Thursday 3rd December 2015

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 12:54 am

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Paul Nuttall, the Ukip deputy leader, has just accused Labour of relying disproportionately on Asian voters in Oldham
What does that mean?

They're somehow the wrong kind of voters I think Tubby.

It's just disgusting stuff.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 12:55 am

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Paul Nuttall, the Ukip deputy leader, has just accused Labour of relying disproportionately on Asian voters in Oldham
What does that mean?

Bad loser?

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 12:56 am

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Paul Nuttall, the Ukip deputy leader, has just accused Labour of relying disproportionately on Asian voters in Oldham
What does that mean?

I have no idea, have they completely lost the plot.

I guess there is a serious analysis to be done to look at how the vote split, because if the vote held up in all areas Nuttall can be shown to be an idiot.

Perhaps there some sort of Asian voter quota rule we were unaware of?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 12:56 am

Owen Jones ‏@OwenJones84 3m3 minutes ago
Owen Jones Retweeted Ronan Burtenshaw
UKIP calls British Asian voters voting for Labour "an affront to democracy". A party with contempt for this country.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 12:56 am

It's the same rule whereby Barrack Obama lost for not getting most of the white voters.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 12:57 am

seeingclearly wrote:Just caught up, with bloody great grin on my face, and just in time!

I bought my computer to bed. Can't do it normally as the clicking disturbs Mr Ohso...

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 12:57 am

Don't worry -"Miliband first comparable bye-election up 10%,a gentle warning,worse to come"

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 12:58 am

ohsocynical wrote:Bob Francis ‏@rob_francis 22 mins22 minutes ago

That scrumpling you can hear is Dan Hodges screwing up his "Why Oldham proves Corbyn is a failure" article #OldhamWest

I imagine Dan is having to re-write his article as the vote comes in. He probably isn't very happy about it.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 12:58 am

Emily Ashton ‏@elashton 3m3 minutes ago
Labour source says the party has won not only on postal votes but in polling stations today too.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 12:58 am

They played "White Christmas" through selected streets.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:00 am

Walking Abortion ‏@WalkingAb0rti0n 2 mins2 minutes ago England, United Kingdom

some very VERY racist UKIP style analysis of the by election from the BBC. #bbctw #OldhamWest

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:00 am

HindleA wrote:They played "White Christmas" through selected streets.

Awful

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:01 am

Thats a damn good result for Labour.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:01 am

ohsocynical wrote:
seeingclearly wrote:Just caught up, with bloody great grin on my face, and just in time!
I bought my computer to bed. Can't do it normally as the clicking disturbs Mr Ohso...

Small ipad here. Also tucked up. Went of to watch Last Kingdom and returned to this fantastic coverage from all.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:03 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Emily Ashton ‏@elashton 3m3 minutes ago
Labour source says the party has won not only on postal votes but in polling stations today too.

They have to have done convincingly as 60% plays what 25% ? and the postal vote is only 25% of the total cast. The BBC will need to show very large differential turnout to justify their Kipper analysis.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:03 am

Oldham West & Royton result:
LAB: 62.2% (+7.5)
UKIP: 23.3% (+2.7)
CON: 9.3% (-9.6)
LDEM: 3.7% (+0.0)
GRN: 0.9% (-1.0)
MRLP: 0.5% (+0.5)

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:04 am

ohsocynical wrote:
HindleA wrote:They played "White Christmas" through selected streets.

Awful

Disgraceful.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:05 am

Oldham West & Royton vote result:
LAB: 17298
UKIP: 6487
CON: 2596
LDEM: 1024
GRN: 249
MRLP: 141

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:06 am

Mohammed Ansar ‏@MoAnsar 20m20 minutes ago
No greater tribute can be paid to the late Michael Meacher, than his Oldham community uniting to say to the far right: YOU ARE NOT WELCOME.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:06 am

seeingclearly wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
HindleA wrote:They played "White Christmas" through selected streets.

Awful
Disgraceful.

Therefore my favourite UKIP tweet of the night from Mr Crick.

Michael Crick
@MichaelLCrick
Ukip deputy leader Paul Nuttall accuses Labour of engaging in "dangerous identity politics" in Oldham West and Royton campaign

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:07 am

Farage is now tweeting that he has evidence from an 'impeccable source' that 'postal voting was bent'.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:08 am

FFS,grow up you silly man.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:08 am

Disqualify all the postal votes then.

Still an easy win.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:08 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:Farage is now tweeting that he has evidence from an 'impeccable source' that 'postal voting was bent'.

FFS - Still lost even if the whole thing was rigged, which it clearly wasn't.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:09 am

Chris Cook Retweeted Emily Ashton
Theory: UKIP canvassed in the wrong country? Chris Cook added,

Emily Ashton @elashton
Nuttall says postal vote has "distorted the result", adding: "Is this Britain or is it Harare?"

Outright racism.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:10 am

Up in vote share.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:11 am

ohsocynical wrote:
Chris Cook Retweeted Emily Ashton
Theory: UKIP canvassed in the wrong country? Chris Cook added,

Emily Ashton @elashton
Nuttall says postal vote has "distorted the result", adding: "Is this Britain or is it Harare?"
Outright racism.

Outright stupidity as well, the boy is on a roll.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:11 am

So Labour's share of the vote really increased - even up from Meacher's spectacular share in 2015.

Well done McMahon and all those who helped him.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:15 am

martinson · Post by **martinson** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:15 am

Well worth waiting up for after such disappointment in the General Election (I wept in those early hours) It's so much more special in the face of the constant guff spewed out by the bulk of our media. I know that it's only one result but we seriously need some integrity returning to our politics and this feels like a little bit of it. We all needed this victory really and can I say we've deserved it with our constancy. Sorry if I've gone over the top somewhat but it feels good.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:16 am

Thankyou everyone who made it happen!

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:16 am

Owen Jones ‏@OwenJones84 10m10 minutes ago
Owen Jones Retweeted Britain Elects
Disastrous for UKIP. I bet Tory collapse of 9.6% went to UKIP. But UKIP went up by just 2.7%. Lost previous voters?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:20 am

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk ... 0-majority" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Labour win Oldham West by-election with 11,000 majority

martinson · Post by **martinson** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:22 am

The breaking news on BBC website banner is Labour win Oldham West with reduced majority! There's the proof of bias right there no mention of voter share. Disgraceful spin yet again. Come on you reds!!

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:23 am

A bit of a different feeling to this time in May. We deserved this one.

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:25 am

rebeccariots2 wrote:So it was news to me that their own party policy was against airstrikes. Who could have known?

UKIP policy is what the Manifesto says. Not the 2015 Manifesto, that's last election. The Manifesto for the 2020 election. Which doesn't exist but might one day. But when you read it you'll know what UKIP policy is right now. Or whatever Nigel says, or whatever the biggest bee in the individual kipper's bonnet happens to be.

And if a UKIP member, Parliamentary Party or MEP votes against party policy, or against each other and cancel their own votes out, that's great because it shows UKIP are democratic and allow members to use their brains and go with their conscience. Unless Corbyn gives the PLP a free vote on the same grounds when that's bad, very very bad. And undemocratic.

As I've mentioned before, I have kipper relatives. They're in their 60s and used to be Tories but thought they may "do better for themselves" in UKIP. What can I say? Meeting them can be like taking a trip through the looking glass and straight down the rabbit-hole. One fairly recent example being "you live that way, is it true there are signs up around Wolverhampton and Birmingham saying no whites allowed?"

"Erm.. No..."

"Ah, well (knowing look at Mrs TRG, a civil servant by trade). I suppose you have to say that...."

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:26 am

Shortly the BBC with much wailing and gnashing of teeth will be pleading for our support to keep the licence fee...

Mmmmm.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:27 am

Earlier than expected,better than expected,Lady C,I hope we did you proud.I bid goodnight to those still about.Thanks for the company.'Til the next time.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:30 am

Night everyone. I'm just about to fight insomnia...May the best old lady win....

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:32 am

Night all.

Excellent result.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:32 am

Almost never drink, but am sitting here sipping brandy, and thinking of everyone who has travelled with us these last four years, in particular Lady Centauria, but also everyone I can remember, and apologies to those I can't. I expect things to get bumpier, but thats ok, because I do think the mood of the country is actually turning. I know this waa an exceptional candidate, but think it is also a great vindication of good local candidates and share other thought on this above. And also of a special kind of solidarity here to rises above our differences. Exactly as it should.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:37 am

seeingclearly wrote:Almost never drink, but am sitting here sipping brandy, and thinking of everyone who has travelled with us these last four years, in particular Lady Centauria, but also everyone I can remember, and apologies to those I can't. I expect things to get bumpier, but thats ok, because I do think the mood of the country is actually turning. I know this waa an exceptional candidate, but think it is also a great vindication of good local candidates and share other thought on this above. And also of a special kind of solidarity here to rises above our differences. Exactly as it should.

Snap to that seeingclearly. I am taking my tot of brandy to bed now too!

Night all.

Post by **refitman** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:37 am

It's worth reading just the first page of comments under Sparrows blog (all pre-result). Hahahahaha

Rupert Nicholson
4h ago
32 33

First real test of Corbyn's leadership. Corbynites will no longer be able to claim the polls are bias against them.

PeterS378 cherryredguitar
4h ago
41 42

I see Momentum are getting their excuses in early. News bad, is it?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:37 am

But before I go ... From November 17th.

Dan Hodges ‏@DPJHodges Nov 17
Of course, if Corbynites are to be believed, Labour should win Oldham with increased majority. Given all those excited new members.

drkophyr Retweeted
Robert J F Barnes ‏@ToryEurosceptic Nov 17

@DPJHodges As someone who lives in #OldhamWest, @uklabour are arrogant if they think they will increase majority over @JohnBickleyUKIP

Nah, nah, na, nah, nah.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:38 am

Non-drinker-an extra sugar,I spoil myself

martinson · Post by **martinson** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:38 am

A comradely good night to everyone. You are a decent bunch.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:42 am

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... byelection" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Labour sweeps to conclusive victory in Oldham byelection
Jim McMahon defeats Ukip challenge with massive majority

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 1:55 am

Well, I've been pretty down all day. But the last couple of hours have cheered me up no end.

Well done Oldham Labour party.

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 2:14 am

HindleA wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... byelection

Labour sweeps to conclusive victory in Oldham byelection
Jim McMahon defeats Ukip challenge with massive majority

Well, yes - thank gods the sub-editor was paying attention. As for Helen Pidd, the actual author of the article, good grief. An extraordinary pile of frankly embarrassingly frothing ordure. I shall view even her bicycle reviews with a jaundiced eye from hence forth.

Heh, and I've just recalled a vague memory of her appointment as "North Of England Editor". Pretty sure her introductory article had an undertone of 'heading off into the wilderness, hope the natives are friendly'.

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Fri 04 Dec, 2015 2:17 am

It's a quarter past two in the morning.

Just the right time to pay my respects to a fellow night owl.

M'Lady.