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Of course there is a market for it.

Eating food is the only way of living. That doesn't mean there is no market price for food.

We should stop subsidising rich London commuters (the vast bulk of rail commuters).
There's not meaningful competition with going by train into work in Central London. That's why, even at the ideological peak of rail privatization, season tickets were to be fixed. Whether you think they've been fixed too high or too long is a different point.

I don't think commuters are typically all that rich in disposable income anyway. But are you really saying they should cover not only the cost of the train service but all the cost of the infrastructure as well? Does that happen anywhere?
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SpinningHugo wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Not the poorest, no. But hardly some uber-affluent group that it's offensive to subsidize in any way at all. Especially if the investment/subsidy leads to more corporation tax and income tax being collected to be redistributed to the poor.

There's not a market for commuting to London for work. Rail is simply the only way to do it. So the price has to be regulated.

Where I think the idea of subsidy is more meaningful is at the level of the region, rather than the individual. There should be more done to raise taxes locally to the area that will benefit from the spending, though that's already what is starting to happen.
Of course there is a market for it.

Eating food is the only way of living. That doesn't mean there is no market price for food.

We should stop subsidising rich London commuters (the vast bulk of rail commuters).
If you're suggesting an alternative to a London commute say so. If required in London, few physical as well as economically
reasonable options exist for getting there if living close enough to walk or cycle is impossible. If you gotta be in London,
getting there comes in few flavours.

Different eating choices available for millions keeping body and soul together are plenty. Some buy in bulk from cooperatives,
others eat food from takeaways, shop corner market daily, do a once a month large shop and pick it up or have it delivered...not an exhaustive list.
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Peter Stefanovic ‏@PeterStefanovi2 8h8 hours ago
Played charitable gigs without publicity+spoke out against Thatcher, Blair+Bush when others were silent. RIP George
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Tubby Isaacs wrote:

Of course there is a market for it.

Eating food is the only way of living. That doesn't mean there is no market price for food.

We should stop subsidising rich London commuters (the vast bulk of rail commuters).
There's not meaningful competition with going by train into work in Central London. That's why, even at the ideological peak of rail privatization, season tickets were to be fixed. Whether you think they've been fixed too high or too long is a different point.

I don't think commuters are typically all that rich in disposable income anyway. But are you really saying they should cover not only the cost of the train service but all the cost of the infrastructure as well? Does that happen anywhere?
Removing the economic possibility of commuting into London for work forces business springing up somewhere accessible, I think that's the theory.
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Muslim and Christian groups working together to help homeless at Christmas
Muslims are handing out sleeping kits in London, Sikhs and Hindus are housing homeless in Leicester, and Jews are feeding them in St Albans

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Interesting figures here.

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org. ... er-balance" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Large reductions in civil service headcount. But...
78,820 civil servants are based in London – that’s 19%, more concentrated than the 18% in 2015 and 16.5% in 2010 despite government attempts to spread the workforce.
As a tangent, these are rather a lot of people who aren't rich bankers who have to work in Central London.
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NHS mental health services failing young people, say psychiatrists
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Bizarre Partridge-esque rumination on trade policy by Andy Marr.
The Scotch whisky industry wants lower tariffs for the Indian market, for instance, but also boasts immense expertise on water quality, a big issue for Narendra Modi’s government.
As do, er, water companies. Modi could get them in while maintaining the leverage that the subsidies give him.

No, me neither.
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Goodnight, everyone.
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RIP Liz Smith (Nanna in The Royle Family comedy series)
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AngryAsWell wrote:RIP Liz Smith (Nanna in The Royle Family comedy series)
Whit? No!
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refitman wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:RIP Liz Smith (Nanna in The Royle Family comedy series)
Whit? No!
Yup
http://www.itv.com/news/2016-12-26/royl ... s-aged-95/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No end to it is there ? :(
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Morning


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Pickles publishes report into tackling electoral fraud

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Gov.Response.

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... ork-scheme" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Private firms earn £500m from government's fit-to-work scheme


Except it is referring to PIP,FFS.
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Appears it was the Mirror,and regurgitated by Independent,Guardian.
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More on Pickled attempt to combat basic democratic right of voting.


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Four out five young carers receive no council support, says study
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London has tackled homelessness before. It’s time to do so again
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Home ownership 'overestimated by official data'
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SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:

Sad that the government of 1997-2010, one based on facts and reason, is so unfairly tradduced
Sorry, but New Labour had a dogma and mythology of its own. One reason why it never lived up to its early promise.
Not sure really how that refutes, or even relates, to anything I said. Nobody would claim perfection.
It relates to your claim that the 1997-2010 government was based on "facts and reason".

Unfortunately that was never as true as we would wish, especially in the latter years.

And to claim that NL's critics demanded "perfection" is simply a straw man.
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Major flooding in UK now likely every year, warns lead climate adviser
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... SApp_Other" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
More wide-ranging than it appears from the title.
Krebs also said ministers would regret cutting flood protection measures for new homes. New laws passed earlier in 2016 aim to drive the building of 1m new homes but Krebs, an independent member of the House of Lords, said he was disappointed ministers had rejected proposals to cut the risk of the homes flooding and make them cheap to heat.

“The imperative to build more homes was overriding anything that might get in the way and I think the housebuilders got at the Department for Communities and Local Government to say all of this is going to be costly and difficult,” he said.

“It isn’t [costly] really, but they just want to get on and build homes according to the bog-standard, simple template and not have to worry about whether the development is sustainable in terms of carbon footprint and flood risk. In 20 years time, people will look back and say, ‘What were they thinking?’”
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Morning all.
Steve Day ‏@TheRealSteveDay 16h16 hours ago

Tabloid newspapers told me Jimmy Saville was a force for good and George Michael was a pervert. They're still trying to tell me stuff now.
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IEA on disability benefits
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.
Steve Day ‏@TheRealSteveDay 16h16 hours ago

Tabloid newspapers told me Jimmy Saville was a force for good and George Michael was a pervert. They're still trying to tell me stuff now.
Have you had your Boxing Day dinner yet? Did your daughter sort out her travel arrangments?
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Good morfternoon.
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PorFavor wrote: Have you had your Boxing Day dinner yet? Did your daughter sort out her travel arrangments?
Oh yes. She came down via Stansted Airport (train into Liverpool Street) and lunch was taken at 5pm...
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Good-afternoon, everyone.
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gilsey wrote:Major flooding in UK now likely every year, warns lead climate adviser
https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... SApp_Other" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
More wide-ranging than it appears from the title.
Krebs also said ministers would regret cutting flood protection measures for new homes. New laws passed earlier in 2016 aim to drive the building of 1m new homes but Krebs, an independent member of the House of Lords, said he was disappointed ministers had rejected proposals to cut the risk of the homes flooding and make them cheap to heat.

“The imperative to build more homes was overriding anything that might get in the way and I think the housebuilders got at the Department for Communities and Local Government to say all of this is going to be costly and difficult,” he said.

“It isn’t [costly] really, but they just want to get on and build homes according to the bog-standard, simple template and not have to worry about whether the development is sustainable in terms of carbon footprint and flood risk. In 20 years time, people will look back and say, ‘What were they thinking?’”
Really worrying, and totally depressing with the current government in charge.
I just don't know what we can do, this lot won't act in any preventative way and people in flooded area are lucky if they do anything after a flood to ameliorate any damage. Not that the problem is "just" flooding. How do we get government to listen and act on climate change? They hardly even recognise it's happening.
As long as the country keeps voting the tory's back in, we are doomed.
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SpinningHugo wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:Morning all.

'Asked why he believes Corbyn inspires such passionate loyalty, he says: “I think in part it is a rejection of New Labour, and there is a visceral sense among many in the party, old and new members, that New Labour wasn’t radical enough and New Labour wasn’t Labour enough.

“That’s definitely out there and felt by many, many people. I think there was also just a human, emotional reaction to the notion that Jeremy was being unfairly challenged.”'

Owen Smith saying something I agree with.


Sad that the government of 1997-2010, one based on facts and reason, is so unfairly tradduced. Almost as if some on the left prefer the long periods of Tory rule before and after because they prefer the purity of powerless opposition.

Iraq was, of course, a disaster, and I suspect decisive in killing the politics of that era.

Still, the thesis of Corbyn's electoral popularity will need to be tested in 2020 there is no choice.

Nothing to do but laugh, and vote Green.
It seems all to easy to criticise the last Labour government nowadays, but compared to what we have now they achieved a lot of good.
So as we head into 2017 I'll post this again

What the Labour Party achieved, lest we forget

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Cassetteboy remix the news: 2016 review special – video

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You scored
22 out of 30

Guess the '60s Hit Song From its Opening Line Quiz

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AngryAsWell wrote:You scored
22 out of 30

Guess the '60s Hit Song From its Opening Line Quiz

http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/ ... LTHw%3D%3D" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thanks - I thoroughly enjoyed that. (28\30)
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Well done pf! Sign of a misspent youth?
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AnatolyKasparov wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote: Sorry, but New Labour had a dogma and mythology of its own. One reason why it never lived up to its early promise.
Not sure really how that refutes, or even relates, to anything I said. Nobody would claim perfection.
It relates to your claim that the 1997-2010 government was based on "facts and reason".

Unfortunately that was never as true as we would wish, especially in the latter years.

And to claim that NL's critics demanded "perfection" is simply a straw man.

It is of historic nterest only. Some on the left, exemplified by you, seem obsessed with attacking Blairites, when it is obvious they have been routed, have no inuence at all, and are never coming back. There are still some MPs of that kind, but very few and there will be only a handful after the 2020 election. Blairites V Soft Left was won by the soft left, only for them to be marginalised in their turn by the Corbyn/McDonnell wing. At a membership level, the Blairites are gone. The 0.45 percent now.


Centrist types like me have to accept that Labour isn't a viable vehicle for the kind of politics of 1997-2010 any longer. Only then can progress be made. Certainly there is zero point in re-fightng the defeat of 2010. The party has been completely transformed since then.

Obama was interesting today. I can't see the Dems going the same way either.
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RIP Richard Adams


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A little known fact about him (it doesn't get mentioned in his Wikipedia entry, for example) he stood as an Independent Tory candidate for Spelthorne at the 1983 GE and polled over 5% (which would have saved his deposit at future elections, and was a notably strong performance by a non-party candidate at that time) Whilst a right-winger in several respects, he was very strong on animal rights and utterly despised hunting (for instance)
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Carrie Fisher now - RIP
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Labour: new public appointments rules are 'power grab' by Tories
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Carrie Fisher gone.
Sixty years old
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Jill Hayward ‏@frdragonspouse 1h1 hour ago
I think I could cope with the unrelenting advent calendar of death if only there weren't so many utter shits still here on the planet.

How true
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'Negligible' link between executive pay and firm's performance, says study

Wage packets of FTSE 350 chief executives have risen 82% in 13 years, while return on money invested has been 1%, CFA UK finds (Guardian)
Well, I never . . .

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BHS workers swamp Charles Dickens charity with help requests
Trust once chaired by Hard Times author receives record number of applications from struggling families asking for support for their children

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A first class cheek! DWP's benefit-slashing officials spend £100k a year on luxury travel
Welfare-cutting officials used the tickets as part of a £116MILLION bill for 'non-standard-class travel' across government

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Heartwarming, but so very sad (and angry) that we have sunk so low that its necessary.

Someone built this shelter for a homeless couple
It has insulation, light, a fire alarm and lock and can be moved around on wheels

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Oh dear, Michael Gove seem to be making an utter tit of himself here...

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This tweet is amazing.
Michael Gove ‏@michaelgove 18m18 minutes ago

@jdportes @Change_Britain @D_Blanchflower @JolyonMaugham not at all! We're clearly better off outside single market and customs union
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This is an exchange at the Edu select committee showing Gove's keen grasp of figures...

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Dave Russell ‏@daverussell 1h1 hour ago
RT @MrsMcLordy

Lost #PIP even though you can walk less than 50 mtrs? Please email greythompsont@parliament.uk

Not sure if applies to anyone here (or anyone looking in) but thought I'd post just in case.
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AngryAsWell wrote:A first class cheek! DWP's benefit-slashing officials spend £100k a year on luxury travel
Welfare-cutting officials used the tickets as part of a £116MILLION bill for 'non-standard-class travel' across government

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fi ... ar_twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
While not condoning the costs involved, it's a piece of 'fuzzy' journalism! When I was a civil servant there was a distinction between "officials" (civil servants) and "ministers" (politicians). It appears from the article that "benefit-slashing officials" are not, in fact, spending £100k - the figure includes ministers. A civil servant travelling with a minister is not generally in a position to dictate the class of ticket! (I hope somebody is checking that ministerial travel charged to departments is not also being claimed against parliamentary expenses).

Call me pedantic, but assuming the travel is necessary in the first place, the amount spent on luxury travel is £100k minus the cost of standard travel.
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