Saturday 5th & Sunday 6th December 2015

frightful_oik · Post by **frightful_oik** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 9:22 pm

Time for our man of action pm to call a cobra!

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 9:26 pm

FOR YahYah

Christian May ‏@ChristianJMay 24 Jul 2014

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RT @MrHarryCole: Westminster Wolverines 2014. Missing Ranger, K. May, C. Whitehurst, A. < Am with you in spirit.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 9:31 pm

It's been blowing a gale down here. But no rain thank goodness.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 9:51 pm

Knifeman screams 'this is for Syria' in London tube machete attack
Tube station 'machete' attack sees up to three injured as reports say a man was tasered after slashing someone's throat

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ttack.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hope all FTNers are safe .

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:03 pm

We are safe but one of our apple trees isn't, and some of the greenhouse windows have blown out.
Three brief power cuts so far.
This is the worst wind since we moved here in 2002, we think.

On the plus side, it hasn't rained, yet.

Feeling sorry for anyone stuck on the A66, been there, done that, though in snow not wind and rain.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:07 pm

Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 52 secs52 seconds ago

Tomorrow's headlines are depressing. Many of us just wish MPs would unite behind Jeremy & stop leaking to the press

Oldham hasn't quieted Whatever They're Called, and now gasp, gasp, they're wondering if they are going to lose their places in the shadow cabinet.

Just for a minute lets forget they're MPs. Lets imagine they work for a large company. The company hires a new boss. Some of those under him don't like him much. They think they, or one of their circle should have got the job. From the day he's hired they start a whispering campaign, and then begin to openly show they don't agree with management's choice: they go to the press; the bad publicity starts to turn customers off.

What would you do?

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:14 pm

Rebecca wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Even the BBC has put inverted commas around the 'distress' that Simon Danczuk says he feels at the alleged death threat.
Maybe if he shut his gob for 5 minutes he wouldn't be getting death threats?
Perhaps somebody simply couldn't stand it another minute.

That is a fairly unacceptable comment. Danczuk is an arse but he turned a tiny majority in 2010 into a large one in 2015. He doesn't deserve death threats from mouth breathing activists.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:16 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 52 secs52 seconds ago

Tomorrow's headlines are depressing. Many of us just wish MPs would unite behind Jeremy & stop leaking to the press
Oldham hasn't quieted Whatever They're Called, and now gasp, gasp, they're wondering if they are going to lose their places in the shadow cabinet.

Just for a minute lets forget they're MPs. Lets imagine they work for a large company. The company hires a new boss. Some of those under him don't like him much. They think they, or one of their circle should have got the job. From the day he's hired they start a whispering campaign, and then begin to openly show they don't agree with management's choice: they go to the press; the bad publicity starts to turn customers off.

What would you do?

Organise a boardroom coup and depose the boss before his idiocy bankrupts the company.

Corbyn's allies were talking about Dianne Abbott as Shadow foreign secretary, these people are clearly bonkers.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:18 pm

Temulkar wrote:
HindleA wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... in-cruelty

Corbyn’s ‘new politics’ means the self-righteous left wallows in its cruelty
Nick Cohen
Clickbait.

I do like the accusations of racism and anti-semitism by association.

And now there's a Boffey article up:

Jeremy Corbyn critics fear ‘revenge reshuffle’ after election boost
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -reshuffle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:21 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Cohen is just going to recycle the same article for the next few years, then?

Presumably until Corbyn goes, yes. Then he will find something else to get excited about. He is an odd chap, always upset about the Labour Party. He seems to hate Blair and Corbyn in equal measure.

McDonnell has an amazingly off the wall article in the Guardian, if that is the grand strategy Labour is in serious trouble.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:21 pm

The increase in Labour's majority in Rochdale was almost solely due to the near total disappearance of the LibDems.

Danczuk can claim little credit for that, and nobody should give it to him. And if any Labour MP deserves deselection, it is he.

Post by **refitman** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:21 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 52 secs52 seconds ago

Tomorrow's headlines are depressing. Many of us just wish MPs would unite behind Jeremy & stop leaking to the press
Oldham hasn't quieted Whatever They're Called, and now gasp, gasp, they're wondering if they are going to lose their places in the shadow cabinet.

Just for a minute lets forget they're MPs. Lets imagine they work for a large company. The company hires a new boss. Some of those under him don't like him much. They think they, or one of their circle should have got the job. From the day he's hired they start a whispering campaign, and then begin to openly show they don't agree with management's choice: they go to the press; the bad publicity starts to turn customers off.

What would you do?
Organise a boardroom coup and depose the boss before his idiocy bankrupts the company.

Corbyn's allies were talking about Dianne Abbott as Shadow foreign secretary, these people are clearly bonkers.

Yes, and he gave the post to Benn. Who then used the closing of a debate to denounce the leader of the party. a little bit of fucking civility from the "moderates" wouldn't go amiss for a week. Hell, 5 minutes would be impressive from this bunch of self-centred, self-serving idiots.

All they have done for the last couple of months is undermine the party they claim to represent. Tweeting and texting journalists from shadow cabinet meetings is disrespectful beyond belief.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:23 pm

refitman wrote:
Temulkar wrote:
HindleA wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... in-cruelty

Corbyn’s ‘new politics’ means the self-righteous left wallows in its cruelty
Nick Cohen
Clickbait.
I do like the accusations of racism and anti-semitism by association.

And now there's a Boffey article up:
Jeremy Corbyn critics fear ‘revenge reshuffle’ after election boost
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -reshuffle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Don't go near the Telegraph then, they have been talking to a Corbyn strategist, or maybe they made it all up.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:26 pm

Genuine ask...I thought MPs were in deep doo-doo if they were caught lying to the House?

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:26 pm

refitman wrote:
TechnicalEphemera wrote:
ohsocynical wrote: Oldham hasn't quieted Whatever They're Called, and now gasp, gasp, they're wondering if they are going to lose their places in the shadow cabinet.

Just for a minute lets forget they're MPs. Lets imagine they work for a large company. The company hires a new boss. Some of those under him don't like him much. They think they, or one of their circle should have got the job. From the day he's hired they start a whispering campaign, and then begin to openly show they don't agree with management's choice: they go to the press; the bad publicity starts to turn customers off.

What would you do?
Organise a boardroom coup and depose the boss before his idiocy bankrupts the company.

Corbyn's allies were talking about Dianne Abbott as Shadow foreign secretary, these people are clearly bonkers.
Yes, and he gave the post to Benn. Who then used the closing of a debate to denounce the leader of the party. a little bit of fucking civility from the "moderates" wouldn't go amiss for a week. Hell, 5 minutes would be impressive from this bunch of self-centred, self-serving idiots.

All they have done for the last couple of months is undermine the party they claim to represent. Tweeting and texting journalists from shadow cabinet meetings is disrespectful beyond belief.

One thing Benn did not do was denounce the leader of the party. Of course the shadow cabinet found out about the result of the Monday meeting mid-way through the meeting because one of Corbyn's aides announced it on Twitter.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:27 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Genuine ask...I thought MPs were in deep doo-doo if they were caught lying to the House?

Used to be, not any more. Cameron does it all the time.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:28 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 52 secs52 seconds ago

Tomorrow's headlines are depressing. Many of us just wish MPs would unite behind Jeremy & stop leaking to the press
Oldham hasn't quieted Whatever They're Called, and now gasp, gasp, they're wondering if they are going to lose their places in the shadow cabinet.

Just for a minute lets forget they're MPs. Lets imagine they work for a large company. The company hires a new boss. Some of those under him don't like him much. They think they, or one of their circle should have got the job. From the day he's hired they start a whispering campaign, and then begin to openly show they don't agree with management's choice: they go to the press; the bad publicity starts to turn customers off.

What would you do?
Organise a boardroom coup and depose the boss before his idiocy bankrupts the company.

Corbyn's allies were talking about Dianne Abbott as Shadow foreign secretary, these people are clearly bonkers.

Can can you give an example?

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:28 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:Cohen is just going to recycle the same article for the next few years, then?
Presumably until Corbyn goes, yes. Then he will find something else to get excited about. He is an odd chap, always upset about the Labour Party. He seems to hate Blair and Corbyn in equal measure.

McDonnell has an amazingly off the wall article in the Guardian, if that is the grand strategy Labour is in serious trouble.

When he hated Blair, he loved the likes of Corbyn (he sneered in 2001 that he wouldn't vote for his "NuLab clone" Chris Smith - presumably a certain neighbouring MP would have been more to his tastes?) and it is now the other way around - he has also announced he is "no longer on the left". His attitude to media reform and Leveson has also been disgraceful, he has bleated all the mindless cliches about "threats to our free press".

In short, waste of space.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:40 pm

The mention of compulsive liars reminded me that IDS is on the Marr show tomorrow morning.

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:47 pm

Just starting to rain down here in the SW, so more on the way for the rest of you later.

Very blustery day today - MrsHJ, Sprog2 and I drove down to the Eden Project and the car was buffeted about a fair old bit. The good news was that over the winter they hold community weekends where various groups, such as public sector workers like teachers/TA's, NHS staff, emergency services, council employees, charity volunteers, suppliers &tc from across Devon & Cornwall get to visit for free, and this weekend home educators were amongst those invited, so off we toddled, saving £64 for the three of us. A lovely gesture, much appreciated, and a cracking (and educational, natch) day out. And I also see that they give free entry at anytime to a carer accompanying a disabled person. A nice organisation with principles entirely at odds to our dear leaders.

https://www.edenproject.com/visit/whats ... d-cornwall

*edit* Damnit, nearing PF levels of editing....

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:48 pm

Evening all

On the Shadow Cabinet

Benn has to resign or be sacked....the content of his speech was weak (good presentation though) and it is not credible that he closes for the Opposition by agreeing with the PM and trying to undermine his leader.

Corbyn should have moved him before really

The other 'pros' in the SC are different as they have different portfolios.

I thought the leader of the party was the person who chooses the Cabinet - I never remember it being a 'collective' decision who did what. Blair seemed to make his own decisions. TE seems to indicate that the SC can force the leader to resign

I would like to understand the mechanism for that?

As for the normal suspects - they are pathetic. Not for their opposition but for their approach

Post by **refitman** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:49 pm

Not entirely sure what's wrong with McDonnell's article.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ive-change" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 10:59 pm

HJ I am glad you had a good time at the Eden Project.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 11:07 pm

Temulkar wrote:
HindleA wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... in-cruelty

Corbyn’s ‘new politics’ means the self-righteous left wallows in its cruelty
Nick Cohen
Clickbait.

Sickening clickbait.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 11:08 pm

Cockermouth has been flooded again, the defences reinforced since 2009 have been breached

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 11:09 pm

gilsey wrote:We are safe but one of our apple trees isn't, and some of the greenhouse windows have blown out.
Three brief power cuts so far.
This is the worst wind since we moved here in 2002, we think.

On the plus side, it hasn't rained, yet.

Feeling sorry for anyone stuck on the A66, been there, done that, though in snow not wind and rain.

Sorry to hear about the greenhouse window blow outs. That happens to us when we have high winds - we've done lots of fiddly replacements. Hasn't happened in this storm - yet - fingers and everything crossed. We also have several fruit trees propped up ...

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 11:16 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Knifeman screams 'this is for Syria' in London tube machete attack
Tube station 'machete' attack sees up to three injured as reports say a man was tasered after slashing someone's throat

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... ttack.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hope all FTNers are safe .

I find this very upsetting for lots of reasons ... but it particularly gets to me because it's my old tube station ... I can see the scene so to speak.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 11:18 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
refitman wrote:
Temulkar wrote: Clickbait.
I do like the accusations of racism and anti-semitism by association.

And now there's a Boffey article up:
Jeremy Corbyn critics fear ‘revenge reshuffle’ after election boost
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -reshuffle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Don't go near the Telegraph then, they have been talking to a Corbyn strategist, or maybe they made it all up.

Given that it has given up any pretence of being an actual newspaper in the past year, they very possibly did.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 11:23 pm

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
Rebecca wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Even the BBC has put inverted commas around the 'distress' that Simon Danczuk says he feels at the alleged death threat.
Maybe if he shut his gob for 5 minutes he wouldn't be getting death threats?
Perhaps somebody simply couldn't stand it another minute.
That is a fairly unacceptable comment. Danczuk is an arse but he turned a tiny majority in 2010 into a large one in 2015. He doesn't deserve death threats from mouth breathing activists.

I've been reading pretty awful comments that when you unpick them, or even if you don't, are tantamount to death threats btl on theGuardian site, from every direction, left, right, north, south, you name it. The same in every form of social media. It is endemic. So why is it suddenly the fault of Labour, rather than a nasty social tendency?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sat 05 Dec, 2015 11:47 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/d ... es-missing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fears over increase in asylum-seeking children who go missing after arrival in UK
Councils struggle to cope with numbers of children who disappear and are at risk of exploitation by traffickers

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 12:02 am

TechnicalEphemera wrote:
refitman wrote:
Temulkar wrote: Clickbait.
I do like the accusations of racism and anti-semitism by association.

And now there's a Boffey article up:
Jeremy Corbyn critics fear ‘revenge reshuffle’ after election boost
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -reshuffle" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Don't go near the Telegraph then, they have been talking to a Corbyn strategist, or maybe they made it all up.

The Telegraph seems to have become your paper of choice TE....you like quoting it

Shame there is very little of the truth in it

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 12:04 am

Evening all.

I understand why my journey into town was delayed tonight...all they said was that it was due to an "ongoing incident".

My foul mood on missing the start of the gig I went to has now gone and I'm thinking now of the poor sods who were unlucky enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time with some maniac on the loose with a sharp implement...

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 12:16 am

HindleA wrote:HJ I am glad you had a good time at the Eden Project.

It was wonderful, and I'm really pleased that they included home schooled or educated, or whatever we call them, kids. If only because kids like Sprog2 won't be able to go on school trips there - Sprog1 didn't come with us today because, ironically enough, she's going with her school on Thursday. Although she'll get a full day with the whole educational experience with tuition from EP staff in first-rate dedicated facilities. I know this because Sprog2's school insisted I accompanied him when they went two years ago, as they did on any trip. Ask me about the trip to London to see the Viking longship that Sprog2 was flatly banned from, whether I went or not, though. Revenge is a dish best served cold. Heh.

So anyhoo, I'm new to home education, lots to learn, but getting access to places like the Eden Project on the same terms as schools is pretty high on the list already - trying to make contact with other local HEs is where we've already started, but we appear to have joined a disparate society. We're working on it though.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 12:21 am

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 12:33 am

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... a-visitors" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Doctors and unions attack plan to charge visitors for emergency NHS care

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 12:36 am

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -contracts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nicky Morgan forced to sack aide facing inquiry over IT contract
Former headteacher dismissed from academies in London after he allegedly awarded contracts to his partner

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 12:52 am

HindleA wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -contracts

Nicky Morgan forced to sack aide facing inquiry over IT contract
Former headteacher dismissed from academies in London after he allegedly awarded contracts to his partner

Greg Wallace – who was once described by Michael Gove, the former education secretary, as one of his “magnificent seven” academy superheads –

The education equivalent of the football chairman having full confidence in his manager...

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 1:54 am

Good lord, if this bombshell from the BBC doesn't lead to a COBRA meeting forthwith then I don't know what kind of natural disaster will. For pity's sake think of the poor hordes who rely on this integral part of London's transport infrastructure to go about their daily lives.

Cable care service shut due to high winds
Posted at 20:50

The Emirates Air Line cable car service over the River Thames between Greenwich Peninsula and the Royal Docks has been shut due to high winds

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 8:15 am

David Blunkett "Fears for democracy itself"

Those in Mr Corbyn’s cabal insist they do not heed the demands of some to remove from office those moderates who ‘voted the wrong way’ over Syria, but we moderates are not as stupid as they may think

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tself.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 8:16 am

@ Technical Ephemera ''mouth breathing activists''

What's with the insult to Labour people with blocked noses TE ?

Is it the anti-Corbyn brigade's slightly more PC version of the right wing troll's 'window lickers', or am I missing something ?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 8:19 am

Blunkett, his observations have proved to be so wrong recently, particularly about the 'disaster unfolding' for Labour in Oldham, so why would anyone pay him for his pot stirring ?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 8:25 am

ohsocynical wrote:
Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 52 secs52 seconds ago

Tomorrow's headlines are depressing. Many of us just wish MPs would unite behind Jeremy & stop leaking to the press
Oldham hasn't quieted Whatever They're Called, and now gasp, gasp, they're wondering if they are going to lose their places in the shadow cabinet.

Just for a minute lets forget they're MPs. Lets imagine they work for a large company. The company hires a new boss. Some of those under him don't like him much. They think they, or one of their circle should have got the job. From the day he's hired they start a whispering campaign, and then begin to openly show they don't agree with management's choice: they go to the press; the bad publicity starts to turn customers off.

What would you do?

It's remarkable that someone like Kevan Jones, openly squawking to the press that Corbyn is 'incompetent' is still in the Shadow Cabinet.
He should be out for using words like that, rather than being measured and calm in his criticism of the elected leader.

Let them cry Stalinist purge.
If it was a company scenario the large shareholder groups would call for, and senior management would 'purge' publicly troublesome stirrers for the sake of the business.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 8:34 am

Tecnical Ephemera @
''Corbyn's allies were talking about Dianne Abbott as Shadow foreign secretary, these people are clearly bonkers.''

I hope you weren't breathing out of your mouth when you typed that

Am just trying to remember what your view about the Livingstone/Kevan Jones spat was.
Did you complain about Livingstone using language about mental health then ?

Just asking.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 9:07 am

My resolution didn't last long.
& just for the avoidance of doubt, I am not in support of Diane Abbott being Foreign Secretary.

We are being told that 'Corbynistas' go round insulting people, it is also clear that strong feelings and insults about mental health etc exist on all sides.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 9:16 am

But The Independent on Sunday can reveal that Mr Corbyn’s team has been left incensed by continuing attacks on his leadership by moderate Labour MPs and has decided to break its silence on the abuse.

Sources close to the Labour leader have revealed that he has been forced to reassure MPs in private that he is not going to quit after being made aware of “smears” circulating Parliament about his fitness for the job – including the “categorically untrue” allegation that he briefly “passed out” under stress in his office last month.

''A shadow minister, who did not want to be named, went further – accusing anti-Corbyn MPs of being “prepared to spread lies about Jeremy’s health in order to assist them in their aim” of destroying his leadership.''

He added: “You can’t get much lower than spreading lies about someone’s health to undermine them and their ideas.

“It’s about time Labour MPs showed respect, not only to the elected leader but to the members of the Labour Party and also to the people around the country who support Labour.”

He also attacked MPs for complaining about being “abused” by left-wing activists online while abusing colleagues behind closed doors.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 62041.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bullying & aggression comes in all sorts of guises it seems.

Maybe it is time to really wash the dirty linen in public, get it out in the open.
Let's hear exactly what's been going on and who's been saying what all the while they are posing as victims of Corbyn in the media.

If not, I'll be following Ephie.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 9:20 am

I suspect aiming for a broad left coalition will require exploring where we overlap as much as identifying where we don't.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 9:35 am

Hard to imagine doing that when so much malice and media manipulation is going on though Tiny.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 9:43 am

The medias war footing on Corbyn and Syria.

https://markcurtis.wordpress.com/2015/1 ... and-syria/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 9:58 am

The dynamics of compassion.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-ko ... ifications" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Sun 06 Dec, 2015 10:24 am

RobertSnozers wrote:
yahyah wrote:
ohsocynical wrote: Oldham hasn't quieted Whatever They're Called, and now gasp, gasp, they're wondering if they are going to lose their places in the shadow cabinet.

Just for a minute lets forget they're MPs. Lets imagine they work for a large company. The company hires a new boss. Some of those under him don't like him much. They think they, or one of their circle should have got the job. From the day he's hired they start a whispering campaign, and then begin to openly show they don't agree with management's choice: they go to the press; the bad publicity starts to turn customers off.

What would you do?
It's remarkable that someone like Kevan Jones, openly squawking to the press that Corbyn is 'incompetent' is still in the Shadow Cabinet.
He should be out for using words like that, rather than being measured and calm in his criticism of the elected leader.

Let them cry Stalinist purge.
If it was a company scenario the large shareholder groups would call for, and senior management would 'purge' publicly troublesome stirrers for the sake of the business.
The behaviour of MPs is astonishing. I've worked for a number of organisations where the Chief Exec changed after I joined, or I got a new boss, or in one case someone was promoted over my head. I either left or I worked with it. If I'd thrown my toys out the pram and made life as difficult as possible for the new boss I could hardly complain at being warned, then disciplined, then sacked if I continued.

To quote Malcolm Tucker, 'Come the **** in, or **** the **** off.'

Some of these MPs seem to have completely forgotten why Corbyn is the leader of the opposition,and,in fact,why Labour are the opposition.
Labour lost the last two elections.Badly in 2015.Members of the previous frontbenches need to accept a little responsibility,not just allow all the blame to land on Ed.
Really,some of them were pretty rubbish.
And that's why Corbyn was voted leader with such a huge mandate.
How on earth do the MPs who are whining ,and plotting ,and disrespecting the outcome of the leadership election expect things to stay as they were?They failed,badly.
How can they complain that Corbyn will be unelectable,which they cannot know,without admitting that they WERE unelectable.Twice.In a row.
Also,I have little sympathy for those who voted to bomb Syria,absolutely knowing that civilians will be killed by our bombs,crying themselves to sleep because of a few nasty emails or tweets.They need to suck it up,and feel lucky that they won't be cowering in their homes under bomb attack and watching their family die.
Of course,internet threats of violence are not pleasant,but seriously,ask any nurse,health visitor,social worker or police officer if they haven't been threatened in person.
I certainly was,including verbal death threats in a child abuse case.Everybody just got on with their jobs.