Thursday 10th February 2015

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 1:01 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
HindleA wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... are_btn_tw
Now Britain needs clothes banks too. What sort of society are we living in?
Frances Ryan
A Tory society.

One that makes you want to weep.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 1:26 pm

Wonder how long before others follow suit?

Independent owner considering closing national print titles

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/f ... int-titles

The owner of the Independent and Independent on Sunday is considering closing the national print titles and moving to a web-only operation.

Evgeny Lebedev and his top lieutenants have not yet made a final decision, however it is widely expected that they will cease printing the 30-year old newspaper, leading to significant job losses.

The move has been prompted by Lebedev’s decision to sell the i, the cut-price national title which props up the Independent, to Johnston Press in a £25m cash deal.

Assuming the sale goes through, Lebedev is expected to seek to invest the proceeds into further developing the independent.co.uk website into an international digital newsbrand – while ending the newspapers.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 1:34 pm

CJA, hope things are ok.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 1:36 pm

Dr Phil Hammond

If @Jeremy_Hunt cared about the NHS he would step down. Imposition is dangerous & unecessary when a new contract could be properly trialled.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 1:37 pm

I like that. It is a very principled stand the doctors are making. Unambiguous, and decent people will see that.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 1:38 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2016/f ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tenant evictions reach highest level on record

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 1:39 pm

Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 1h1 hour ago
Hunt says his decision to impose contract on junior doctors today proves 'The Conservatives are the true party of the NHS'

Are people really going to buy that gross misappropriation of the NHS? Really?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 1:40 pm

Welsh GovernmentVerified account
‏@WelshGovernment
#Juniordoctors from any part of the UK interested in working in Wales will find a very warm welcome here

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 1:41 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Welsh GovernmentVerified account
‏@WelshGovernment
#Juniordoctors from any part of the UK interested in working in Wales will find a very warm welcome here

Lower house prices too, lots of fresh air and beautiful countryside.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 1:51 pm

Joe Watts ‏@JoeWatts_ 9m9 minutes ago
Sacré bleu! Cameron's "watered down" EU deal, watered down again by other EU leaders, by @JoeMurphyLondon http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 77971.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

I expect they're hoping no one will notice.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 1:56 pm

yahyah wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Welsh GovernmentVerified account
‏@WelshGovernment
#Juniordoctors from any part of the UK interested in working in Wales will find a very warm welcome here

Lower house prices too, lots of fresh air and beautiful countryside.

Pretty good cultural life too. I am often very pleasantly surprised by how much is on offer around here. We've got 3 cinema screens in Theatre Mwldan - plus a thriving theatre and live events venue - with another community focused arts venue next door to it offering lots of classes and projects. Rhosygilwen up the road offers lots of music, lectures, participative projects and master classes in a beautiful setting.

And I go to possibly the best quality Pilates class I have ever experienced - and I'm saying that as an ex dancer - I know my Pilates.

martinson · Post by **martinson** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 2:02 pm

Good afternoon.
As others have said on here, Jeremy Hunt is trying to demonise the doctors by describing the dispute in terms of Saturday working when the reality is it's about Government funding.
I have seen a comment that sums this Hunt logic up, (logicunt?)
'What Jeremy Hunt thinks is that by dividing 5 pints of water into 7 containers you suddenly have 7 pints of water!'.
In my view the doctors by their very nature don't like being in the spotlight in this way and are fighting on our behalf for the future of the NHS. How can we help them?

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 2:03 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Joe Watts ‏@JoeWatts_ 9m9 minutes ago
Sacré bleu! Cameron's "watered down" EU deal, watered down again by other EU leaders, by @JoeMurphyLondon http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics ... 77971.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
I expect they're hoping no one will notice.

It's becoming so diluted its almost homeopathic

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 2:06 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 1h1 hour ago
Hunt says his decision to impose contract on junior doctors today proves 'The Conservatives are the true party of the NHS'
Are people really going to buy that gross misappropriation of the NHS? Really?

Polling suggests that few will

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 2:08 pm

And Mr Hunt faced another rebellion from NHS chief executives after publishing a list of 20 of them who backed Sir David's letter calling for a deal.

...

Some of them removed their names from the list, saying they had never backed imposition of the contract.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02 ... mg00000067" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What an utter .......................

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 2:12 pm

http://colinwiles.com/2016/02/11/sucking-the-state-dry/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sucking the state dry

Colin Wiles

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 2:15 pm

No 10 faces legal challenge over ministerial code rewrite
Rights group launches appeal to restore obligation that ministers had ‘overarching duty’ to uphold international law
http://www.theguardian.com/law/2016/feb ... tional-law" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 2:19 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
And Mr Hunt faced another rebellion from NHS chief executives after publishing a list of 20 of them who backed Sir David's letter calling for a deal.

...

Some of them removed their names from the list, saying they had never backed imposition of the contract.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02 ... mg00000067" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What an utter .......................

That list wasn't put together by the same idiot that did the "small business owners" debacle during the election was it?

Same type of "ask one question, use answer for a different purpose" propaganda.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 2:21 pm

Martin Rowson
Of course the absolutely worst governments are those dominated by the crashingly mediocre trying to look tough. So that's that box ticked

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 2:25 pm

George Osborne's brother struck off after affair with vulnerable patient
Psychiatrist Dr Adam Osborne’s fitness to practice was impaired by misconduct over two-year affair, medical tribunal found
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016 ... l-tribunal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What to say ....

Wish the media would think twice before using words like 'affair' - not sure that's appropriate given the relative positions and circumstances of the individuals concerned.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 2:32 pm

Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 4m4 minutes ago
Paul Waugh Retweeted James Blunt
Things really are bad for Hunt when this happens.

James BluntVerified account
‏@JamesBlunt
I'm officially handing over my Cockney Rhyming title to @Jeremy_Hunt

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 2:51 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
George Osborne's brother struck off after affair with vulnerable patient
Psychiatrist Dr Adam Osborne’s fitness to practice was impaired by misconduct over two-year affair, medical tribunal found
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016 ... l-tribunal" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
What to say ....

Wish the media would think twice before using words like 'affair' - not sure that's appropriate given the relative positions and circumstances of the individuals concerned.

Inappropriate sexual relationship. If it walks like a duck....

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 2:59 pm

Osborne's brother is lucky his profession isn't treated like teachers. He's be facing jail.

martinson · Post by **martinson** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 3:06 pm

Worth a read.

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martinson · Post by **martinson** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 3:07 pm

Worth a read.

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 3:09 pm

From Politics Live, Guardian -

Professor John Schofield, president of the Hospital Consultants and Specialists Association which is the union for senior doctors said it showed a lack of respects[sic] for the entire medical profession.

It will steel consultants and other senior specialist grades... in their dealings with government over the impending new consultant contract.

We fear that senior doctors, who are the government’s next target, will increasingly vote with their feet alongside their juniors rather than wait around to be used as target practice by politicians in whom they have now totally lost faith.

Maybe Jeremy Hunt should have picked on someone his own size . . . .

This doesn't augur well for him.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 3:17 pm

Hunt is not a cunt. That would imply there is some warmth and depth involved.

He is the lackey of Murdoch, he is the serf of private healthcare, and he is an utter moron with all the charm of a scorpion.

What he has done and said today shows that he is all that plus sufficiently deluded to believe he is actually clever.

Has he no conception of the academic rigour and high intelligence that's required to get through medical school?
He is dealing with people who are among the brightest in the country - just who does he think he is to patronise them?

He is a grubby stain on the body politic. Next time he hides behind a tree I hope it comes crashing down on him.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 3:22 pm

HindleA wrote:http://colinwiles.com/2016/02/11/sucking-the-state-dry/

Sucking the state dry

Colin Wiles

Very good and pertinent article.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 3:27 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
And Mr Hunt faced another rebellion from NHS chief executives after publishing a list of 20 of them who backed Sir David's letter calling for a deal.

...

Some of them removed their names from the list, saying they had never backed imposition of the contract.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02 ... mg00000067" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What an utter .......................
That list wasn't put together by the same idiot that did the "small business owners" debacle during the election was it?

#Same type of "ask one question, use answer for a different purpose" propaganda.

Exactly that, according to at least one person on the list.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 3:34 pm

PorFavor wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/02 ... mg00000067" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What an utter .......................
That list wasn't put together by the same idiot that did the "small business owners" debacle during the election was it?

#Same type of "ask one question, use answer for a different purpose" propaganda.
Exactly that, according to at least one person on the list.

Wasn't Karen Lady Brady involved in the small business owners letter?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 3:44 pm

StephenDolan wrote: Wasn't Karen Lady Brady involved in the small business owners letter?

Yes it was. I don't recall her ever saying that she'd messed up or misrepresented people's views.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 3:45 pm

Labour Uncut
‏@LabourUncut
Government doubles down on boundary review proposals. Labour’s problems just got worse says @GreigAtGuide http://labour-uncut.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 3:51 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Labour Uncut
‏@LabourUncut
Government doubles down on boundary review proposals. Labour’s problems just got worse says @GreigAtGuide http://labour-uncut.co.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Includes:

It’s also the reason Corbyn might welcome the review, as it lets his team get cracking with deselecting more of those pesky, voter-friendly, centrist Labour MPs.
Oh, f$%^ off

It's incredibly tedious, childish and self-defeating (for the Labour Party), isn't it? And I'm not even that enthused by Jeremy Corbyn.

Edited

a "y" for an "e"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 3:55 pm

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ron-legacy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Slothful and slapdash: the housing bill tells us everything about the Tories
Helen Lewis

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 4:18 pm

Did she manage to crowbar in any gratuitous anti-Jez/"Corbynista" references?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 4:20 pm

Just thinking about the EU vote...that latest poll showed 17% undecided.

In a more calm economic environment it would easy to imagine those going for Leave on the basis that it can't do much harm.

But right now with the markets as they are - especially if the vote is in June?

Not so sure. Wouldn't mind betting that people decide to stick with where we are rather than risk it.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 4:31 pm

For lots of reasons I found this article about the TATA plant at Port Talbot a bit odd. Not that it wasn't interesting, Heinz tins and two pence pieces, just odd. See what you think.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016 ... orks-blaze" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 4:46 pm

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dy ... ho-7352257" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dying ex-soldier with Alzheimer's who is bedridden in care home gets sent a fitness to work form by DWP

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:18 pm

Giles Fraser ‏@giles_fraser Feb 8
I’m not much of a nationalist. I welcome migrants. But I want out of the EU. For me, its all about democracy.

Jeez.

This is his organization.

http://www.christiansforbritain.org/people/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

People there would have him shot. Why can't he see this?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:22 pm

It's not quite as bad as Labour Leave, but not far off.

"The real case for entry has never been spelled out, which is that there should be a fully federal Europe in which we become a province. It hasn't been spelled out because people would never accept it. We are at the moment on a federal escalator, moving as we talk, going towards a federal objective we do not wish to reach. In practice, Britain will be governed by a European coalition government that we cannot change, dedicated to a capitalist or market economy theology. This policy is to be sold to us by projecting an unjustified optimism about the Community, and an unjustified pessimism about the United Kingdom, designed to frighten us in."
Tony Benn (1975)

A quote from 1975 that turned out to be utter bollocks.

Great stuff.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:22 pm

Patients Associations call Hunt's imposition,appalling and unacceptable.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:28 pm

Six on the list so far,stating they do not agree with Hunt's position.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:30 pm

Caroline Lucas is all over one of the Yes campaigns.

If she and others hadn't arsed about supporting a referendum, maybe we wouldn't be in the shit we now are.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:33 pm

Now it's 7.

Shaun Lintern
‏@ShaunLintern
Now 7 NHS chiefs - Sir Andrew Cash from @SheffieldHosp says he does not support imposition. He does support Dalton's deal #juniorcontract

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:36 pm

FWIW,I've had correspondence with him,know him slightly.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:40 pm

With Mr Ohso at the hospital for his pre-op today. {He goes in Monday for another look in his bladder}
Appointment for just gone 12. Finally finished all the checks at 2:30. It's only ever taken half that time before.

One elderly lady had been there since 11:30, and got out around five minutes before us.

There was a noticeable lack of nursing and clerical staff - many were said to be ill, and what staff were on duty were straight faced and quiet. We've come to know them quite well, but today it was like being in a different, unknown hospital.

I wouldn't wish ill health on anyone, but will find it very hard to hold my tongue if, in future, a Conservative voter voices disapproval at their treatment, or what's more likely, lack of it.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:41 pm

HindleA wrote:FWIW,I've had correspondence with him,know him slightly.

I'm trusting you mean Cash and not Rhyming Slang HindleA?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:43 pm

Can you imagine what being on Hunt's list of those favouring the imposition of contracts on junior doctors might do for local staff relations and turnover in their respective Trusts and services? I think I too would be making very sure I distanced myself from it if I hadn't intended to have my name used in that way.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:43 pm

Yes,it was some time ago.He has been there for decades.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:48 pm

http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/go ... -councils/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Government agrees four more years of ILF transition cash for councils