Wednesday 1st July 2015

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 1:32 pm

Lots of concern trolls on the story about Lucas' NHS Bill.

Why's Labour not supporting it?

Just a guess, but they ran the NHS till 2010. So given that Lucas seems to have in mind the structure from 1990, they probably don't agree.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 1:43 pm

Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 8m8 minutes ago
Ah, seems, IDS card was indeed suspended but now reinstated. Two separate IPSA issues

Smears of a clown.

(Sorry I obviously need some lunch. Sitting here waiting for the vet to ring and tell us the dog is out of his op ...).

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 1:45 pm

Just had a thunderstorm in Nottingham. Not very impressive but every little helps in this heat.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 1:45 pm

Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 4m4 minutes ago
Great line from @DouglasCarswell: "I had a [Parliamentary] rebellion and I put it down brutally and savagely"
http://huff.to/1NvtDAK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 1:46 pm

frightful_oik wrote:Just had a thunderstorm in Nottingham. Not very impressive but every little helps in this heat.

We could do with one of those. Just a few blips of big raindrops and that was it. No sun here today though.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 1:52 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:Just had a thunderstorm in Nottingham. Not very impressive but every little helps in this heat.
We could do with one of those. Just a few blips of big raindrops and that was it. No sun here today though.

Yes - it's very close and threatening here but, so far, no action. I've got a splitting "thunder" headache.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:12 pm

PorFavor wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:Just had a thunderstorm in Nottingham. Not very impressive but every little helps in this heat.
We could do with one of those. Just a few blips of big raindrops and that was it. No sun here today though.
Yes - it's very close and threatening here but, so far, no action. I've got a splitting "thunder" headache.

I share your pain PF as I've got one as well. Want to try an Ibuprofen?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:13 pm

Andy Burnham retweeted
Alastair McLellan ‏@HSJEditor 12m12 minutes ago
'One of the worst own [NHS] goals I have ever seen' http://www.hsj.co.uk/news/exclusive-age ... ZPkEvlViko" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

That's about this ... only title available unless you are a subscriber to HSJ.
Exclusive: Agency spending clampdown team will be made up of temporary staff

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:17 pm

Duncan Smith says targets in Child Poverty Act will be scrapped
Iain Duncan Smith is also scrapping the targets in the Child Poverty Act.

He said:
I am announcing that we will bring forward legislation to remove the existing measures and targets in the Child Poverty Act, as well as the other duties and provisions.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blo ... df9cb7bcd1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:20 pm

"The government will introduce a new and strengthened approach to tracking the life chances of Britain’s most disadvantaged children, Secretary of State for Work and Pensions, Iain Duncan Smith, announced today (1 July 2015)."

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/gove ... ty-measure" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Less than a quarter of an hour ago.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:25 pm

PorFavor wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:Just had a thunderstorm in Nottingham. Not very impressive but every little helps in this heat.
We could do with one of those. Just a few blips of big raindrops and that was it. No sun here today though.
Yes - it's very close and threatening here but, so far, no action. I've got a splitting "thunder" headache.

You & I both.

An aside, I'm sorry, PorFavor, I didn't understand the reference to a Reading move you're making on my recommendation.
I put into a search engine & everything.
Please let me know if I'm doing something or have done something you'd like me to reconsider.
No fears, no fears here - please tell me anything - I ask your pardon if I've given offence.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:25 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Andy Burnham retweeted
Alastair McLellan ‏@HSJEditor 12m12 minutes ago
'One of the worst own [NHS] goals I have ever seen' http://www.hsj.co.uk/news/exclusive-age ... ZPkEvlViko" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
That's about this ... only title available unless you are a subscriber to HSJ.
Exclusive: Agency spending clampdown team will be made up of temporary staff

heh.

If only Rusty were still around - he could give us the full...well, partial probably...article without disclosing its source or why he has access to a sub.

He's on Twitter where his only mates seems to be fellow loons. When they care about what he tweets of course, which sadly isn't that often...

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:29 pm

citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote: We could do with one of those. Just a few blips of big raindrops and that was it. No sun here today though.
Yes - it's very close and threatening here but, so far, no action. I've got a splitting "thunder" headache.
You & I both.

An aside, I'm sorry, PorFavor, I didn't understand the reference to a Reading move you're making on my recommendation.
I put into a search engine & everything.
Please let me know if I'm doing something or have done something you'd like me to reconsider.
No fears, no fears here - please tell me anything - I ask your pardon if I've given offence.

Just a weak joke predicated upon your tag-line "Reading is for lefties". Not understanding it is probably a good sign - you should be relieved!

Edited to add

I think it should be "leftists" rather than "lefties" - apologies for the misquote.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:38 pm

PorFavor wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote: Yes - it's very close and threatening here but, so far, no action. I've got a splitting "thunder" headache.
You & I both.

An aside, I'm sorry, PorFavor, I didn't understand the reference to a Reading move you're making on my recommendation.
I put into a search engine & everything.
Please let me know if I'm doing something or have done something you'd like me to reconsider.
No fears, no fears here - please tell me anything - I ask your pardon if I've given offence.
Just a weak joke predicated upon your tag-line "Reading is for lefties". Not understanding it is probably a good sign - you should be relieved!

Not a weak joke at all! I'm relieved I've caused no offence. HarryTheHorse is a regular commentator over on the G - wonderful work. The quote tickled me no end. It's not as funny here, I think.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:39 pm

Yes citizen - be thankful you are not yet a punning saddo like me and PF ... (sorry PF - count yourself out of that one if you like).

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:40 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Yes citizen - be thankful you are not yet a punning saddo like me and PF ... (sorry PF - count yourself out of that one if you like).

No - I'm in!

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:40 pm

I imagine the children of the Birkenhead North End are celebrating Frank Field endorsing IDS.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:41 pm

Andrew Woodcock retweeted
Press Association ‏@PA 43m43 minutes ago
#Breaking Government to scrap the child poverty measures and targets contained in the 2010 Child Poverty Act, Iain Duncan Smith tells MPs

Michael Savage ‏@michaelsavage 26m26 minutes ago
DWP press release arrives: "Government to strengthen child poverty measure".

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:43 pm

Child Poverty Act 2010: a short guide
Standard Note: SN/SP/5585
Last updated: 4 July 2014

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ ... ry/SN05585" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I've downloaded a copy of the above & posted the Parliament website address to get the document here.
Note it's only been a year since it's been updated - does this matter? I don't know but I wanted a before & after.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:45 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
frightful_oik wrote:Just had a thunderstorm in Nottingham. Not very impressive but every little helps in this heat.
We could do with one of those. Just a few blips of big raindrops and that was it. No sun here today though.

We had a short, surprise rainstorm around 11pm yesterday. Brilliant sunshine today with strong winds. Clouded over around noon, then sunshine and now more clouds gathering.

I had to get some essential supplies for Mr Ohso. It's very, very hot out there. And not much cooler indoors although we have a sturdy fan working overtime.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:45 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Andy Burnham retweeted
Alastair McLellan ‏@HSJEditor 12m12 minutes ago
'One of the worst own [NHS] goals I have ever seen' http://www.hsj.co.uk/news/exclusive-age ... ZPkEvlViko" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
That's about this ... only title available unless you are a subscriber to HSJ.
Exclusive: Agency spending clampdown team will be made up of temporary staff
heh.

If only Rusty were still around - he could give us the full...well, partial probably...article without disclosing its source or why he has access to a sub.

He's on Twitter where his only mates seems to be fellow loons. When they care about what he tweets of course, which sadly isn't that often...

Probably best not to invoke 'if only Rusty were still around' ... even in jest.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:50 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote: These stories pop up every few years, and look suspiciously like older men wank fantasies. "Students stripping" is another.
Only this time its a bit more organised...

http://sugardaddie.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.seekingarrangement.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
And programme I heard was presented, researched and, I believe, produced by women. 'Sordid' best sums up the impression I was left with.

I heard the same program (and also I think newsnight? if not, C4 news perhaps carried it) I thought the mother interviewed, who approved in a rather admiring way, of what her daughter was doing, was appalling.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:52 pm

I noticed that when the Child Poverty Bill was going through the HoC on its second reading, IDS couldn't even be bothered to speak up about it...

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 7206000297" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:53 pm

I've just put an inch of cold water in a bowl and am dunking my feet in it. Cold towel on the back of my neck if I don't cool down soon.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:54 pm

From politics live G blog ...

He said new measures would also be developed relating to “the root causes of poverty”.
Alongside the statutory measures, we will develop a range of other indicators to measure the progress against the root causes of poverty.

We know that in households with unstable relationships, where debt and addiction destabilise families, where parents lack employment skills, that these children don’t have the same chances in life as other children.

They cannot break out of the cycle of disadvantage.

We are currently developing these measures, including family breakdown, problem debt, and drug and alcohol dependency.

We will report each year on these life chances measures as well.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 2:55 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Lots of concern trolls on the story about Lucas' NHS Bill.

Why's Labour not supporting it?

Just a guess, but they ran the NHS till 2010. So given that Lucas seems to have in mind the structure from 1990, they probably don't agree.

Not read anything about Lucas NHS Bill - do you have a link ?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 3:30 pm

Ed's tweeting in full swing about child poverty

https://twitter.com/Ed_Miliband" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 3:33 pm

Given most of those indicators are more prelavent among the non poor(by income)are the better off now poor and the poor now not.Confused I am.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 3:42 pm

Greek Bailout Fund now at 920,363EUR - @indiegogo http://igg.me/p/1324990/twtr" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Campaign only started yesterday and page was down last night for hours as well.

Sometimes faith in people is a little resorted - or at least sees a little light

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 3:49 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Lots of concern trolls on the story about Lucas' NHS Bill.

Why's Labour not supporting it?

Just a guess, but they ran the NHS till 2010. So given that Lucas seems to have in mind the structure from 1990, they probably don't agree.
Not read anything about Lucas NHS Bill - do you have a link ?

Just saw Guardian article.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015 ... ement-bill" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Abolishing NHS trusts, which came in, 1990. Not sure it's as easy as she makes out.

But doubtless all that's needed is to be "radical".

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 3:53 pm

We've got rain now.

And they're not letting the dog come home until tomorrow.

I feel as though I've done nothing today. Not quite true but that's how it feels.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 3:54 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Greek Bailout Fund now at 920,363EUR - @indiegogo http://igg.me/p/1324990/twtr" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Campaign only started yesterday and page was down last night for hours as well.

Sometimes faith in people is a little resorted - or at least sees a little light

I tried to access the page to donate earlier and couldn't get on it. Mr Riots has given a small donation. He is Greek at heart. He would have us all moved over there in a flash if he could.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 3:56 pm

John Swinney was asked to donate to the bailout but he said he didn't want to get the Troika off the hook.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 4:01 pm

I'm having trouble with my Internet access, everyone.
I'm not ignoring anyone.
Thank you while I deal with my technical difficulties.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 4:03 pm

€932,832EUR
raised by 54,535 people in 3 days
0% funded

Great fundraising achievement, but that last number puts it in perspective.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 4:07 pm

Well, yeah - its just a *tad* ambitious.......

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 4:24 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
€932,832EUR
raised by 54,535 people in 3 days
0% funded
Great fundraising achievement, but that last number puts it in perspective.

True and I don't expect they will make it, but (for me) it proves there are still people out there who actually care about others wellbeing

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 4:27 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Well, yeah - its just a *tad* ambitious.......

Well yeah it is but there are 56,349 Funders who were willing to give it a go - which makes me happy

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 4:29 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:We've got rain now.

And they're not letting the dog come home until tomorrow.

I feel as though I've done nothing today. Not quite true but that's how it feels.

Sad the dog can't come home yet, but how did the op go? It the vet hopeful it's a success?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 4:30 pm

Christopher Hope ‏@christopherhope 2m2 minutes ago
Oh. Heathrow-critical ministers told to follow the Prime Minister's example and not comment on the Howard Davies report for several months.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 5:02 pm

CPAG response to the changes to the poverty measure.
http://cpag.org.uk/content/government-t ... r-children" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 6:14 pm

Goodnight, everyone.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 6:42 pm

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

Goodnight, PorFavor

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 6:43 pm

We think the heat is causing some havoc resulting in sporadic Internet availability.
Thank you for holding.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 7:03 pm

Remember the good old days when a heatwave meant your TV reception went all fuzzy?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 7:14 pm

Paddy Power paid out already on a Yes vote in Greece.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 7:53 pm

Oh look, guess who's back in town...

Rachel Wolf to Number 10

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehous ... number-10/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How to make sure the Gove legacy doesn't get watered down...employ his ex-adviser and founder of the New Schools Network.

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 8:14 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Remember the good old days when a heatwave meant your TV reception went all fuzzy?

Lance Corporal Hobiejoe of Her Majesty's 4th Lightly Pedantic Dragoons writes thusly:

"As far as I can remember, it was in fact high atmospheric pressure that caused the problem, although, of course, in summer the same conditions would often also lead to high temperatures, thus leading to a most understandable conflation of the two effects.

Trouble was, it also meant that the troops stationed along the south coast - damned fine chaps, all of them, even the mercenaries and psychopaths - could pick up damned Frenchy revolutionary propaganda on their radiograms. No end of ditties bigging up bloody Napoleon. And don't even arsk about the telly - there we were in the mess tent, gathered around the set and every manjack of us agog to see how Generalfeldmarschall Blucher's sauerkraut went down on "Kommen Dine Mit Me" on the Austro-Hungarian Broadcasting Körperschaft" and there it was, gone. Replaced by absolute drivel. Although there was that one show, presented by an orange Italian chap, seemed to be a combination of filthy propaganda and, errrm filth. The lower orders liked it, as did young Cameron. By the way, must find out how the chap got his commission. Don't recall him earning it the usual way.

Hope this helps, but do bear in mind that the Lance Corporal is not the best witness when it comes to chronology.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 9:15 pm

citizenJA wrote:P.S.
My husband is walking to the GP as I type
Cough won't go away

Sorry to hear that you and your husband are suffering from this hot weather, air pollution, high pollen levels, and then power-tools on top of it all. Hope that the doc was able to give him some treatment that will work. (Am reading from the beginning of page one so please forgive me if you've already posted an update to this!)

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Wed 01 Jul, 2015 9:15 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:We've got rain now.

And they're not letting the dog come home until tomorrow.

I feel as though I've done nothing today. Not quite true but that's how it feels.
Sad the dog can't come home yet, but how did the op go? It the vet hopeful it's a success?

They said it went fine - but it is quite a big deal op. We're hoping he's pretty knocked out tonight - he's never been away from home / us before. He tends to whimper when he's left alone ...