Thursday October 15th 2015

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 6:28 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Was that affected to put an accent in précis?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 6:29 pm

PorFavor wrote:
yahyah wrote:liane gomersall ‏@ligomersall 6m6 minutes ago
Bra firm set up by Tory business guru Michelle Mone plunges nearly £400,000 into the red http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/business/b ... ar_twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Oops..she'll be asking for the pullover back for a refund.
Bra firm plunges? Oh, that's very good! My cup(s) runneth over . . .

Didn't get enough support...

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 6:30 pm

The company needs a bit of uplift.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 6:34 pm

Good night all.
Thanks for the views, links and company while I'm confined to the sofa.

& OhSo - have you got an electric foot warmer ?
I bought my husband one as he gets cold feet. He looks as happy as a pig in clover when he uses it.
Highly recommended.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 6:34 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Was that affected to put an accent in précis?

Nah. It's no different to putting the f in sulphur . . . .

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 6:37 pm

Oh - and, although it's a bit like saying, "Hello, I must be going," -

Good morfternoon.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 6:37 pm

PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Was that affected to put an accent in précis?
Nah. It's no different to putting the f in sulphur . . . .

Well exactly. 100 lines. I must not.......

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 6:37 pm

yahyah wrote:Hi OhSo.

I've got another thing for our list of products that mask a real rise in the inflation rate.

Paper hankies, have been using loads today, the same type my husband has bought for the last three years are thinner and smaller, despite the box seeming the same size.

I am beginning to think there's not a single thing that hasn't shrunk, or had one less in the pack...Used to be six apples in most packs. Now there are five. It's a huge rise when you think about it. I couldn't believe the size of the spray can when I went to get Mr Ohso's favourite deoodorant, Old Spice. And the Impulse spray cans which I buy are the same price but have got smaller. It's really noticeable....
Even Aldi's products have shrunk...

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 6:50 pm

Manson has just killed himself. Slit his throat...80 years old.

martinson · Post by **martinson** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 6:59 pm

There's no f'in sulphur!
Forgive me couldn't resist.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 7:13 pm

yahyah wrote:Stuart Forbes ‏@StuartForbes1 2h2 hours ago
@faisalislam @MichelleMone I didn't know they made lingerie for pig heads.

Whilst we're at it,
I must not google pigs & lingerie.
I must not google pigs & lingerie
...etc

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 7:19 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... of-demands" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

David Cameron bowed to pressure from other EU governments on Thursday and pledged he would put his shopping list of demands for his in/out EU referendum on paper for Brussels within weeks after previously declining to do so.

Do you sometimes get the feeling Cameron never thought this far ahead? That his whole life has been a series of freakishly lucky incidents that somehow turned out right despite his complete incompetency and that even up to the very last minute he had still been expecting some get out clause to just drop in his lap to dig him out of the hole he's got himself into over these EU negotiations?

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 7:23 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Was that affected to put an accent in précis?

No.

But you must hate yourself for it.

After all, you're from Yorkshire.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 7:24 pm

David Cameron bows to EU pressure for written list of demands
Prime minister to write to Donald Tusk to detail changes he wants to see ahead of British referendum on membership, after previously refusing to do so
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... of-demands" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cameron has previously refused to be pinned down on his demands, triggering a chorus of complaints over the past fortnight from EU capitals that the negotiations were going nowhere and that there would be no meaningful talks until Downing Street put something on paper.

The letter, said British officials, “will lay down the changes for a fuller and more detailed discussion with the [EU] member states”.

In Brussels on Thursday, Cameron met separately with the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and the French president, François Hollande, but the UK issue was peripheral to a discussion which focused on policy on Syria, diplomatic sources said. Earlier, in the German parliament, Merkel said she wanted to strike a deal with Cameron, but stipulated there were no-go areas on freedom of movement or labour migration within the EU and on non-discrimination, meaning that Cameron would not be able to curb in-work benefits for EU citizens in the UK.

This is getting ridiculous. I feel as though we've got Monsieur Hulot negotiating on the UK's behalf - no words, just gestures and signs.

And if Cameron thinks the outers will be satisfied with the no-go areas as outlined by Merkel ... he's in la la land.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 7:25 pm

Ha! Snap Willow.

We're both not willing to suffer the buffoon gladly.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 7:29 pm

Dear me, just watched Graham Brady on the new grammar school come out at the end with something like "is it right in this day and age that central government should be telling people what schools they can have?"

You mean like this one saying that every new school has to be a free school?

Moron.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 7:31 pm

yahyah wrote:

Is she really Lady Mone of Mayfair ?

Sounds like one of the women Tory MPs use when their wives are out of town.

Osborne looks as if he approves.

Lady M, founder of the Ultimo underwear empire, was second up on a conveyor belt that will, over the coming weeks, see dozens more of the great and the good enter the gilded arena of the House of Lords.

Un-f*****g believable.

"Sounds like one of the women Tory MPs use when their wives are out of town."

Hilarious, yahyah, brilliant!
Incredible.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 7:36 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:Ideal - knitted (crocheted ?) JC for the top of the tree

CRTIZLSWUAAfbhK.jpg

That's brilliant. And I'm having one.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 7:41 pm

tinybgoat wrote:
yahyah wrote:Stuart Forbes ‏@StuartForbes1 2h2 hours ago
@faisalislam @MichelleMone I didn't know they made lingerie for pig heads.
Whilst we're at it,
I must not google pigs & lingerie.
I must not google pigs & lingerie
...etc

Oh go on. You know you want to. We won't look....

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 7:42 pm

Now that I have poured my vituperative scorn on La Bailey, it's Mone's turn.

Having caused outrage by expressing the view that she loves having OCD and it's great because tidy drawers (truly) are the sign of a tidy mind, Mone has been trying to explain what she meant all day yesterday......no, she has no idea that obsessive-compulsive disorder can be crippling.

Lady Mone of Mayfair is speaking at a "Success in London" event (with some other spivs and chancers nobody's heard of), where she'll feel right at home as she's doing the same at DWP. She's an inspiration all round, apparently.

So our government is now being advised by a lingerie model and former Labour supporter with a track record in failing at business. Good grief.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 7:43 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
yahyah wrote:liane gomersall ‏@ligomersall 6m6 minutes ago
Bra firm set up by Tory business guru Michelle Mone plunges nearly £400,000 into the red http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/business/b ... ar_twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Oops..she'll be asking for the pullover back for a refund.
Bra firm plunges? Oh, that's very good! My cup(s) runneth over . . .
Didn't get enough support...

And she was all wired up going into the Lords....

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 7:46 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
TobyLatimer wrote:Ideal - knitted (crocheted ?) JC for the top of the tree

CRTIZLSWUAAfbhK.jpg
That's brilliant. And I'm having one.

I was struck by the likeness...Very clever!

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 7:50 pm

Willow904 wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... of-demands
David Cameron bowed to pressure from other EU governments on Thursday and pledged he would put his shopping list of demands for his in/out EU referendum on paper for Brussels within weeks after previously declining to do so.
Do you sometimes get the feeling Cameron never thought this far ahead? That his whole life has been a series of freakishly lucky incidents that somehow turned out right despite his complete incompetency and that even up to the very last minute he had still been expecting some get out clause to just drop in his lap to dig him out of the hole he's got himself into over these EU negotiations?

I don't think any of the oafs he is over think at all...And he certainly doesn't. The mouth flaps and it's completely disengaged from the brain...And having said that, I doubt he has a brain as we think of it.

More and more when I can bear to listen to him I think his motto should read...'I have spoken, therefore it is'

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 7:51 pm

PorFavor wrote:
yahyah wrote:liane gomersall ‏@ligomersall 6m6 minutes ago
Bra firm set up by Tory business guru Michelle Mone plunges nearly £400,000 into the red http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/business/b ... ar_twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Oops..she'll be asking for the pullover back for a refund.
Bra firm plunges? Oh, that's very good! My cup(s) runneth over . . .

Do you think she'll cleave to the House of Lords.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 7:53 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Manson has just killed himself. Slit his throat...80 years old.

Link? Still not dead according to Wikipedia

Bonnylad · Post by **Bonnylad** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 7:59 pm

Have seen the Manson 'dead' hoax dozens of times-no mention of it in any US papers.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 8:08 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
yahyah wrote:liane gomersall ‏@ligomersall 6m6 minutes ago
Bra firm set up by Tory business guru Michelle Mone plunges nearly £400,000 into the red http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/business/b ... ar_twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Oops..she'll be asking for the pullover back for a refund.
Bra firm plunges? Oh, that's very good! My cup(s) runneth over . . .
Do you think she'll cleave to the House of Lords.

Possibly. But it might take ages . . ..

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 8:16 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
TobyLatimer wrote:Ideal - knitted (crocheted ?) JC for the top of the tree

CRTIZLSWUAAfbhK.jpg
That's brilliant. And I'm having one.

Available here, they have an Osborne lookin like the spider creature from The Thing, and a Gove

http://stiffstitches.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 8:17 pm

Doctors ask Cabinet Office to investigate Jeremy Hunt's patient deaths comments
Medics say health secretary breached ministerial code of conduct with claim that 11,000 patients a year die after being admitted to hospital at weekends
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... eremy-hunt" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hunt is turning out to have that special quality of knowing exactly how to insult and alienate the people he needs to work with ... almost outdoing Gove now. Glad the medics are taking action over him making such claims ... rather like the way he misused the mortality figures re mid Staffs.

Speaking of Gove ... I saw a truly incredible headline for an article by McTernan in the Telegraph earlier on along the lines of 'Labour should be ashamed for chasing Gove out of Education because now we've got Nicky Morgan and a new grammar school that Gove would never have approved ....'

????? Labour chased Gove out of Education. Really? I thought Cameron had to move him because he had proven such a liability and alienated just about everybody he could in that sector.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 8:21 pm

McTernan got schooled today on Twitter about the Labour party rulebook. He is becoming an increasingly tragic figure, genuinely sad to see.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 8:31 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Speaking of Gove ... I saw a truly incredible headline for an article by McTernan in the Telegraph earlier on along the lines of 'Labour should be ashamed for chasing Gove out of Education because now we've got Nicky Morgan and a new grammar school that Gove would never have approved ....'

????? Labour chased Gove out of Education. Really? I thought Cameron had to move him because he had proven such a liability and alienated just about everybody he could in that sector.

Yes, I saw that - quite ridiculous. Cameron thinking ahead to the election just wanted a nice, softer face to placate teachers and parents - Labour were hardly stretching him were they?

But now we have Lucy Powell - it'd be nice if McTernan acknowledged that she's stronger in that position than any Labour shadow for the past 5 years.

McTernan is one of these generalists like Fraser Nelson who has no real idea about education but simply buys into the DfE rhetoric that everything is just fine and dandy.

Post by **refitman** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 8:42 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:McTernan got schooled today on Twitter about the Labour party rulebook. He is becoming an increasingly tragic figure, genuinely sad to see.

Here is said twitter discussion: https://storify.com/chrisbrooke/a-conve ... n-mcternan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 9:33 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Wasn't there supposed to be a Commons vote on Syria this week?

UK policy on Syria
Oral evidence
Thursday 8 October 2015

http://data.parliament.uk/writteneviden ... /22586.pdf
This was all I found.
Ta.

Its just last week's Absurder had been hyperventilating over "50-100 MPs set to defy Jez" (its actually a free vote on the Labour side, but never mind) as if something was imminent.

Seemingly not.

Abbott briefly achieved the impossible of making Woodcock look intelligent and considerate in yet another embarrasing rant and then the grown ups got involved, Benn and Corbyn, and it all got sensible.

The problem for Dave is Syria is very complex and Labour sort of has a policy, he doesn't. Which means he will have to think carefully about what he actually wants to achieve (and he hasn't got a clue).

The smart approach now would be to see if Iran, Russia and the Kurds can end the war between them. An Assad government in one region and a Kurdish government in another is the best outcome for stability (which ultimately means less killing). Unfortunately the Americans can't stop themselves from arming the anti Assad forces to combat Putin. This may yet run and run, but not in a way that Cameron can easily exploit.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 9:57 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Leading solar entrepreneur to put business into liquidation
Southern Solar is industry’s third high-profile casualty this month and founder Howard Johns is expected to blame government policy
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... t_b-gdneco" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lisa Nandy Retweeted
Leo Hickman ‏@LeoHickman 5h5 hours ago
"Catastrophic": @GregBarkerUK writes to the Times re: cuts to solar subsidies http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/l ... 585895.ece" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; … @AmberRudd_MP

Lisa Nandy ‏@lisanandy 10m10 minutes ago
Today's analysis from National Grid shows we now have less spare power capacity than at any time for almost a decade.

Lisa Nandy
@lisanandy 9m9 minutes ago
This could have been entirely avoided with stable energy policy & without the Chancellor's near constant attacks on clean energy investment.

Lisa Nandy ‏@lisanandy 9m9 minutes ago
The constant chopping and changing of energy policies under the Tories has put off urgently needed investment in new, clean power stations.

If they are right about a severe winter - I think at present it's 50/50 - what's that going to mean for power cuts....

The utter short-sightedness and sheer selfishness of this Government still astound me without surprising me (if that makes sense.) Power cuts are for the little people so don't matter to them - what matter when you can simply hire a generator if your house is not already equipped with one, you've already bought a year's-worth of oil for the heating, your house has working fireplaces, plus you can easily afford to light the house with candles (such a lark!) if it comes to it - and, if they're even aware of the risks, they'll spin the blame onto previous governments for failing to invest in new nuclear and/or obstreperous unions/EU regulations...

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 10:09 pm

Oh FFS! The DfE really is a bloody joke.

The Teaching Assistants Standards report that NickyMorgan doesn’t want you to see

http://schoolsweek.co.uk/the-report-tha ... fe-report/

Standards for teaching assistants drawn up seven months ago by frontline volunteers have been ignored by ministers who are now refusing to publish the document.

The review of professional standards was launched by the Department for Education (DfE) last October, led by former coalition minister David Laws, a Lib Dem who lost his seat in May’s general election.

The 2014 school workforce census shows there are 255,100 full-time equivalent teaching assistants (TAs), an increase of 4.8 per cent on 2013.

The panel, a 12-member group made up of TAs, teachers and heads, prepared its recommendations on the “status and professionalism” of assistants in February, expecting them to be published shortly after.

They were initially told the delay was due to the upcoming election and purdah rules.

Schools Week reported last month that publication had been delayed six months, and was told by the DfE it would be released in “due course”.

Last week, however, schools minister Nick Gibb said education secretary Nicky Morgan had decided not to publish the draft standards.

We had a meeting of our pay committee the other day and I said that there was a review which had been delayed...and now it'll never be published.

They are a complete shambles and utterly disrespectful of the people who worked on this.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 10:17 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Oh FFS! The DfE really is a bloody joke.

The Teaching Assistants Standards report that NickyMorgan doesn’t want you to see

http://schoolsweek.co.uk/the-report-tha ... fe-report/

Standards for teaching assistants drawn up seven months ago by frontline volunteers have been ignored by ministers who are now refusing to publish the document.

The review of professional standards was launched by the Department for Education (DfE) last October, led by former coalition minister David Laws, a Lib Dem who lost his seat in May’s general election.

The 2014 school workforce census shows there are 255,100 full-time equivalent teaching assistants (TAs), an increase of 4.8 per cent on 2013.

The panel, a 12-member group made up of TAs, teachers and heads, prepared its recommendations on the “status and professionalism” of assistants in February, expecting them to be published shortly after.

They were initially told the delay was due to the upcoming election and purdah rules.

Schools Week reported last month that publication had been delayed six months, and was told by the DfE it would be released in “due course”.

Last week, however, schools minister Nick Gibb said education secretary Nicky Morgan had decided not to publish the draft standards.
We had a meeting of our pay committee the other day and I said that there was a review which had been delayed...and now it'll never be published.

They are a complete shambles and utterly disrespectful of the people who worked on this.

Professional
standards for
teaching assistants
Departmental advice for headteachers,
teachers, teaching assistants, governing
boards and employers

http://schoolsweek.co.uk/wp-content/upl ... cation.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 10:17 pm

Bonnylad wrote:Have seen the Manson 'dead' hoax dozens of times-no mention of it in any US papers.

Ah Mr Ohso saw it on face book...US Twitter is down so I thought that might be why I hadn't seen it. Sorry all...

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 11:28 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Was that affected to put an accent in précis?

Not at all. How could it be? I do it all the time. It might be 'affected' to italicise the word, mind...

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 11:39 pm

PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Was that affected to put an accent in précis?
Nah. It's no different to putting the f in sulphur . . . .

Sulpfhur? Sulfphur? Sfulphur? Suflphur - yep, that one'll do 'cause the stink of the stuff always makes me think I'm in danger of suflphurcating

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 15 Oct, 2015 11:42 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
refitman wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:McTernan got schooled today on Twitter about the Labour party rulebook. He is becoming an increasingly tragic figure, genuinely sad to see.
Here is said twitter discussion: https://storify.com/chrisbrooke/a-conve ... n-mcternan" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Wow. What a complete and utter gold-plated berk.

Plank. Total plank.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 16 Oct, 2015 12:03 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Dear me, just watched Graham Brady on the new grammar school come out at the end with something like "is it right in this day and age that central government should be telling people what schools they can have?"

You mean like this one saying that every new school has to be a free school?

Moron.

My thoughts, exactly!

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 16 Oct, 2015 12:12 am

Anyone else see the lady in the QT audience who vented at Amber Rudd saying that she had voted Conservative at the last election because she had trusted them when they said they would look after working people and wouldn't cut tax credits and now they've gone and done just that ... and she said she worked bloody hard to put a roof over her kids and food on the table and she was already struggling to pay the rent and now they were taking a load of money away from her ... and she was almost crying. ?

Amber Rudd's face .... she had been verbally slapped and hard.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 16 Oct, 2015 12:14 am

There's a short video attached to this tweet - can't put it here. But this is the furious, passionate outburst on QT I've just posted about.

Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 18m18 minutes ago
Watch: Tory voter's emotional speech slating Govt for cutting her tax credits. To Amber Rudd "Shame on you!" #bbcqt

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 16 Oct, 2015 12:18 am

BBC Question TimeVerified account
‏@bbcquestiontime
AUDIENCE: You are about to cut tax credits after promising you wouldn't. I can hardly afford my bills and you are going to take more from me

The Silver Fox ‏@wadefrance 45m45 minutes ago
@bbcquestiontime amber rudd couldn't even look that poor woman in the face.

Melanie Smith ‏@Cherrycakes76 43m43 minutes ago
@wadefrance @bbcquestiontime what a coward to not even acknowledge her

Jane Merrick ‏@janemerrick23 43m43 minutes ago
This will be George Osborne's 10p tax (as I wrote last month)

Barbara Keeley Retweeted
Jo Stevens ‏@JoStevensLabour 47m47 minutes ago
Hope Amber Rudd is suitably ashamed listening to woman in #bbcqt pleading, almost in tears for govt not to cut her #tax credits

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 16 Oct, 2015 12:28 am

Yes,just watched it.I don't know what to say.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 16 Oct, 2015 12:38 am

HindleA wrote:Yes,just watched it.I don't know what to say.

Neither did Amber Rudd ... and she really should have. Very telling - the idiotic and offensive lines the Tories have whipped up completely deserted her on this occasion when faced with a real person directly losing - contradicting all their nonsense spin.

Dimbleby just ignored her and swerved away to Labour party chaos ... words fail me on that.

LadyCentauria · Post by **LadyCentauria** » Fri 16 Oct, 2015 5:51 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:Anyone else see the lady in the QT audience who vented at Amber Rudd saying that she had voted Conservative at the last election because she had trusted them when they said they would look after working people and wouldn't cut tax credits and now they've gone and done just that ... and she said she worked bloody hard to put a roof over her kids and food on the table and she was already struggling to pay the rent and now they were taking a load of money away from her ... and she was almost crying. ?

Amber Rudd's face .... she had been verbally slapped and hard.

Yes, I saw and was crying with/for her as I listened. This is what Cameron, Osborne, and IDS, do to people - to good, responsible, hardworking people. People who bloody well trusted them and voted for them. The people who put them there are being shat upon from a great height. And people like Amber Rudd have no fucking respect and no fucking reply.

I hope that political interviewers (Andrew Neil, Murnaghan, etc.,) will show that video to their Tory 'guests' and not take the 'eight-out-of-ten wo'n't be affected' spiel as an answer.