Sat 26 & Sun 27 Sept 2015 - Start of Labour Conference

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 7:17 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote: the one who's just penned the "Why I'm a Conservative"?

Save on having individual heads of history, geography & RE I guess.
Yeah, that one.

Ah, I was thinking they had those too. Doesn't look like they have.

As with WLFS, the senior staff look very young. I know they've got tons of support from heavyweight governors, but might still be a problem.
He'll probably end up at a thinktank in a year or so doing 'research'.

He might be better than Peal, to be fair. He's less of a gobshite.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 7:48 pm

Idly wondering - as you do - what the Pope might think of IDS...

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 8:31 pm

Jeremy Corbyn moves to a more humble office because his grand leader's one is too big

Labour's leader says he feels like a 'prisoner' in his sprawling base so he'll use it as a meeting room

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/je ... le-6519149

Sorry, but I like him more and more.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 8:44 pm

Quite astute to put out this "humble Jeremy" story when he's basically agreed to the Ed Balls fiscal policy today.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 8:47 pm

Except that hasn't really happened, tbh - what hacked so many of us off about Balls is that he essentially junked the *investment* stuff in that godawful conference speech a year ago.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 8:47 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Quite astute to put out this "humble Jeremy" story when he's basically agreed to the Ed Balls fiscal policy today.

But Tubby I thought he was an extreme left winger who was going to spend, spend, spend on vanity projects?

We all know that Labour's policy going into 2015 was bad mis-represented and, even for us opponents of austerity, gave us something to work with

It is massively different from the intentions of that sociopath sitting in Downing Street!

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 9:01 pm

Just for info these are the Current Receipts less Current Spending balances in £bn from the OBR.

Note two things:
1. That the first time that they didn't fulfill what they're now promising to get back to was 2008/9 and
2. That after 2004/5 it was actually increasing. that line about getting to the point where they thought that spending had reached the limit of what they could afford was correct.

1993-94.....(24.1)
1994-95.....(15.9)
1995-96.....(7.1)
1996-97.....(4.1)
1997-98......17.0
1998-99......28.7
1999-00......40.2
2000-01......43.3
2001-02......33.0
2002-03......11.0
2003-04........6.0
2004-05........2.9
2005-06......10.6
2006-07......18.4
2007-08......18.7
2008-09.....(22.0)
2009-10.....(73.2)

NB that line where Tories claim that Labour followed their plans until 2001 is balls - two years maximum i.e. 97/98 and 98/99.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 9:15 pm

Another idle thought --- Did they pass the law where strikers have to wear badged or armbands? I've been a bit distracted lately and honestly can't remember. So much Corbyn coverage, it's drowned most other news items...

And if it has been passed, does that mean junior doctors will have to wear them if they strike?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 9:22 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Another idle thought --- Did they pass the law where strikers have to wear badged or armbands? I've been a bit distracted lately and honestly can't remember. So much Corbyn coverage, it's drowned most other news items...

And if it has been passed, does that mean junior doctors will have to wear them if they strike?

I think it goes to committee next where they look at it line by line.

Not sure who's on that bill committee - if it's anything like the education one, they'll just bulldoze it through without changes.

Was it in the manifesto? That's important for whether the Lords can change it and not get it reversed when it goes back to the Commons.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 9:37 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Quite astute to put out this "humble Jeremy" story when he's basically agreed to the Ed Balls fiscal policy today.

But Tubby I thought he was an extreme left winger who was going to spend, spend, spend on vanity projects?

We all know that Labour's policy going into 2015 was bad mis-represented and, even for us opponents of austerity, gave us something to work with

It is massively different from the intentions of that sociopath sitting in Downing Street!

My objection to him on the economy is that he's promising more than he can deliver, with tax clampdowns and people's QE etc. I said he'd end up not that different to Miliband. And he can certainly present it much better.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 9:40 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Just for info these are the Current Receipts less Current Spending balances in £bn from the OBR.

Note two things:
1. That the first time that they didn't fulfill what they're now promising to get back to was 2008/9 and
2. That after 2004/5 it was actually increasing. that line about getting to the point where they thought that spending had reached the limit of what they could afford was correct.

1993-94.....(24.1)
1994-95.....(15.9)
1995-96.....(7.1)
1996-97.....(4.1)
1997-98......17.0
1998-99......28.7
1999-00......40.2
2000-01......43.3
2001-02......33.0
2002-03......11.0
2003-04........6.0
2004-05........2.9
2005-06......10.6
2006-07......18.4
2007-08......18.7
2008-09.....(22.0)
2009-10.....(73.2)

NB that line where Tories claim that Labour followed their plans until 2001 is balls - two years maximum i.e. 97/98 and 98/99.

I think the 5 year spending plans (called the Comprehensive Spending Review) was introduce long after 1997.

Those are impressive current balances. Particularly around 2002, with the post 9/11 recession happening elsewhere.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 9:40 pm

Here's what's in the manifesto:

We will protect you from disruptive and undemocratic strike action
Strikes should only ever be the result of a clear, positive
decision based on a ballot in which at least half the workforce has voted. This turnout threshold will be an important and fair step to rebalance the interests of employers, employees, the public and the rights of trade unions. We will, in addition, tackle the disproportionate impact of strikes in essential public services by introducing a tougher threshold in health, education, fire and transport. Industrial action in these essential services would require the support of at least 40 per cent of all those entitled to take part in strike ballots – as well as a majority of those who actually turn out to vote. We will also repeal nonsensical restrictions banning employers from hiring agency staff to provide essential cover during strikes; and
ensure strikes cannot be called on the basis of ballots conducted years before. We will tackle intimidation of non-striking workers; legislate to ensure trade unions use a transparent opt-in process for union subscriptions; tighten the rules around taxpayer-funded paid ‘facility time’ for union representatives; and reform the role of the Certification Officer.

I'd say that unless there's some fair minded Tories (ha!) on the committee then it's going through.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 9:54 pm

We will also repeal nonsensical restrictions banning employers from hiring agency staff to provide essential cover during strikes

Nonsensical?!

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 9:57 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
We will also repeal nonsensical restrictions banning employers from hiring agency staff to provide essential cover during strikes
Nonsensical?!

Yeah, effectively it's a "company won't care if you go on strike".

This lot really are worse than people like Tebbit - even he didn't dare go this far.

Edit - could have been worse - if they'd implemented that hedge fund tosser's proposals we could have had dismissal on the spot without any comeback on the employer.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sat 26 Sep, 2015 10:02 pm

Wouldn't it be great of one of the police chief's said "Right. From now on we're not taking any notice of our local PCC since they're not voted in with more than 40% turnour".

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 8:07 am

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Quite astute to put out this "humble Jeremy" story when he's basically agreed to the Ed Balls fiscal policy today.

But Tubby I thought he was an extreme left winger who was going to spend, spend, spend on vanity projects?

We all know that Labour's policy going into 2015 was bad mis-represented and, even for us opponents of austerity, gave us something to work with

It is massively different from the intentions of that sociopath sitting in Downing Street!
My objection to him on the economy is that he's promising more than he can deliver, with tax clampdowns and people's QE etc. I said he'd end up not that different to Miliband. And he can certainly present it much better.

At the moment he doesn't have any sort of economic policy, other than vague sound bites. Which right now is absolutely fine because the election is years away. I do think agreeing to Osbornes framework is wrong though, not least because it is unnecessary and leads to brand confusion. Caroline Lucas being quick to attack from the left in a likely doomed attempt to hang on to her left wing voters.

My problem with it is that while the broad framework might stack up with some fairly hefty tax rises, it won't without them. Worse when all the other inevitable promises are made (nationalising energy for example) the bill will spiral by tens of billions and the plans will just be torn to pieces and seen as impractical by the electorate.

Politics is the art of the possible, which in this country - at the moment - is targeting a limited tax base efficiently ( which it isn't now) and expanding it incrementally to get the super rich. Going beyond this might be possible in power, but it isn't in opposition.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 8:22 am

Morning.

John Prescott writes about the conference in the Mirror:

''I just hope journalists and the Bitterites acknowledge that a debate has started in the party and let us get on with it.

It won’t be “a fight”, a “civil war” or a “damaging split”.

It’ll be a grown-up discussion on how we get back to putting our traditional values in a modern setting.

And start winning back public support.''
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/le ... ed-6524972" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 8:28 am

Good morfternoon.

Lonewolfie · Post by **Lonewolfie** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 8:49 am

Evemornafts....

Congratulations to the Welsh contingent...great game with, for once, something I agree with Gatland about - Wales just wanted it more - but also great shame about the injuries (to both teams) - as my (long-time Scarlet, quite smug with a sore head this am) bro-in-law put it - now both teams have to beat Aus (as with most things, I live in Hope (just north of P'boro)).

Picked this up yesterday and, in the spirit of 'lists', thought it might be useful here....

Here is catalogue of officially recognised Tory lies used to justify their unjustifiable policies, which have have resulted in official reprimands:

https://kittysjones.wordpress.com/2014/ ... tory-lies/

(Usual apologies apply if it's been linked before)

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 8:52 am

Dreadful Telegraph View piece, complete with a pic of someone being stretchered out of the bombed Tory conference hotel in 1984.

The headline is 'Labour Lunatic Fringe is now the Main Event'.

''It is a chilling coincidence that Mr Corbyn’s first conference as leader is being held in Brighton. Thirty one years ago, the IRA attempted to assassinate Margaret Thatcher at The Grand hotel.''
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/tele ... event.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 9:04 am

Fighting talk:

Owen Smith says ''Labour will challenge the Tories “at every turn” in a fresh assault over Bedroom Tax .''

He said: “I will harry him (IDS) at every turn so he won’t know which way he’s facing. We shall keep campaigning, and we will keep pressing for changes.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/je ... lt-6524903" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lonewolfie · Post by **Lonewolfie** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 9:05 am

Not sure if this has been linked before, but, again, an interesting read, if just for the descriptions of hedonism and more...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 17371.html

...given the current attacks on various Labour politicians wrt 'links to terrorists' it says this about links to the Contras...

Hunt and his colleagues were publicly accused of harming the Conservative Party by extending “invitations to terrorists” in a resignation letter from a local Tory official, Andrew Foulsham.

Ha....edited to make sense but Yah Yah was too quick for me

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 9:12 am

I see Gilligan's been putting the boot in to people around Corbyn in the DT.

My favourite bit is this:

The Sunday Telegraph has also uncovered evidence of how other key figures around Mr Corbyn, including his chief of staff, Simon Fletcher, as well as Mr Ross are or were members of a tiny, secretive Trotskyite sect, Socialist Action, which seeks a communist revolution and believes that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a “tragedy for humanity”.

Yes, they're so secretive that the DT obligingly links to their website, and they even have their own wikipedia page!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Action_(UK" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

Look down at the references of that page and you discover that they're not really that secret given there's been articles mentioning them at the time in the Times and ES.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 9:23 am

Lonewolfie wrote:Not sure if this has been linked before, but, again, an interesting read, if just for the descriptions of hedonism and more...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 17371.html

...given the current attacks on various Labour politicians wrt 'links to terrorists' it says this about links to the Contras...

Hunt and his colleagues were publicly accused of harming the Conservative Party by extending “invitations to terrorists” in a resignation letter from a local Tory official, Andrew Foulsham.

...now then, where have I heard about the Contras/Nicaragua before....oh yes, that's right...
...and the #snoutrage continues....

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/da ... ar_twitter

& it is claimed that the slim KGB spy Cameron and his pal had eyes for was actually a male.
Valery is a male name.
Some alleged Russian sources claim Cameron & his pal were more interested in him than a 'large breasted' attractive girl who left in disgust at them not being attracted to her charms.

The Mail have asked why Ashcroft changed Valery to a female and avoided Russian allegations about Cameron's sexual tastes at the time.

I keep meaning to emulate our new leader and avoid gossip

It may take some time.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 9:29 am

Good morning all, had to take No3 son to York to start University so wasn't around to respond to emails re. spelling of Sulphur. In my defence I studied chemistry at uni in the early 80's, and wasn't aware of any spelling changes, so apologies if I caused any upset.
As an attempt to make amends, at least to any Welsh correspondents, here's Adam Jones's response to yesterday's match:

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rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 9:31 am

Radio 4 on the start of the Labour conference and Jeremy Corbyn's speaking style and leaders speech .... where to start. Need to wash the aspic off Radio 4 presenters and reporters and their style (because there's precious little content) first - probably with scalding hot water.

Seriously bad when Norman Smith says that he's beginning to realise that Corbyn's new speaking style - no big declamations, no obvious soundbites - seems to his surprise to be going down well with the womens conference audience - that the people he spoke to genuinely seemed ready to give Corbyn a chance and wanted a change. He then said that just maybe the media were going to have to adjust themselves to a new kind politics because it's clear Corbyn isn't following the normal practice - no prebriefings, no music and razzamatazz, no set pieces, no wife brought up onto the stage etc etc.

Has he - Norman Smith - really only just understood why a lot of people are prepared to give him a chance - it's precisely because he's not playing the tired old game with them all.

And then the presenter has Chris Mullins and Jess Phillips on and tries to get them to come up with soundbites that Corbyn should use in his speech - despite having just been told he doesn't really do soundbites. They also both told him Corbyn now needs to speak to the country not just the party in his speech - so the presenter comes up with a trite soundbite of his own 'New Labour is dead - long live Labour'. You could hear Mullins and Phillips almost go - 'WTF, where do we start?' They reminded the presenter again that they both thought Corbyn had to speak to the country now - about the future - and no, that soundbite was about the past and the party and unhelpful.

I do hope the media are going to be able to catch up a bit. They are going to look like fools if they don't.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 9:38 am

Patrick Wintour ‏@patrickwintour 47m47 minutes ago
Britain's EU renegotiation has 'stalled' because the UK will not tell the EU especially the French what it wants. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -told.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 9:41 am

Allegra Stratton ‏@BBCAllegra 2m2 minutes ago
Jeremy Corbyn on Marr doing a good job. Reasonable and taking the mickey out of pompous political process.

Well I never.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 9:44 am

Beth Rigby ‏@BethRigby 1m1 minute ago
Whatever your views of #corbyn politics, his manner pitch perfect on #Marr. Relaxed and assured

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 9:45 am

Isabel Hardman ‏@IsabelHardman 40s41 seconds ago
This is a very good interview from Jeremy Corbyn on #marr. He's confident, relaxed, in good humour.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 9:46 am

Chris Ship ‏@chrisshipitv 2m2 minutes ago
Corbyn poses big question: is it so 'disastrous' if politicians at top of same party disagree? Is collective responsibility such a good idea

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 9:47 am

Michael Dugher MP ‏@MichaelDugher 2m2 minutes ago
Michael Dugher MP retweeted The Andrew Marr Show
.@jeremycorbyn right about this. How we face up to & change that disillusionment is the biggest challenge we face.

The Andrew Marr ShowVerified account
‏@MarrShow
'I'm not sure the political classes fully appreciate the disillusionment with politics that's out there' - @jeremycorbyn #marrshow @UKLabour

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 9:54 am

Isabel Hardman ‏@IsabelHardman 1m1 minute ago
Corbyn is enjoying this, like an academic having a bracing debate in his office, not politician trying to remember what he was told to say

I think this is where Corbyn's age, or rather longer term experience of life, is going to be a plus.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 9:56 am

Nick Robinson ‏@bbcnickrobinson 2m2 minutes ago
.@jeremycorbyn relaxed & self confident. Clearly believes rules of the game changed. Shrugs off Qs about divisions & extremism @MarrShow

Editing to add: I was beginning to wonder if it was only the women commentators falling under the Corbyn spell ... but apparently not.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 10:00 am

Jamie Reed ‏@jreedmp 3m3 minutes ago
#marr
'Flags don't build houses'
That's a great line. Welcome illustration of SNP austerity policies, too.

Austin Mitchell ‏@AVMitchell2010 5m5 minutes ago
Faced with a battery of hypothetical and unanswerable questions Corbyn was calm reasonable and totally unMarred.Well done.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 10:02 am

Kevin Maguire ‏@Kevin_Maguire 2m2 minutes ago
Lot of people will have watched that Corbyn interview on #marr and liked what they saw and heard. Did himself and Labour a power of good

There you are. Last one. Just thought I should balance out the women and men.

Editing to add:

steve richards ‏@steverichards14 30s31 seconds ago
Jeremy Corbyn was very good on Marr- relaxed, humorous, authoritative. Tapes of the interview should be sent to Middle England.

Definitely last one.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 10:03 am

From Sparrow's blog:

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, has announced he is setting up a panel of expert economists to advise the party. The economists, who all oppose the government’s austerity policies, are: Joseph Stiglitz, the Nobel prize winner; Thomas Piketty, author of Capital in the 21st Century, Ann Pettifor, Anastasia Nesvetailova, Simon Wren-Lewis and Mariana Mazzucato

I wonder if SpinningHugo is going to pop up to tell us Joseph Stiglitz is a nobody economist?

(For avoidance of any doubt, I will be well impressed if Corbyn can claim Stiglitz as an economic advisor).

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 10:26 am

Philip Hunt ‏@LordPhilofBrum Sep 25
Philip Hunt retweeted LabourLordsUK
Excellent piece by Labour's Leader in the Lords on votes at 16 re Euro referendum:

LabourLordsUKVerified account
‏@LabourLordsUK
#Lab15 issue of @theHouse_mag inc @LadyBasildon on tackling Tories & why Cameron cld u-turn on @Votesat16 #EUref http://twitdoc.com/4TPO" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's actually about a lot more than votes at 16 ... more about how the Lords is functioning and the additional challenges with increasing numbers and decreasing transparency of govt bills. This paragraph bears out the general view here that govt bills are being very poorly drafted. That could be down to incompetence or deliberate fudging - or both.

But it’s not just a penchant for lobby fodder that shows disrespect for parliament. It is the lack of detail being given up front on government bills. Our greatest weapon is information, yet we are seeing an increased reluctance on the part of the government to allow us to conduct proper scrutiny.Even two ﬂagships bills, on cities devolution and increased childcare provision, were notable for the absence of detail, the childcare one shockingly so. They’ve also tried to keep us in the dark on the Energy Bill, with us peers still to have sight of a promised impact assessment.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 10:29 am

Couple of 'grandees' on Marr interview.

Peter Hain ‏@PeterHain 5m5 minutes ago
Peter Hain retweeted John Prescott
@jeremycorbyn certainly excellent on @BBCMarrShow #Lab15

John PrescottVerified account
‏@johnprescott
I thought that was the best interview by a Labour leader in over a decade #Marr #Lab15

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 10:32 am

Ah, looks like I actually missed something interesting......

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 10:35 am

norman smith ‏@BBCNormanS 2m2 minutes ago
Labour MPs set to be given a free vote on renewal of Trident says Tom Watson @bbc5live #lab15

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 10:58 am

I missed the Andrew Marr show. I intended to watch it, and even had it on - but I was in another room (no, not dead - just in "another room") when the main event occurred. I'll try to watch it on the action re-play thing.

Thanks to rebeccariots2 for the reportage.

@yahyah The moon thing is tonight (or around 3am) - and it's going to be chilly.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 11:11 am

Sunday Politics - the three wise idiots from the right wing of politics!

I am fucking livid at our so-called 'national broadcaster' has 'panellists' from the right to opine on why it is all so bad for Corbyn. They are all shit scared that he could actually show that they are yesterday's news

They are using the SC and the PLP against him (which is why those particular need to be careful or I, for one, will be calling for some deselections!) and seem not to like the idea of consensus politics - wanting to turn it into a fight within the party at every turn. Luckily the party itself, apart from the usual suspects, seem to be understanding of this

Bunch of wankers those three....I loathe them with a passion; smug, entitled, arrogant and of limited intellectual scope!

By the way good morning!

Swarthlander · Post by **Swarthlander** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 11:12 am

I would just like to inform you that it has been an excellent year for Rhubarb (the fruit) here.
I have just gathered my final crop for this year and in a couple of months I will be splitting the crowns which have bloomed fantastically.

Now I am trying to find a way to spin/blame all this on Jeremy Corbyn and how it will all ultimately cause the end for the Labour Party.

Good morning.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 11:12 am

Poor captioning / editing on Andrew Neil's Sunday Politics just had a Trident missile bursting forth out of the oceans with the label 'John McTernan adviser to Tony Blair 2005 - 2007'.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 11:15 am

Swarthlander wrote:I would just like to inform you that it has been an excellent year for Rhubarb (the fruit) here.
I have just gathered my final crop for this year and in a couple of months I will be splitting the crowns which have bloomed fantastically.

Now I am trying to find a way to spin/blame all this on Jeremy Corbyn and how it will all ultimately cause the end for the Labour Party.

Good morning.

Good morning. Now Swarthy, I'm sure I can help you there. You must know by now that if everything looks healthy and is increasing at a formidable rate - it cannot last, it just cannot last. You will have to create divisions and splits - and they will rot. Rot away.

There - is that doom and gloom enough for you?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 11:17 am

howsillyofme1 wrote:Sunday Politics - the three wise idiots from the right wing of politics!

I am fucking livid at our so-called 'national broadcaster' has 'panellists' from the right to opine on why it is all so bad for Corbyn. They are all shit scared that he could actually show that they are yesterday's news

They are using the SC and the PLP against him (which is why those particular need to be careful or I, for one, will be calling for some deselections!) and seem not to like the idea of consensus politics - wanting to turn it into a fight within the party at every turn. Luckily the party itself, apart from the usual suspects, seem to be understanding of this

Bunch of wankers those three....I loathe them with a passion; smug, entitled, arrogant and of limited intellectual scope!

By the way good morning!

Got to agree with you on the choice of panellists. Sour faces and predictions all round. Not impressed with Andrew Neil that he couldn't balance it out a bit more.

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 11:19 am

Chris Leslie...shut up!

If you do not like the party leadership and the policies then piss off. If you cannot say anything useful then stay off the camera....you have said nothing, added nothing and answered nothing

And we lost the last election because of twats like you - you lost, lost and lost it for us

I am fuming about this disloyalty

Swarthlander · Post by **Swarthlander** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 11:26 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Swarthlander wrote:I would just like to inform you that it has been an excellent year for Rhubarb (the fruit) here.
I have just gathered my final crop for this year and in a couple of months I will be splitting the crowns which have bloomed fantastically.

Now I am trying to find a way to spin/blame all this on Jeremy Corbyn and how it will all ultimately cause the end for the Labour Party.

Good morning.
Good morning. Now Swarthy, I'm sure I can help you there. You must know by now that if everything looks healthy and is increasing at a formidable rate - it cannot last, it just cannot last. You will have to create divisions and splits - and they will rot. Rot away.

There - is that doom and gloom enough for you?

But if I don't create a split (at least 3 ways) they will wither and rot anyway, usually from the centre - Paradox!

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 27 Sep, 2015 11:29 am

Simon Danczuk ‏@SimonDanczuk 1m1 minute ago
I'm on Sunday Politics North West in 5 minutes discussing Labour Conference and HS2. Why not tune in?

Has he not gone to Brighton then?

The BBC are really going all out to get a balanced commentary.