Sat 26 & Sun 27 Sept 2015 - Start of Labour Conference

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 8:16 am

Morning.

In a sign of the new Labour leadership’s determination to restore the party’s credibility on the economy, McDonnell has told the Guardian that the party will manage the economy carefully.

“We accept we are going to have to live within our means and we always will do – full stop,” the shadow chancellor said ahead of the Labour conference, which opens in Brighton on Sunday. He added: “We are not deficit deniers.”

To the possible surprise of some on the left, McDonnell will announce that Labour MPs will be expected later this autumn to vote for the chancellor’s fiscal charter unveiled in the budget in July.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -our-means" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 8:33 am

Did anyone see the red supermoon ?

I woke too late.
At 5.30 there was a beautiful dark sky full of stars, free of light pollution to show it at its best, but no moon. Must have been setting behind the hills. First serious ground frost too.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 8:38 am

& Welsh First Minister Carwyn Jones has more than a sound bite reported here:

Carwyn Jones says Welsh Labour can honour Keir Hardie's legacy by winning power as he calls for unity ahead of conference
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... r-10134351" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 8:59 am

Oops, Radio 4 has just explained why I didn't see the supermoon.
It's not happening until Monday morning !

Have got the tea and coffee on. and morning goods warming for consumption.

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 9:08 am

yahyah wrote:Oops, Radio 4 has just explained why I didn't see the supermoon.
It's not happening until Monday morning !

Have got the tea and coffee on. and morning goods warming for consumption.

I daresay it was all Jeremy Corbyn's fault...

Morning all. Bit parky out i'n'tit?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 9:40 am

Morning.

Cathy Jamieson retweeted
Malcolm Chisholm Msp ‏@MalcolmChishol1 20m20 minutes ago
Keir Hardie died 100 years ago today."Socialism with its larger hope for humanity,its triumph of peace over war,must prevail".#keirhardie100

I was wondering why I was seeing so many #keirdhardie100.

Yes, oiky, very very parky this am. And I have a bit of gardener's back from pulling out / digging up young ash and sycamore at a client's yesterday. Think the only easing I will get for it is by getting moving again today - sunshine and movement.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 10:03 am

Paul Lewis ‏@paullewismoney 4h4 hours ago
Minister says there's no way she can help 500,000 women whose state pension age was deferred twice http://goo.gl/l2E0sI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; #WASPI

The Minister in question is Ros Altmann - the one who couldn't make up her mind which party she wanted to belong to (get a peerage from) so she joined up to three of them.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 10:06 am

Paul Waugh retweeted
HuffPostUK Politics ‏@HuffPostUKPol 35m35 minutes ago
David Miliband is the preferred candidate to replace Jeremy Corbyn among Labour voters http://huff.to/1MOBVqv" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Survation poll alert.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 10:10 am

Good morning everyone

David Miliband....get a grip!

As yesterday had a long debate about the spelling of 'sulfur' I, as a chemist, was very pleased to see such passion stirred about my subject

For those who are interested I have posted a link to the most wonderful blog that tries to bring chemistry to our daily life.....

http://www.compoundchem.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Enjoy.....

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 10:11 am

Beth Rigby ‏@BethRigby 4m4 minutes ago
Beth Rigby retweeted Andrew Pierce
Although primary aim is not abt Labour. Pitch-rolling on this well ahead of #corbyn & facing up 2 30 tory rebels

Andrew Pierce
‏@toryboypierce
David Cameron force vote on Syria to show divisions in Labour Party. Is it right to play politics with war @LBC breakfast

Lonewolfie · Post by **Lonewolfie** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 10:13 am

yahyah wrote:Did anyone see the red supermoon ?

I woke too late.
At 5.30 there was a beautiful dark sky full of stars, free of light pollution to show it at its best, but no moon. Must have been setting behind the hills. First serious ground frost too.

Morftereves....

...adjusts and settles (very battered) tinfoil hat....

In 'Conspiracy World' there's lots of chat about this event being extremely significant for the BilderbergIlluminatiZionistFreemasondevilworshippers - the 'apocolypse' no less - a worldwide financial crash (the US National Guard apparently have been training in 'crowd control' techniques in the south of New Mexico following the closure of the ATMs), zones of perpetual warfare creating mass population displacement, combined with political unrest at 'home' leading to the introduction of martial law.

As you know, I do not believe(TM) conspiracy theories, but never dismiss out of hand just because they seem far fetched (e.g. One of the Pig Molesters antecedents has 12(?) police forces investigated allegations of an unmentionable nature...who would have believed(TM) it even 3 months ago?). Everything does seem to be set for a 'great event' of some kind - the British parliament reeling from allegations of bestio-necrophilia against the 'top' man, BoE 'Bilderberger' Carney issuing a warning against the 'Right To Buy' policy of 'Bilderberger' Gidiot, a 'respected' car manufacturer suddenly shines a light on the real activities of corporations under the guise of 'commercial in confidence' (Virgin/Serco have 'owned' various Vulnerable Childrens Services across Britain for a few years now, with no accountability necessary), HSBC may or may not be continuing with these activities...

Recent reporting on illegal tax evasion by the world’s second largest bank, HSBC, opens a window onto the pivotal role of Western banks in facilitating organised crime, drug-trafficking and Islamist terrorism.

https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence ... 5ed9ef5316

In a year-long investigation, the Subcommittee found that HSBC violated several rules, exposing the U.S. financial system to “a wide array of money laundering, drug trafficking, and terrorist financing.” According to the report, HSBC’s Mexican affiliate channeled $7 billion into the U.S. between 2007 and 2008 which possibly included “proceeds from illegal drug sales in the United States.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/afontevecch ... port-says/

...and, anyway, isn't a conspiracy theory just a theory about there having been a 'conspiracy'...

a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.
"a conspiracy to destroy the government"
synonyms: plot, scheme, stratagem, plan, machination, cabal; More
deception, ploy, trick, ruse, dodge, subterfuge, sharp practice;
informalframe-up, fit-up, racket, put-up job;
rarecomplot, covin
"the company was involved in a conspiracy with bookmakers to manipulate starting prices"

the action of plotting or conspiring.
"they were cleared of conspiracy to pervert the course of justice"
synonyms: plotting, collusion, intrigue, connivance, machination, collaboration; treason

(To be clear - I think that even if the theory is 'true', the modern world with its' social media and t'interweb makes it impossible for it to come to pass)

ttfn

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 10:13 am

howsillyofme1 wrote:Good morning everyone

David Miliband....get a grip!

As yesterday had a long debate about the spelling of 'sulfur' I, as a chemist, was very pleased to see such passion stirred about my subject

For those who are interested I have posted a link to the most wonderful blog that tries to bring chemistry to our daily life.....

http://www.compoundchem.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Enjoy.....

I obviously don't know what the questions were that Survation put to 'Labour voters' - but might hazard a guess that if they include his name in a short list there would be quite a lot of people who might opt for him on almost recognition stakes alone ... they may not even get that he's not actually an MP anymore. Probably a daft premise. But probably no more daft than him being the next Labour leader.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 10:16 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Beth Rigby ‏@BethRigby 4m4 minutes ago
Beth Rigby retweeted Andrew Pierce
Although primary aim is not abt Labour. Pitch-rolling on this well ahead of #corbyn & facing up 2 30 tory rebels

Andrew Pierce
‏@toryboypierce
David Cameron force vote on Syria to show divisions in Labour Party. Is it right to play politics with war @LBC breakfast

I think any Labour MPs who vote for a misguided, poorly thought out and ultimately counter-productive new meddling attack in the Middle East need to be aware that it will move them further away from the members of the party.

This neoliberal wing on the Labour Party is the seed for the destruction of the movement and the sooner it realises this the better

It is not for the Opposition to support a Government in the case of a bad defined military intervention - and I can guarantee if the people involved are Cameron, Hammond and Fallon it will be just that

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 10:20 am

howsillyofme1 wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Beth Rigby ‏@BethRigby 4m4 minutes ago
Beth Rigby retweeted Andrew Pierce
Although primary aim is not abt Labour. Pitch-rolling on this well ahead of #corbyn & facing up 2 30 tory rebels

Andrew Pierce
‏@toryboypierce
David Cameron force vote on Syria to show divisions in Labour Party. Is it right to play politics with war @LBC breakfast

I think any Labour MPs who vote for a misguided, poorly thought out and ultimately counter-productive new meddling attack in the Middle East need to be aware that it will move them further away from the members of the party.

This neoliberal wing on the Labour Party is the seed for the destruction of the movement and the sooner it realises this the better

It is not for the Opposition to support a Government in the case of a bad defined military intervention - and I can guarantee if the people involved are Cameron, Hammond and Fallon it will be just that

If Cameron has 30 rebels of his own to deal with ... how Labour MPs vote will indeed be pivotal. I've seen it reported that Corbyn has said it will be a free vote on Syria intervention. Bit of a nail biter ahead methinks.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 10:34 am

That is quite possibly a smart move by Jez - and apparently he is saying it will be true for votes on military action generally (as they are "conscience issues" in his view)

If nothing else, it will put pressure on Cameron to do the same. Which he won't like.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 10:57 am

yahyah wrote:Oops, Radio 4 has just explained why I didn't see the supermoon.
It's not happening until Monday morning !

Have got the tea and coffee on. and morning goods warming for consumption.

Thank you for supplying the phrase "morning goods". I've been w\racking my brains of late trying to think of it. The closest I could get was "breakfast goods" - and I knew that wasn't right. You've now put me out of my misery.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 11:29 am

Re David Miliband -

Several people (not particularly politically savvy - so they're probably "average" voters) I've spoken to post General Election think that Ed Miliband has "gone off in a huff to America" after losing. I've pointed out their mix-up of the brothers - but it makes me wonder how many people really know that much about David Miliband, other than the hype that surrounds him. In other words, they're a bit gullible and susceptible to being misled. Time for a bit of political education?

Edited
To remove a spare "

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 11:36 am

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... na-cartoon (link to the Martin Rowson cartoon - sorry if it's a repeat)

The "title" is, I think, brilliant.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 12:09 pm

PorFavor wrote:Re David Miliband -

Several people (not particularly politically savvy - so they're probably "average" voters) I've spoken to post General Election think that Ed Miliband has "gone off in a huff to America" after losing. I've pointed out their mix-up of the brothers - but it makes me wonder how many people really know that much about David Miliband, other than the hype that surrounds him. In other words, they're a bit gullible and susceptible to being misled. Time for a bit of political education?

Most certainly

What was their reaction when you corrected them btw?

These types will be the ones who unthinkingly buy into the "national economies should be run in the same way as households" meme - maybe the thing that does more than anything else to keep Tory ideas relatively popular. The sight of Varoufakis demolishing it in less than a minute on QT the other night (I didn't see it at the time, but have now) was one of the most truly joyous moments of recent years. We need more of that from now until 2020, whoever the Labour leader is

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 12:17 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Re David Miliband -

Several people (not particularly politically savvy - so they're probably "average" voters) I've spoken to post General Election think that Ed Miliband has "gone off in a huff to America" after losing. I've pointed out their mix-up of the brothers - but it makes me wonder how many people really know that much about David Miliband, other than the hype that surrounds him. In other words, they're a bit gullible and susceptible to being misled. Time for a bit of political education?
Most certainly

What was their reaction when you corrected them btw?

These types will be the ones who unthinkingly buy into the "national economies should be run in the same way as households" meme - maybe the thing that does more than anything else to keep Tory ideas relatively popular. The sight of Varoufakis demolishing it in less than a minute on QT the other night (I didn't see it at the time, but have now) was one of the most truly joyous moments of recent years. We need more of that from now until 2020, whoever the Labour leader is

Their reaction was slightly abashed and a bit apologetic for having misjudged him. Sort of, "Oh, poor bloke. Didn't realise. And there's me been thinking . . . . ".

It's bloody irritating.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 12:52 pm

yahyah wrote: At 5.30 there was a beautiful dark sky full of stars, free of light pollution to show it at its best, but no moon. Must have been setting behind the hills. First serious ground frost too.

(my edit)

I'm moving to Wales.
Good-afternoon, everyone.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 12:55 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Re David Miliband -

Several people (not particularly politically savvy - so they're probably "average" voters) I've spoken to post General Election think that Ed Miliband has "gone off in a huff to America" after losing. I've pointed out their mix-up of the brothers - but it makes me wonder how many people really know that much about David Miliband, other than the hype that surrounds him. In other words, they're a bit gullible and susceptible to being misled. Time for a bit of political education?
Most certainly

What was their reaction when you corrected them btw?

These types will be the ones who unthinkingly buy into the "national economies should be run in the same way as households" meme - maybe the thing that does more than anything else to keep Tory ideas relatively popular. The sight of Varoufakis demolishing it in less than a minute on QT the other night (I didn't see it at the time, but have now) was one of the most truly joyous moments of recent years. We need more of that from now until 2020, whoever the Labour leader is

This clip?
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citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 12:55 pm

PorFavor wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Re David Miliband -

Several people (not particularly politically savvy - so they're probably "average" voters) I've spoken to post General Election think that Ed Miliband has "gone off in a huff to America" after losing. I've pointed out their mix-up of the brothers - but it makes me wonder how many people really know that much about David Miliband, other than the hype that surrounds him. In other words, they're a bit gullible and susceptible to being misled. Time for a bit of political education?
Most certainly

What was their reaction when you corrected them btw?

These types will be the ones who unthinkingly buy into the "national economies should be run in the same way as households" meme - maybe the thing that does more than anything else to keep Tory ideas relatively popular. The sight of Varoufakis demolishing it in less than a minute on QT the other night (I didn't see it at the time, but have now) was one of the most truly joyous moments of recent years. We need more of that from now until 2020, whoever the Labour leader is
Their reaction was slightly abashed and a bit apologetic for having misjudged him. Sort of, "Oh, poor bloke. Didn't realise. And there's me been thinking . . . . ".

It's bloody irritating.

It's more than irritating, it's like being hit with a wall of impossible.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 12:57 pm

Good morfternoon!

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:00 pm

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon!

And hope it's a good one for you all.

Summer has finally arrived here.
Warm, bright and dry. Can't quite believe it, the weather's been so awful for months.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:02 pm

The Guardian have been low profile on political child abuse stories, so surprised they've front page splashed the ex Lib Dem MP story.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:03 pm

yahyah wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon!
And hope it's a good one for you all.

Summer has finally arrived here.
Warm, bright and dry. Can't quite believe it, the weather's been so awful for months.

Rather parky, sunny and dry here. Still, two out of three is better than we've been getting for too long.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:06 pm

yahyah wrote:The Guardian have been low profile on political child abuse stories, so surprised they've front page splashed the ex Lib Dem MP story.

Where did you get the info they are a LibDem? No mention of that in the Graun story AFAICS.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:09 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:Good morning everyone

David Miliband....get a grip!

As yesterday had a long debate about the spelling of 'sulfur' I, as a chemist, was very pleased to see such passion stirred about my subject

For those who are interested I have posted a link to the most wonderful blog that tries to bring chemistry to our daily life.....

http://www.compoundchem.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Enjoy.....
I obviously don't know what the questions were that Survation put to 'Labour voters' - but might hazard a guess that if they include his name in a short list there would be quite a lot of people who might opt for him on almost recognition stakes alone ... they may not even get that he's not actually an MP anymore. Probably a daft premise. But probably no more daft than him being the next Labour leader.

Yeah, I don't know what to do with this.
Dangerous ignorance about contemporary affairs.
Do people like being corrected about stuff they don't know?
Do they like getting corrected when they're turning red found out in their ignorance?
Will they thank you for setting them straight?
Will they decide to vote in their own best interest's after the lesson?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:14 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
yahyah wrote:The Guardian have been low profile on political child abuse stories, so surprised they've front page splashed the ex Lib Dem MP story.
Where did you get the info they are a LibDem? No mention of that in the Graun story AFAICS.

I presumed it after allegations from Ms Baker, and other women, about an ex Lib Dem MP recently:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fo ... ts-5793397" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5571/ ... paedophile" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A unamed Labour politician was also mentioned in some reports of her allegations, but is said to be now dead.
The Guardian's story seems to be what she alleges.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:14 pm

citizenJA wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:Good morning everyone

David Miliband....get a grip!

As yesterday had a long debate about the spelling of 'sulfur' I, as a chemist, was very pleased to see such passion stirred about my subject

For those who are interested I have posted a link to the most wonderful blog that tries to bring chemistry to our daily life.....

http://www.compoundchem.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Enjoy.....
I obviously don't know what the questions were that Survation put to 'Labour voters' - but might hazard a guess that if they include his name in a short list there would be quite a lot of people who might opt for him on almost recognition stakes alone ... they may not even get that he's not actually an MP anymore. Probably a daft premise. But probably no more daft than him being the next Labour leader.
Yeah, I don't know what to do with this.
Dangerous ignorance about contemporary affairs.
Do people like being corrected about stuff they don't know?
Do they like getting corrected when they're turning red found out in their ignorance?
Will they thank you for setting them straight?
Will they decide to vote in their own best interest's after the lesson?

I think it very much depends on how you do it (correcting people). "God, you're a pillock!" isn't where I'd start . . .

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:16 pm

Volkswagen emissions scandal: Switzerland bans sale of some models
Country halts sale of VWs in the Euro5 class, which contains bulk of vehicles said to have defeat devices, which mask true emissions

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... ome-models" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's probably sensible to do this.
Ask yourself how much current UK Tory government are going to do to protect you.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:20 pm

yahyah wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
yahyah wrote:The Guardian have been low profile on political child abuse stories, so surprised they've front page splashed the ex Lib Dem MP story.
Where did you get the info they are a LibDem? No mention of that in the Graun story AFAICS.
I presumed it after allegations from Ms Baker, and other women, about an ex Lib Dem MP recently:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fo ... ts-5793397" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5571/ ... paedophile" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A unamed Labour politician was also mentioned in some reports of her allegations, but is said to be now dead.
The Guardian's story seems to be what she alleges.

Yes, have done a bit of googling now. Baker was featured in an Australian documentary on this topic recently.

Intriguingly, the Graun mentions a "64 year old man". Not difficult to work out who it is with those two pieces of information......

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:21 pm

PorFavor wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote: I obviously don't know what the questions were that Survation put to 'Labour voters' - but might hazard a guess that if they include his name in a short list there would be quite a lot of people who might opt for him on almost recognition stakes alone ... they may not even get that he's not actually an MP anymore. Probably a daft premise. But probably no more daft than him being the next Labour leader.
Yeah, I don't know what to do with this.
Dangerous ignorance about contemporary affairs.
Do people like being corrected about stuff they don't know?
Do they like getting corrected when they're turning red found out in their ignorance?
Will they thank you for setting them straight?
Will they decide to vote in their own best interest's after the lesson?
I think it very much depends on how you do it (correcting people). "God, you're a pillock!" isn't where I'd start . . .

Agreed!
"God, you're a pillock!" can be 'said' with a look.
Or with a condescending lecture from a someone you used to think a friend.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:31 pm

Ian Dunt ‏@IanDunt 1h1 hour ago
Ian Dunt retweeted Faisal Islam
It's really very difficult not to like him.

Faisal IslamVerified account
‏@faisalislam
"Arsenal haven't won league in 10 years & Labour haven't won an election in 10 years" How did @jeremycorbyn respond? " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:32 pm

citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
citizenJA wrote: Yeah, I don't know what to do with this.
Dangerous ignorance about contemporary affairs.
Do people like being corrected about stuff they don't know?
Do they like getting corrected when they're turning red found out in their ignorance?
Will they thank you for setting them straight?
Will they decide to vote in their own best interest's after the lesson?
I think it very much depends on how you do it (correcting people). "God, you're a pillock!" isn't where I'd start . . .
Agreed!
"God, you're a pillock!" can be 'said' with a look.
Or with a condescending lecture from a someone you used to think a friend.

I can say 'God, you're a pillock!' to Mr Riots by saying nothing. Silence will do it most times I find ....

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:39 pm

If I want to cooperative socialism, peace, prosperity, environmentally sustaining infrastructure, good food and health for people and life, I need the community of others to work to make that happen. I'll sometimes make mistakes, lose the attention of those people I love and have most in common with, say or write the right thing at the wrong time or more likely, be misunderstood and left not knowing how best to continue. I can't not continue because I can't be politically involved alone.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:41 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote: I think it very much depends on how you do it (correcting people). "God, you're a pillock!" isn't where I'd start . . .
Agreed!
"God, you're a pillock!" can be 'said' with a look.
Or with a condescending lecture from a someone you used to think a friend.
I can say 'God, you're a pillock!' to Mr Riots by saying nothing. Silence will do it most times I find ....

Silence is a blessing until it turns into despair at being shunned.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:43 pm

citizenJA wrote:
Volkswagen emissions scandal: Switzerland bans sale of some models
Country halts sale of VWs in the Euro5 class, which contains bulk of vehicles said to have defeat devices, which mask true emissions

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... ome-models" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It's probably sensible to do this.
Ask yourself how much current UK Tory government are going to do to protect you.

Er - nothing. According to the BBC news. (Although it isn't presented exactly like that - which isn't a problem if you want news and not opinion. But it never seems to work both ways - that's my beef.)

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:47 pm

Ian Dunt ‏@IanDunt 1h1 hour ago
Corbyn heralds the return of genuine adversarial politics http://dailym.ai/1Woid6I" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Excellent, honourable analysis from Oborne

... But these serious shortcomings apart, he has brought a wonderful freshness to British politics. And while he has many unpalatable things to say, many need saying.
No one who is loathed by the bankers, the BBC and Tony Blair all at once can be that bad. Corbyn is the first genuinely original party leader to emerge in Britain since a certain Margaret Hilda Thatcher made her first speech to Conservative conference in 1975.
Remember: the establishment hated her, too.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:48 pm

After the VW crisis, is your car’s miles-per-gallon rating accurate?
Many drivers complain that carmakers’ official claims for miles-per-gallon performance are rarely delivered – and the difference is costing them money

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/s ... pg-figures" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

the finger on the essential!

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 1:50 pm

James Lyons ‏@STJamesl 6m6 minutes ago
Sad milestone in Labour history tomorrow. First press v MPs conference football match in living memory not to feature @edballs

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 2:00 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Ian Dunt ‏@IanDunt 1h1 hour ago
Corbyn heralds the return of genuine adversarial politics http://dailym.ai/1Woid6I" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Excellent, honourable analysis from Oborne

... But these serious shortcomings apart, he has brought a wonderful freshness to British politics. And while he has many unpalatable things to say, many need saying.
No one who is loathed by the bankers, the BBC and Tony Blair all at once can be that bad. Corbyn is the first genuinely original party leader to emerge in Britain since a certain Margaret Hilda Thatcher made her first speech to Conservative conference in 1975.
Remember: the establishment hated her, too.

Perverse and offensive
'Honourable analysis from Osborne', like hell.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 2:09 pm

John McDonnell has 'fallen into Osborne's trap' says Caroline Lucas

Green party leader says shadow chancellor’s decision to back proposed fiscal charter reinforces Tories’ austerity narrative (Guardian)

St Lucas (TM yahyah) wades in. Oh, well. The entente cordiale didn't last long, did it?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... line-lucas

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Spaced out today, it would seem. The sun's gone to my head.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 2:28 pm

PorFavor wrote:Re David Miliband -

Several people (not particularly politically savvy - so they're probably "average" voters) I've spoken to post General Election think that Ed Miliband has "gone off in a huff to America" after losing. I've pointed out their mix-up of the brothers - but it makes me wonder how many people really know that much about David Miliband, other than the hype that surrounds him. In other words, they're a bit gullible and susceptible to being misled. Time for a bit of political education?

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Sounds very much as if they're getting the brothers mixed up....

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 2:33 pm

Are there any Spurs supporters on here?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 2:34 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
PorFavor wrote: I think it very much depends on how you do it (correcting people). "God, you're a pillock!" isn't where I'd start . . .
Agreed!
"God, you're a pillock!" can be 'said' with a look.
Or with a condescending lecture from a someone you used to think a friend.
I can say 'God, you're a pillock!' to Mr Riots by saying nothing. Silence will do it most times I find ....

I favour a straight faced stare myself

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 2:40 pm

Kevin Maguire ‏@Kevin_Maguire 10m10 minutes ago
Sunderland win at Man Utd today. It's the hope that hurts

Oh blast. I'd better steer Mr Riots straight to a chair in front of the rugby when he gets in ... he'll be uber grumpy if he finds that out first. (Mind you - I think he's almost gone past the point of being disappointed by them these days.)

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 2:41 pm

It hasn't kicked off yet......

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 2:42 pm

If anyone's interested I've written about something which keeps cropping up - the 2007 history curriculum - and Nick Gibb was fairly dismissive about it in an article he wrote the other week to commemorate the American educationalist ED Hirsch visiting the UK.

http://flythenest.org/viewtopic.php?f=7 ... 750#p71750" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Comments welcome.