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ohsocynical wrote:Dennis Skinner is endorsing Corby !!!

Food for thought!
And a couple of other MPs have withdrawn their endorsements for Burnham so they can support Corbyn.
Stephen Bush ‏@stephenkb 26m26 minutes ago
Ronnie Campbell and Michael Meacher WITHDRAW their support for Andy Burnham and endorse Jeremy Corbyn: http://bit.ly/1R9mMiH" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Its just four weeks - four weeks! - ago from now that we were all nervously, but eagerly, waiting for 10 PM and the exit poll.

Encouraged by all those reports of huge turnouts, if nothing else......

Had a glance at Wintour's piece today - I could pick holes in it as many others could and in some cases have, but the thing that struck me was that Ed's team and party HQ seemed to have no idea what was coming and remained cautiously optimistic even with an hour or two of polling to go. Some have said elsewhere that they started to get "bad vibes" a few days out from the election (as in 1992) but the fact the final polls showed a slight move *to* Labour (unlike then) reassured them.

Worth remembering that even Crosby was "only" citing about 300 Tory seats on polling day - and that was widely considered (by some Tories, too) as wildly optimistic......

Still not totally sure what the hell happened :?:
Stuff like the following isn't exactly reassuring, which makes it harder to move on in some ways:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i- ... ry-5703584" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
'I know I voted for me': Angry socialist who got NO votes at General Election demands recount
It's basically very sloppy which makes me wonder how many other counts were equally sloppy. Mislaying all a candidates votes is a concern.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... litch.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The chaos in east London comes as fears of an alleged postal voting scam were raised in the key marginal seat of Milton Keynes today after the expected four ballot boxes of pre-cast votes turned into a staggering 18 BOXES.

The surprise number of ballot boxes, which are counted in advance of the main count, contained 4,600 voting papers, many more than the usual number of postal votes cast in the area.

There has been no official figures for postal votes issued and postal votes returned. Why?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ves-london" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Vehicle containing blank election ballot papers destined for polls in Eastbourne as well as Hastings and Rye has been stolen in London, say police
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ournemouth" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Dozens queue to complain in Hackney, wrong ballot papers issued in two wards of Bournemouth, and some expats say forms arrived too late
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26520836" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Mr Mawrey, a deputy High Court judge and election commissioner, said in one case last year he had come across 14 different ways that postal ballots could be manipulated.

"Postal voting on demand, however many safeguards you build into it, is wide open to fraud," he told Radio 4's Today.

"And it's open to fraud on a scale that will make election rigging a possibility and indeed in some areas a probability."
Of course, if all the above are too conspiracy-theory for you, there's always the much more likely rigging of the polls to make them appear as close as possible so those on the left, complacent they'd get an Ed Miliband led coalition whatever happened, didn't bother to turn out to support Labour, while those on the right, worried about the closeness of the polls, were encouraged out to vote Tory. The close polls almost certainly influenced Tories who had flirted with Ukip at any rate.

One way or another, analysis of exactly what happened on election night has been very thin on the ground, hasn't it? Quite apart from anything else, I've seen very little retrospective discussion of just how the SNP motivated tens of thousands of new voters to turn out and vote for them, an impressive trick that you would normally expect to occupy political pundits for days. The idea being bandied around was that they hammered Labour, but the transfer of votes wasn't quite an annihilation - without all those extra, virgin voters, it would have been considerably closer. There's a registration/political engagement story related to the referendum that is being ignored by the English press and I just can't fathom why, because from an objective, academic point of view it's fascinating.

I guess it's the swiftness with which the press put the election behind them which has surprised me most. It seemed to be over before I even got up at 6.00am on 8th May - move along, no more to see here, Miliband's gone, Clegg's gone, Farage's (not) gone, move along, it's all over, all hail the Tory majority, no looking behind you, no election stats to pore over, job done. It's a bit surreal somehow and I don't really know why.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Dennis Skinner is endorsing Corby !!!

Food for thought!
And a couple of other MPs have withdrawn their endorsements for Burnham so they can support Corbyn.
Stephen Bush ‏@stephenkb 26m26 minutes ago
Ronnie Campbell and Michael Meacher WITHDRAW their support for Andy Burnham and endorse Jeremy Corbyn: http://bit.ly/1R9mMiH" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I trust Dennis Skinner's judgement. There's no side to him. He's John Blunt as my dad used to say.
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http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/20322" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; What I would like to hear from Labour on welfare
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thatchersorphan wrote:http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/node/20322 What I would like to hear from Labour on welfare
I've bookmarked that one, it's very good.
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Woman with Parkinson's and brain tumour ruled fit to work and ordered to Jobcentre http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/wo ... ar_twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Battle of Buttockburn could be about to enter new phase
http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/ ... .127993097" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Either absolute rubbish, or scoop of the year. Probably the former, but here you go....

http://news.bfnn.co.uk/douglas-carswell ... democrats/
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Hobiejoe wrote:Either absolute rubbish, or scoop of the year. Probably the former, but here you go....

http://news.bfnn.co.uk/douglas-carswell ... democrats/
Having had a look at the home page of that site hobiejoe - absolute rubbish indeed. But clever as it could so easily be true ... nothing seems too unlikely in politics these days. But the 'human' wins Crufts dog show story put me straight, as it were.
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rebeccariots2 wrote:
Hobiejoe wrote:Either absolute rubbish, or scoop of the year. Probably the former, but here you go....

http://news.bfnn.co.uk/douglas-carswell ... democrats/
Having had a look at the home page of that site hobiejoe - absolute rubbish indeed. But clever as it could so easily be true ... nothing seems too unlikely in politics these days. But the 'human' wins Crufts dog show story put me straight, as it were.
Didn't spot that one, glanced at the headline and first paragraph whilst working. I had in mind that BFNN might be something to do with British Forces Network or somesuch.

Bit embarrassed now :oops:
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Hobiejoe wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Hobiejoe wrote:Either absolute rubbish, or scoop of the year. Probably the former, but here you go....

http://news.bfnn.co.uk/douglas-carswell ... democrats/
Having had a look at the home page of that site hobiejoe - absolute rubbish indeed. But clever as it could so easily be true ... nothing seems too unlikely in politics these days. But the 'human' wins Crufts dog show story put me straight, as it were.
Didn't spot that one, glanced at the headline and first paragraph whilst working. I had in mind that BFNN might be something to do with British Forces Network or somesuch.

Bit embarrassed now :oops:
Don't be. I've been caught out by that site, myself. Classic headline of the day (for me) is, Tories to Suspend Summer until 2016 Due to Austerity. All too believable!
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@Willow904 - Totally agree with you post above on the election.

Re Jeremy Corbin
Not for me
1) Press would crucify him
2) By the end of next parliament he'll be 77
3) I can't see him on the world stage dealing with the likes of Putin.
4) "Anti-austerity" is a catch fraise that means next to nothing and Sturgeon's already claimed it anyway.
But......
5) It would be good to have him in the line-up to make the others realise there is another story to be told (preferably Ed's....).
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Andrew Neil ‏@afneil 7m7 minutes ago
Syriza locked in series of acrimonious meetings in Athens but looks like clear majority to reject latest EU offer.
It's all on the brink again it seems. Seeing tweets on Paul Mason's thread about yet more elections ... Meanwhile Dave is tinkering on the edges trying to bargain away some of our rights as part of his 'negotiations' as the Eurozone countries are fighting this raging fire.

Mr Riots and I have just sat through a news item on the increase in numbers of migrants massing in Calais as they try to get to GB. There were 200 this time last year - now there are 3,000. And what has the UK done to help the French authorities out? They have funded a double razor wire fence to keep the migrants away from the lorries ... except the migrants camp is on the wrong side - or the right side depending on your point of view - of the fence. So the UK have offered to build another fence on the other side now.

That sort of sums up the state of the UK ... building fences.
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AngryAsWell wrote:@Willow904 - Totally agree with you post above on the election.

Re Jeremy Corbin
Not for me
1) Press would crucify him
2) By the end of next parliament he'll be 77
3) I can't see him on the world stage dealing with the likes of Putin.
4) "Anti-austerity" is a catch fraise that means next to nothing and Sturgeon's already claimed it anyway.
But......
5) It would be good to have him in the line-up to make the others realise there is another story to be told (preferably Ed's....).
71 - he was born in 1949.

Agree with your general sentiments, but I am coming to the view having him on the ballot could be no bad thing......
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Another for the list, Willow (although I think this is only for the local election - not sure)
Thirsk & Malton Ballot-Box Infractions

http://nyenquirer.uk/thirsk-malton-ball ... fractions/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:@Willow904 - Totally agree with you post above on the election.

Re Jeremy Corbin
Not for me
1) Press would crucify him
2) By the end of next parliament he'll be 77
3) I can't see him on the world stage dealing with the likes of Putin.
4) "Anti-austerity" is a catch fraise that means next to nothing and Sturgeon's already claimed it anyway.
But......
5) It would be good to have him in the line-up to make the others realise there is another story to be told (preferably Ed's....).
71 - he was born in 1949.

Agree with your general sentiments, but I am coming to the view having him on the ballot could be no bad thing......
71 at start yes, but by the end of the 2020 parliament he be 76/7 (never good at maths - lol) and yes, maybe I am being ageist, but there you go ....... :)
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Ah, actually misread you there - touche :oops:
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:Ah, actually misread you there - touche :oops:
Easy done - MrAAW has a hard time understanding me in verbal communication as well - :rofl:
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That woman from the CPS on Question Time made me yell "Oh, fuck off! at the screen twice in about 10 seconds.

We had the "no money left" and Andy Burnham "denying that an inquiry was needed into Mid Staffs when it was killing people".

Liars like that are pure scum.
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Some speeches from the Lords in the Queen's Speech Debate, over the past few days, which have struck me as fine ones but not the only fine ones.

Baroness Hollis of Heigham, Labour, on Housing:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 0223000398

The Earl of Listowel, Cross Bench, on Adoption and touching on Housing:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 0331000204

Lord Falconer of Thoroton, Labour, on Human Rights:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 6015000335

Baroness Campbell of Surbiton, Cross Bench, on Disability with relation to Health and to 'Welfare':
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 0326000388

Baroness Morris of Yardley, Labour, on Education and Children – hers is the first of about five, in quick succession, on Education, Disability/Health/'Welfare' by various members:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 0326000388

Then two, again in quick succession, from Thursday's uncorrected record so you'll need to either scroll or search-within-page (⌘F on Macs) to find, firstly,
Lord Low of Dalston, Cross Bench, on Austerity and Investment (at 3.06 pm) and, secondly,
Lord Horam, Conservative, on the Economy and Housing (at 3.15 pm.)
http://www.parliament.uk/business/publi ... known/153/

I shall quote only from the last, who was far from the only Conservative member of the Lords to strongly criticise this Government's Housing policy:
Now the Government want to go back to selling more social housing—this time, that owned by housing associations. This is a mistake. It does nothing to increase supply: indeed, it will reduce it. I therefore endorse the remarks made on Tuesday by the noble Lords, Lord Kerslake and Lord Best, in this Queen’s Speech debate. Since the Government appear determined to bring forward a Bill to transfer housing in this way, I beg them to subject it to pre-legislative scrutiny so that expert opinion on housing can be fully heard by both Houses of Parliament. Then we will see exactly what people who really know about the housing situation think.
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RogerOThornhill wrote:That woman from the CPS on Question Time made me yell "Oh, fuck off! at the screen twice in about 10 seconds.

We had the "no money left" and Andy Burnham "denying that an inquiry was needed into Mid Staffs when it was killing people".

Liars like that are pure scum.
Me too! Centre for Policy Studies, isn't she? Ah, founded by Sir Keith Joseph and Margaret Thatcher in 1974 – I knew they were right-wing but didn't remember who gave them birth. Eurgh!

I didn't feel Mary Creagh was very successful in putting herself, or her views, forward; something she'll need to get much better at for the leadership contest.
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Also, @Roger, this grabbed my ears whilst listening to the debate on the Education part of the Queen's Speech in the HoL:
It is an important part of the Government’s strategy that, as with schools, further education providers should become as autonomous as possible, with their priorities set by the professionals on the spot to suit local employment needs, and not by government. This is the only way that we shall drive up standards in the sector. To that end, I was requested last year to start the process of founding a new royal chartered body, the Institution for Further Education. I pay tribute to officials from the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills, who have been extraordinarily helpful to me in this quest. I am delighted to say that we now have a council drawn from among the best practitioners in the sector, an office in London and a chief executive appointed. This month, I am told, the Privy Council will consider our petition for a charter; it would be wrong for me to attempt to pre-empt its decision, but we are very hopeful that we shall be able to go ahead shortly.
(Lord Lingfield)
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 0331000201

Do we need a 'royal chartered body' for FE? How do we prevent this Government from deciding that it'll make its cost savings by reducing funding to FE colleges which are not a part of this new institute?

And should FE only be about teaching subjects that appeal to local employers rather than re-finding for the colleges a place at the heart of their communities? What is wrong with offering people a place for 'lifelong learning' and where a street-sweeper can learn to draw, a grandfather to crochet; where arts and crafts and music and dance (from hobby to BTEC) sit alongside metalwork and carpentry and mechanics (hobby to C&Gs and O/HNDs) and French (beginners to business-level or GSCE and A levels) sits alongside programming languages, and popular physics, and childcare, and cookery, and sports, and 3-D printing, and 'maker-spaces'? Employers organisations often say that they want well-rounded individuals, that 'creativity' is essential, and that employees should be adaptable. Well, how better for people of all ages to gain those qualities, once beyond school age, than through a local college which offers a broad range of topics and subjects from general interest through to academic, vocational, and technical courses and qualifications?
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