Thursday 10th February 2015

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:50 pm

Alastair McLellan ‏@HSJEditor 6m6 minutes ago
Alastair McLellan Retweeted Joe Harrison
Now EIGHT CEOs from Dalton letter saying they don't support #juniorcontract imposition

Can't keep up with this. Typing speed not fast enough.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:51 pm

Hearing the news about gravitational waves made me think of our much missed LadyCentauria.
She'd have been so excited by it.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:52 pm

Consultation on ILF transition grant.

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultat ... ient-grant" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:56 pm

ohsocynical wrote:With Mr Ohso at the hospital for his pre-op today. {He goes in Monday for another look in his bladder}
Appointment for just gone 12. Finally finished all the checks at 2:30. It's only ever taken half that time before.

One elderly lady had been there since 11:30, and got out around five minutes before us.

There was a noticeable lack of nursing and clerical staff - many were said to be ill, and what staff were on duty were straight faced and quiet. We've come to know them quite well, but today it was like being in a different, unknown hospital.

I wouldn't wish ill health on anyone, but will find it very hard to hold my tongue if, in future, a Conservative voter voices disapproval at their treatment, or what's more likely, lack of it.

Hope Mr Ohso will be allright.
I was in general nursing when Thatcher stole the heart out of the NHS.THIS lot have simply taken the soul.
If I had my way,one of the first questions asked of patients would be 'did you vote Tory?'.
Those who say yes could then sit on a trolley all night in a corridor.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:57 pm

One of them was Dalton,himself.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:58 pm

yahyah wrote:Hearing the news about gravitational waves made me think of our much missed LadyCentauria.
She'd have been so excited by it.

I miss her middle of the night posts...

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:58 pm

How can Jeremy Hunt get away with imposing a contract on junior doctors? Look no further than the other Jeremy
The normal restraints of Parliamentary democracy no longer apply – the Government has a freedom to take unpopular decisions with little threat of electoral payback
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why ... 67841.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FFS. Like the Tories haven't been working towards this since 2010 - no from before 2010. They were, sadly, ably abetted by the Lib Dems. More blame should be flung at them than Corbyn. They would be doing this whoever was leading Labour. What a low in journalism we have reached.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 5:59 pm

So do I particularly her through the night election coverage.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:00 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
yahyah wrote:Hearing the news about gravitational waves made me think of our much missed LadyCentauria.
She'd have been so excited by it.
I miss her middle of the night posts...

I miss everything about her posts - including the menus and recipes.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:02 pm

Jon Trickett ‏@jon_trickett 4m4 minutes ago
A fantastic sight now outside Dept of Health: junior docs protest and many passing taxi Drivers hooting in solidarity

Imagine how nasty and dismissive the Tories are going to be about nurses, paramedics and other health professionals if they think they can get away with this treatment of junior doctors?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:05 pm

Association of Surgeons in Training Response

http://asit.org/news/imposition" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:06 pm

Very powerful stuff.

The Guardian ‏@guardian 1m1 minute ago
Junior doctors respond to Jeremy Hunt: http://t.gu.com/YdLLP" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; #juniorcontract

(Sorry if that sounded a bit Hannah Waldram PF and those who understand.)

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:11 pm

Shaun Lintern ‏@ShaunLintern 5m5 minutes ago
@jsm @johannmalawana It is now nine with the addition of Peter Homa from Notts Hospitals

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:14 pm

Didn't the doctors threaten to all resign - can't remember the date ? 2001 ? - when Blair was PM.
It was over their contract negotiations, not long before a general election .

Or was it just GPs ?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:18 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Jon Trickett ‏@jon_trickett 4m4 minutes ago
A fantastic sight now outside Dept of Health: junior docs protest and many passing taxi Drivers hooting in solidarity
Imagine how nasty and dismissive the Tories are going to be about nurses, paramedics and other health professionals if they think they can get away with this treatment of junior doctors?

I'm just waiting for those smug 'I'm all right Jacks', with a bit of private health cover thanks to their jobs, to get really sick.

Or see their faces when they try to get insurance to cover their family for all eventualities.

And of course all the blue rinses who helped Cameron get in, when they have to start paying for their prescriptions.
I probably won't be here to see it, but rest assured if I'm able to watch events unfold, I'll be shouting 'suck it up', as loud as I can...

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:19 pm

yahyah wrote:Didn't the doctors threaten to all resign - can't remember the date ? 2001 ? - when Blair was PM.
It was over their contract negotiations, not long before a general election .

Or was it just GPs ?

The GP contract renegotiation was the biggy during the Blair years. It's when out of hours was allowed to be opted out of ... and that was a deeply unpopular cave in. Tends to be used to haunt / diss Labour rather frequently ...

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:20 pm

seeingclearly wrote:For lots of reasons I found this article about the TATA plant at Port Talbot a bit odd. Not that it wasn't interesting, Heinz tins and two pence pieces, just odd. See what you think.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016 ... orks-blaze" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thing that struck me as a problem with the article is it doesn't put into context just how much steel port Talbot can produce,

Might have got maths wrong, and all figures are from google but:-

Port Talbot's weekly capacity 48000 tonnes of steel,
values of 2p coins produced in a year (2011) , 151 million
1 ton of 2p coins = 145000 coins,
so approx. 1000 tonnes of steel per years 2ps production
would take 3 hours to roll.??

Same thing happens when talking about things like amount of steel needed for say crossrail,
it's useful, but not enough to keep a big mill busy for long.

martinson · Post by **martinson** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:21 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
yahyah wrote:Hearing the news about gravitational waves made me think of our much missed LadyCentauria.
She'd have been so excited by it.
I miss her middle of the night posts...
I miss everything about her posts - including the menus and recipes.

I always enjoyed Lady C's comments and like many here miss her as a friend. I wonder if she is responsible for the waves? She would love it.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:22 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
yahyah wrote:Hearing the news about gravitational waves made me think of our much missed LadyCentauria.
She'd have been so excited by it.
I miss her middle of the night posts...

I do too.

I am missing Toby as well, and wonder how he is getting on.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:27 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
How can Jeremy Hunt get away with imposing a contract on junior doctors? Look no further than the other Jeremy
The normal restraints of Parliamentary democracy no longer apply – the Government has a freedom to take unpopular decisions with little threat of electoral payback
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why ... 67841.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
FFS. Like the Tories haven't been working towards this since 2010 - no from before 2010. They were, sadly, ably abetted by the Lib Dems. More blame should be flung at them than Corbyn. They would be doing this whoever was leading Labour. What a low in journalism we have reached.

It is journalisms real role to help hold government to account, I was taught that by a wonderful editor.*

Alas, in this country something is awry with journalism and has been for a long time.

*He would have had me for absence of apostrophes, as some of you would probably like to!

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:28 pm

Radio 4 this morning played a tape of gravitational waves represented in sound form.
It sounded just like something from The Clangers.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:31 pm

Another shot in the bows from the supposedly staunch Conservative Yorkshire Post ...

The Yorkshire Post ‏@yorkshirepost 26m26 minutes ago
Tom Richmond: The North is fast losing all its faith in you, Mr Osborne

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opi ... -1-7726309" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

... The belief that the Northern Powerhouse is a token PR exercise is highlighted by a Government forward planning document which, helpfully, reveals major speeches being planned. This includes a “Northern Powerhouse ministerial starburst” in April ahead of the initiative’s second anniversary. A “starburst”? What is this? A kind of sweetener to keep critics quiet? I’d say it’s some kind of wheeze that Mr Osborne picked up at the Super Bowl but the briefing document was, in fact, written before this ill-advised jaunt.

What it is, however, is evidence about the extent to which the Government puts political spin before economic substance and why the Chancellor must use next month’s Budget to regain the initiative...

A ministerial 'starburst' -

- the canny people of Yorkshire are right to smell a rat - it stinks of PR crap. It stinks of Osborne and Cameron.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:35 pm

seeingclearly wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
How can Jeremy Hunt get away with imposing a contract on junior doctors? Look no further than the other Jeremy
The normal restraints of Parliamentary democracy no longer apply – the Government has a freedom to take unpopular decisions with little threat of electoral payback
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why ... 67841.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
FFS. Like the Tories haven't been working towards this since 2010 - no from before 2010. They were, sadly, ably abetted by the Lib Dems. More blame should be flung at them than Corbyn. They would be doing this whoever was leading Labour. What a low in journalism we have reached.
It is journalisms real role to help hold government to account, I was taught that by a wonderful editor. Alas, in this country something is awry with journalism and has been for a long time.

I read yesterday we have the most right wing press in Europe...

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:35 pm

seeingclearly wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
How can Jeremy Hunt get away with imposing a contract on junior doctors? Look no further than the other Jeremy
The normal restraints of Parliamentary democracy no longer apply – the Government has a freedom to take unpopular decisions with little threat of electoral payback
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why ... 67841.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
FFS. Like the Tories haven't been working towards this since 2010 - no from before 2010. They were, sadly, ably abetted by the Lib Dems. More blame should be flung at them than Corbyn. They would be doing this whoever was leading Labour. What a low in journalism we have reached.
It is journalisms real role to help hold government to account, I was taught that by a wonderful editor. Alas, in this country something is awry with journalism and has been for a long time.

There are plenty of other parties to vote for if people are unhappy with the Tories. The Tories have a majority because people voted for them, and will continue to vote for them just as long as the media keep presenting risible proclamations, such as needing the new doctors contract to achieve 7 day NHS, as credible statements, rather than the steaming pile of horse manure they actually are.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:37 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Another shot in the bows from the supposedly staunch Conservative Yorkshire Post ...

The Yorkshire Post ‏@yorkshirepost 26m26 minutes ago
Tom Richmond: The North is fast losing all its faith in you, Mr Osborne

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opi ... -1-7726309" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

... The belief that the Northern Powerhouse is a token PR exercise is highlighted by a Government forward planning document which, helpfully, reveals major speeches being planned. This includes a “Northern Powerhouse ministerial starburst” in April ahead of the initiative’s second anniversary. A “starburst”? What is this? A kind of sweetener to keep critics quiet? I’d say it’s some kind of wheeze that Mr Osborne picked up at the Super Bowl but the briefing document was, in fact, written before this ill-advised jaunt.

What it is, however, is evidence about the extent to which the Government puts political spin before economic substance and why the Chancellor must use next month’s Budget to regain the initiative...
A ministerial 'starburst' - - the canny people of Yorkshire are right to smell a rat - it stinks of PR crap. It stinks of Osborne and Cameron.

Osborne's probably going to turn up brandishing a packet of Opal Fruits - they were recently rebranded as Starburst.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:41 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:Another shot in the bows from the supposedly staunch Conservative Yorkshire Post ...

The Yorkshire Post ‏@yorkshirepost 26m26 minutes ago
Tom Richmond: The North is fast losing all its faith in you, Mr Osborne

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opi ... -1-7726309" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

... The belief that the Northern Powerhouse is a token PR exercise is highlighted by a Government forward planning document which, helpfully, reveals major speeches being planned. This includes a “Northern Powerhouse ministerial starburst” in April ahead of the initiative’s second anniversary. A “starburst”? What is this? A kind of sweetener to keep critics quiet? I’d say it’s some kind of wheeze that Mr Osborne picked up at the Super Bowl but the briefing document was, in fact, written before this ill-advised jaunt.

What it is, however, is evidence about the extent to which the Government puts political spin before economic substance and why the Chancellor must use next month’s Budget to regain the initiative...
A ministerial 'starburst' - - the canny people of Yorkshire are right to smell a rat - it stinks of PR crap. It stinks of Osborne and Cameron.

Starburst, previously known as "opal fruits"
current slogan: "unexplainably juicy"?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:42 pm

: QT Panel Tonight.jpg (47.53 KiB) Viewed 4914 times

Don't think I can bring myself to watch. 3 of my least favourite people on it ... and I'm not talking about Romesh.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:43 pm

Starburst. Something that lasts a few seconds. A sticky sweet. Not a beginning but an end. etc. etc. etc.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:43 pm

tinybgoat wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:Another shot in the bows from the supposedly staunch Conservative Yorkshire Post ...

The Yorkshire Post ‏@yorkshirepost 26m26 minutes ago
Tom Richmond: The North is fast losing all its faith in you, Mr Osborne

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opi ... -1-7726309" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

... The belief that the Northern Powerhouse is a token PR exercise is highlighted by a Government forward planning document which, helpfully, reveals major speeches being planned. This includes a “Northern Powerhouse ministerial starburst” in April ahead of the initiative’s second anniversary. A “starburst”? What is this? A kind of sweetener to keep critics quiet? I’d say it’s some kind of wheeze that Mr Osborne picked up at the Super Bowl but the briefing document was, in fact, written before this ill-advised jaunt.

What it is, however, is evidence about the extent to which the Government puts political spin before economic substance and why the Chancellor must use next month’s Budget to regain the initiative...
A ministerial 'starburst' - - the canny people of Yorkshire are right to smell a rat - it stinks of PR crap. It stinks of Osborne and Cameron.
Starburst, previously known as "opal fruits"
current slogan: "unexplainably juicy"?

It gets worse -
Starburst ‏@Starburst Feb 10
About to unwrap a Starburst? Tell your tongue to grab an umbrella because it’s about to be showered with juiciness

Hope the poor sods in Yorkshire remember to take their macs and brollies when the Tory PR bandwagon rolls into town.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:43 pm

seeingclearly wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
yahyah wrote:Hearing the news about gravitational waves made me think of our much missed LadyCentauria.
She'd have been so excited by it.
I miss her middle of the night posts...
I do too.

I am missing Toby as well, and wonder how he is getting on.

He's been absent for rather a long time ... Worrying

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:44 pm

Bill Esterson ‏@Bill_Esterson 4m4 minutes ago
Bill Esterson Retweeted Jon Stone
You really couldn't make that up

Jon StoneVerified account ‏@joncstone
Jeremy Hunt forces junior doctors into a contract they don't want, then launches urgent inquiry into morale http://ind.pn/1SjGVWp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:44 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
QT Panel Tonight.jpg
Don't think I can bring myself to watch. 3 of my least favourite people on it ... and I'm not talking about Romesh.

I bet Goody Two Shoes Wood spends more time bashing Carwyn than Crabb or Farage.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:47 pm

yahyah wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
QT Panel Tonight.jpg
Don't think I can bring myself to watch. 3 of my least favourite people on it ... and I'm not talking about Romesh.

I bet Goody Two Shoes Wood spends more time bashing Carwyn than Crabb or Farage.

Oh yes, that's a given.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:50 pm

I've got a bit hysterical about the starburst thing.
My Yorkshire husband's response to hearing about it was at first unprintable. He's now wandering around darkly muttering 'Northern Powerhouse' and suggesting Castleford's rugby front row are there to meet Osborne.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:51 pm

Night all. Hope JA's getting some respite from her eye problem.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:51 pm

OGRPPFGTCC has now decided to postpone any vote on Trident until after the EU referendum.

I can't decide if this is laziness, cowardice, or just more political manoeuvring to embarrass Labour.

On embarrassment - what has cheered me on what has been a pretty dismal day is that now nearly half of the NHS executives who were said to be supporters of Hunt's new contract, er, aren't.
These people are very senior and experienced managers, some of them are extremely influential - they are not the sort of people any politician should upset, or indeed, lie about.

Tee hee hee.....

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 6:55 pm

I find the very idea of the North ever having had any faith in the mouth-wateringly awful George Osborne impossible to get to grips with. That he'd chew them up and then spit them out (I think Starburst is a stablemate of Wrigleys?) was always a given.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 7:00 pm

PorFavor wrote:I find the very idea of the North ever having had any faith in the mouth-wateringly awful George Osborne impossible to get to grips with. That he'd chew them up and then spit them out (I think Starburst is a stablemate of Wrigleys?) was always a given.

Ohh - I've nicked your "given". I've only just seen it!

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 7:01 pm

http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/News/Stori ... ce-system/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Court closures will deepen inequalities in the justice system

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 7:02 pm

Bumboils - that last was meant for rebeccariots2.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 7:06 pm

They may have expressed an opinion as to new contract as fair/workable etc,but against imposition.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 7:09 pm

PorFavor wrote:Bumboils - that last was meant for rebeccariots2.

Bumboils - a given - and very very juicy at that.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 7:16 pm

HindleA wrote:http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/News/Stori ... ce-system/
Court closures will deepen inequalities in the justice system

Looks a pretty forensic way to say keep your hands off our courts. Certainly shows up the holes in the argument.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 7:20 pm

Natalie Rowe
‏@RealNatalieRowe
http://gu.com/p/4gj6k/stw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; He his getting off light. He should be on trial. Apparently he is being sued by the victim. No mention in Press

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 7:21 pm

I was going to use expletive but had a picture of assembled judiciary, the whole lot, wigs and gowns, and before Cameron can present his argument they all shout 'Fuck offffffffff !'.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 7:23 pm

Chris Ham ‏@profchrisham 60m60 minutes ago
At what point will presidents of Royal Colleges intervene in the junior doctors dispute? Time for statesmanship to prevail?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 7:25 pm

seeingclearly wrote:
HindleA wrote:http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/News/Stori ... ce-system/
Court closures will deepen inequalities in the justice system
Looks a pretty forensic way to say keep your hands off our courts. Certainly shows up the holes in the argument.

There really shouldn't be any inequalities in our legal system. That any exist and are likely to be still deepened is totally unacceptable.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 7:27 pm

Clare Gerada ‏@clarercgp 2m2 minutes ago
What we will see now is loss of altruism - rise of sickness levels amongst JDs and loss through emigration.

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 7:30 pm

I will have to go to bed early tonight.

My joints are playing up something chronic.......but I cannot countenance Farridge, Crabby, and Woody Two Shoes on one QT panel.

I hope Carwyn makes mincemeat of them.

I am willing to bet that Nige might have a bot of a problem with the traffic again. UKIP in Wales is even more chaotic than usual today - that creep Gill is facing a petition from UKIP members to go away........how I wish he would. Not that his replacement would be any use to man or beast.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Thu 11 Feb, 2016 7:39 pm

Andrew Foster
‏@andrewkfoster
@sanjaysastry The letter we supported was a different one to that published today.

Says it all about Unt.