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AnatolyKasparov wrote:When is Corbyn actually giving this much trailed speech, anyway? I'm looking forward to finding out how accurate the speculations of the Graun in particular were.
Isn't it more likely he'll have dropped big chunks of it, if it's different?
Well possibly, but it has been noted none of the quoted sections from it (in various places) back up the Graun claim he will say "Brexit will make us better off" in particular.
The spin both the Mirror and LabourList put on it was notably different.
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Will CCCTB go ahead if UK is not a decision maker? Maybe only for a small group
The Common Consolidated Corporate Tax Base (CCCTB) is a single set of rules to calculate companies' taxable profits in the EU.
With the CCCTB, cross-border companies will only have to comply with one, single EU system for computing their taxable income, rather than many different national rulebooks.
Companies can file one tax return for all of their EU activities, and offset losses in one Member State against profits in another.
The consolidated taxable profits will be shared between the Member States in which the group is active, using an apportionment formula. Each Member State will then tax its share of the profits at its own national tax rate.
I don't know if it's going ahead or what the implications are.
yahyah wrote:Radio 4 this morning said he would say Brexit could make us better. Could not would.
Unlikely, though.
At least, the sentiments that appear to have driven Brexit don't encourage me to think the UK will react to being poorer and having less influence in the world by becoming a more caring, sharing place somehow.
"Fall seven times, get up eight" - Japanese proverb
"Either you do a cap or you look at the levels of disparity within organisations," he said. "Other countries have got some policies developing this and I think we need to consult with them and learn some lessons on this."
I'll wait and see if they work first, thanks. In the meantime I'll use the tax system as we have it to make incremental improvements.
yahyah wrote:Radio 4 this morning said he would say Brexit could make us better. Could not would.
Unlikely, though.
At least, the sentiments that appear to have driven Brexit don't encourage me to think the UK will react to being poorer and having less influence in the world by becoming a more caring, sharing place somehow.
Can't remember what the multiple used is, but the Chair of John Lewis's re-numeration is linked to so many times what the lowest paid JL/Waitrose partner earns. Think it has always been part of the JL Constitution which rules how the company operates.
Seems to ignore Labour's commitment to remaining in the Customs Union. Not that I particularly think the Tories are inclined to leave the Customs Union, but they haven't as yet made a commitment even on this much.
Not to mention Corbyn's idea of immigration controls looks more like Ed Miliband's EU friendly proposals than Ukip's total ban.
The fly in the ointment for me isn't immigration but Corbyn's attachment to industrial subsidies. I can't see anyone wanting to give us good trade terms on that basis, let alone the EU.
"Fall seven times, get up eight" - Japanese proverb
yahyah wrote:Can't remember what the multiple used is, but the Chair of John Lewis's re-numeration is linked to so many times what the lowest paid JL/Waitrose partner earns. Think it has always been part of the JL Constitution which rules how the company operates.
75 I read somewhere or that could've been Lloyd's.
AnatolyKasparov wrote:When is Corbyn actually giving this much trailed speech, anyway? I'm looking forward to finding out how accurate the speculations of the Graun in particular were.
Isn't it more likely he'll have dropped big chunks of it, if it's different?
Well possibly, but it has been noted none of the quoted sections from it (in various places) back up the Graun claim he will say "Brexit will make us better off" in particular.
The spin both the Mirror and LabourList put on it was notably different.
Cue the calls of "rowing back", "disarray" afterwards...
SpinningHugo wrote:
As you know, I backed Labour for decades. I'd love the Labour party that was pro-free movement a year ago to still be in favour of it. But it isn't. I'd like there to be an option to return to the government of 1997-2010. But that is not on the ballot paper.
(cJA edit)
If I demand a political party 'stand for' everything I 'stand for', I couldn't vote for any of them. Your suggestion isn't realistic.
There seems to be a massive contradiction there anyway. The Blairites are the ones falling over themselves to say we should respond to 'concerns about immigration', surely Burnham, Kinnock, Reeves et al would be the people in a 'New Labour' govt now if we had one.
SH, all we know is that you say you backed labour for decades. I take it as seriously as I do those btl posters at the G who say they voted remain but now think we should get on with leaving.
SpinningHugo wrote:
As you know, I backed Labour for decades. I'd love the Labour party that was pro-free movement a year ago to still be in favour of it. But it isn't. I'd like there to be an option to return to the government of 1997-2010. But that is not on the ballot paper.
(cJA edit)
If I demand a political party 'stand for' everything I 'stand for', I couldn't vote for any of them. Your suggestion isn't realistic.
There seems to be a massive contradiction there anyway. The Blairites are the ones falling over themselves to say we should respond to 'concerns about immigration', surely Burnham, Kinnock, Reeves et al would be the people in a 'New Labour' govt now if we had one.
SH, all we know is that you say you backed labour for decades. I take it as seriously as I do those btl posters at the G who say they voted remain but now think we should get on with leaving.
And I have loudly and repeatedly here and elsewhere condemned Burnham, Kinnock and Reeves for this and said repeatedly that Corbyn deserves credit. As I have said, no wing of Labour now speaks for me, certainly not Andy "safety of our streets" Burnham.
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
So he personally actually is "wedded to freedom of movement", and was really talking about a more regulated labour market?
Good lord.
That's what he's been saying all along, isn't it?
When you read or listen to him, rather than commentators.
I did listen. Freedom of movement is freedom of movement, whatever the labour market is like in the host country. Poles going to work in Norway or Britain are "freedom of movement".
John Mann. As predictable as ever. Still, pleasantly surprised to hear Debbie Abrahams on wato.
I agree with AK (sorry Owen Jones), there's no reason why the Tories can't be hit on multiple fronts,so long as each cuts through to the public consciousness.
yahyah wrote:Can't remember what the multiple used is, but the Chair of John Lewis's re-numeration is linked to so many times what the lowest paid JL/Waitrose partner earns. Think it has always been part of the JL Constitution which rules how the company operates.
75 I read somewhere or that could've been Lloyd's.
StephenDolan wrote:John Mann. As predictable as ever. Still, pleasantly surprised to hear Debbie Abrahams on wato.
I agree with AK (sorry Owen Jones), there's no reason why the Tories can't be hit on multiple fronts,so long as each cuts through to the public consciousness.
Trouble is he can't punch a hole in a political wet echo.
Brexit and Health are enough to be going on with, for any politician.
Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, has said that a Brext deal that jeopardised trade between the UK and Germany would be “the heigh of insanity”. Taking questions in the Commons he said:
As you will know very well there is now a big operation going on by UKTI (UK Trade & Investment), by British diplomacy to point out the salient facts that German investment in this country is responsible for about 344,000 jobs here in the UK, UK investment in Germany is responsible for 222,000 jobs. It would be the height of insanity to imperil either of those sets of investments.
yahyah wrote:Can't remember what the multiple used is, but the Chair of John Lewis's re-numeration is linked to so many times what the lowest paid JL/Waitrose partner earns. Think it has always been part of the JL Constitution which rules how the company operates.
75 I read somewhere or that could've been Lloyd's.
Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, has said that a Brext deal that jeopardised trade between the UK and Germany would be “the heigh of insanity”. Taking questions in the Commons he said:
As you will know very well there is now a big operation going on by UKTI (UK Trade & Investment), by British diplomacy to point out the salient facts that German investment in this country is responsible for about 344,000 jobs here in the UK, UK investment in Germany is responsible for 222,000 jobs. It would be the height of insanity to imperil either of those sets of investments.
See here, yes, incredible, isn't it?
The world done gone crazy.
Crazy.
It's like flying in the dark living with people like this here B Johnson and assorted.
Stay together, vote Tories out, drink plenty of water, eat whole foods and go on frequent walks, preferably where no motor vehicles are allowed to go.
Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, has said that a Brext deal that jeopardised trade between the UK and Germany would be “the heigh of insanity”. Taking questions in the Commons he said:
As you will know very well there is now a big operation going on by UKTI (UK Trade & Investment), by British diplomacy to point out the salient facts that German investment in this country is responsible for about 344,000 jobs here in the UK, UK investment in Germany is responsible for 222,000 jobs. It would be the height of insanity to imperil either of those sets of investments.
I said ages ago that Johnson would be the first to start backing out and say leave can't be done. Only one with the gall to do it.
Boris Johnson, the foreign secretary, has said that a Brext deal that jeopardised trade between the UK and Germany would be “the heigh of insanity”. Taking questions in the Commons he said:
As you will know very well there is now a big operation going on by UKTI (UK Trade & Investment), by British diplomacy to point out the salient facts that German investment in this country is responsible for about 344,000 jobs here in the UK, UK investment in Germany is responsible for 222,000 jobs. It would be the height of insanity to imperil either of those sets of investments.
StephenDolan wrote:John Mann. As predictable as ever. Still, pleasantly surprised to hear Debbie Abrahams on wato.
I agree with AK (sorry Owen Jones), there's no reason why the Tories can't be hit on multiple fronts,so long as each cuts through to the public consciousness.
Trouble is he can't punch a hole in a political wet echo.
Brexit and Health are enough to be going on with, for any politician.
AnatolyKasparov wrote:When is Corbyn actually giving this much trailed speech, anyway? I'm looking forward to finding out how accurate the speculations of the Graun in particular were.
3.30pm according to Sparrow. Politicians of all stripes are in agreement that it's important to save all their most interesting pronouncements for when most people have returned to work from lunch and stay at home mums are safely out of the way on the school run, hence 3pm/3.30pm is the preferred time for these sorts of things.
Never knew that & I'm surprised tbh seeing as stay at home mums are more likely to have the TV on and therefore pick up snippets even if not actually watching, than mums at work.
Tubby Isaacs wrote:
We're negotiating with Germany, are we?
The last Tory PM to negotiate with Germany didn't do it terribly well. Given the current foreign secretary's diplomatic skills, I await the outcome of any of his negotiations with some trepidation.
Before I scurry off to the kitchen (baked spuds with selection of toppings for us btw) can I just commend all FTNers for the lively, informative debate here today. Great stuff
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Before I scurry off to the kitchen (baked spuds with selection of toppings for us btw) can I just commend all FTNers for the lively, informative debate here today. Great stuff
Grated Red Leicester and lime pickle on mine please.
AnatolyKasparov wrote:When is Corbyn actually giving this much trailed speech, anyway? I'm looking forward to finding out how accurate the speculations of the Graun in particular were.
3.30pm according to Sparrow. Politicians of all stripes are in agreement that it's important to save all their most interesting pronouncements for when most people have returned to work from lunch and stay at home mums are safely out of the way on the school run, hence 3pm/3.30pm is the preferred time for these sorts of things.
Never knew that & I'm surprised tbh seeing as stay at home mums are more likely to have the TV on and therefore pick up snippets even if not actually watching, than mums at work.
Well, I may be exaggerating a little, but it certainly seems like every time there's a political speech I might like to listen to it manages to start just as I'm heading out the door!
"Fall seven times, get up eight" - Japanese proverb
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Before I scurry off to the kitchen (baked spuds with selection of toppings for us btw) can I just commend all FTNers for the lively, informative debate here today. Great stuff
Grated Red Leicester and lime pickle on mine please.
I put lime pickle on macaroni cheese once - not to be recommend.
(But do love it with baked potatoes
SpinningHugo wrote:Really odd to be focusing on "rising inequality" given those ONS figures out today. Do you think they expected them to show the opposite?
Nah, he doesn't do any work. His mates from marches all think it's rising.
He's of course right that it's too high and been so since the late 80s.
