 May, 2015 7:50 am

Sky projection:

Con 326
Lab 235
SNP 56
LD 8
UKIP 2