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But the wording used in that quote is rather sneering in tone - and, as such, is probably not helpful.
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Nearly everyone sensible wanted Clinton to beat Trump but a lot didnt and dont really like her
I find this is a bit common - people gain votes and think that is a real indication that they are popular
Blair in 97, Clinton and Macron more recently have taken winning or almost winning as being a vote for their policies rather than a vote against their opponent - I think Macron is finding this now even though I think he is better than the press he is getting
Nearly everyone sensible wanted Clinton to beat Trump but a lot didnt and dont really like her
I find this is a bit common - people gain votes and think that is a real indication that they are popular
Blair in 97, Clinton and Macron more recently have taken winning or almost winning as being a vote for their policies rather than a vote against their opponent - I think Macron is finding this now even though I think he is better than the press he is getting
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This is the real reason why the Tories can't solve the housing crisis
This is the real reason why the Tories can't solve the housing crisis
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Oh - shame. And him such a good businessman an' all.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... avy-lossesDonald Trump's Scottish golf resorts suffer heavy losses (Guardian)
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Post-Brexit invisible border is impossible, says Irish report
Ireland’s equivalent of HMRC says it is ‘somewhat naive’ to believe a unique arrangement can be applied to Irish border
Post-Brexit invisible border is impossible, says Irish report
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UK trade department draws half its secondees from arms industry
UK trade department draws half its secondees from arms industry
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GPs losing sleep over patient safety fears, says head of profession
Prof Helen Stokes-Lampard, chair of the Royal College of General Practitioners, says colleagues are left anxious by overwork and exhaustion
GPs losing sleep over patient safety fears, says head of profession
Prof Helen Stokes-Lampard, chair of the Royal College of General Practitioners, says colleagues are left anxious by overwork and exhaustion
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UK trade department draws half its secondees from arms industry
"Shamelessly cosy". More damning than any more highly-flown phrase could have been. A very effective choice of words.
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You mean in skywriting form or similar?
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The UK housing market's perfect storm, and five steps to avoid it
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The UK housing market's perfect storm, and five steps to avoid it
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25% of social care staff are on zero hours contracts, turnover rate 27.8%, 90,000 vacancies, 95,000 EU care workers
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Philip Hammond faces hot seat as bad news piles up
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A manifesto for what works
Social care in England does not need fresh thinking. It has enough bright ideas — what it needs are changes in practice and attitudes
When people do develop substantial support needs, we believe that social care should be about more than providing help with the rudiments of everyday life. It should go beyond helping people get out of bed in the morning and ensuring that they have three square meals a day. Social care should actively facilitate the agencies of the individual as a member of their families, friendship networks and communities.
We know that a strengths-based approach is both the most respectful and the most effective in social work — but defenders of social care are amongst the strongest reinforcers of the ‘poor, sick, miserable’ medical model.
A manifesto for what works
Social care in England does not need fresh thinking. It has enough bright ideas — what it needs are changes in practice and attitudes
When people do develop substantial support needs, we believe that social care should be about more than providing help with the rudiments of everyday life. It should go beyond helping people get out of bed in the morning and ensuring that they have three square meals a day. Social care should actively facilitate the agencies of the individual as a member of their families, friendship networks and communities.
We know that a strengths-based approach is both the most respectful and the most effective in social work — but defenders of social care are amongst the strongest reinforcers of the ‘poor, sick, miserable’ medical model.
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The "burden" predominance and any participation may be used against you,of course doesn't help.
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Great comment btl on this story
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"We are royally screwed and need a total, complete and utter revamp,” said one senior MP.
The Conservatives have no one to blame but themselves.
The Brexit referendum was a shabby attempt to hold their party together. It did nothing of the sort. It emboldened the madder elements on the remote right - who would be more at home with the foaming loons of UKIP - drove the country apart instead. We've seen the unwelcome rise of the political dead in the form of Michael "Murdoch" Gove and the disgraced Liam Fox.
To add insult to injury, Cameron did a "Brave Sir Robin" and bravely ran away; Johnson looked like he'd just been handed a used airline sick bag; and May got to make a run at the job of PM because she'd kept very quiet (mostly about being absolutely useless). She couldn't even buy off a proper mainstream party to prop up her government, and was forced to bribe a passing troupe of 17th Century anti-Papist witch-hunters and Hammer Horror villagers.
Since then, the Tories have been locked into a mad spiral of tring to outdo each other on professing loyalty, although no one is quite clear what "loyalty" really means to these people when their behaviour suggests they think it means "unslaked ambition". Tory MPs have largely given up and will troop through the lobbies for any old tosh.
We're way beyond any normal universe now. I half expect Mr Spock with an evil beard to appear as the Minister for Logic and Cruelty To Underlings. It would be no madder than what Mrs May is "organising".
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#caitlin bitzegiao
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Night night.
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Eight local council byelections this past week:
Redcar and Cleveland - LibDem hold with 38 per cent, a 9 point increase on two years ago. This was traditionally a safe ward for them, returning 3 LibDems easily in both 2003 and 2007 before the post-coalition slump saw Labour take two seats in 2011. Internal problems for the Labour-run council meant they lost ground in 2015, however, and the LibDems took both "their" seats here back. Labour failed to advance much on then, maybe partly because two Independent candidates took (fairly evenly) 28% between them - the Indy narrowly beaten into 4th was a former Labour councillor who got deselected before the last elections, a reminder of the strife referred to above. Tories beaten into 5th with their share down, whilst Greens fell from 11% last time to just 2% and last now.
Hinckley and Bosworth DC - a narrow Tory hold with a little under 40% after a swing of around 6% since 2015 to the second placed LibDems. Tories won all three seats in this ward back in 2003, but LibDems won a clean sweep in 2007 and easily topped the poll four years later despite dropping a seat to the Tories - which meant the latter taking all three seats, and fairly comfortably, two years ago came as something of a surprise. In the event the LibDems advancing by 9 points was not quite enough, and they may be frustrated that third placed Labour enjoyed a modest increase to 15%. UKIP finished ahead of them last time, but lost about two thirds of their support now - though they still finished ahead of a last placed Independent who got less than 3%.
South Buckinghamshire DC - Tory hold with nearly two thirds of the vote, a substantial increase since 2015 - though their advance may be slightly exaggerated by the fact a full slate of 3 Tories last time were opposed by just single candidates from all the other parties (this amplifies the effects of "vote splitting) That was the first election here since boundary changes, but the two predecessor wards were both very safe for the blues too (indeed, one was at times not contested) They may also have been aided by the absence of UKIP after they came second two years ago - in their absence a little changed Labour took a distant runners up spot whilst the LibDems, vaguely competitive here in the past, weren't far behind with 13% after sitting the last election out. Greens last with less than 6%, their share more than halved.
Warwick DC - Tory hold with over half the vote in a ward where they won both seats in 2015 (the first post boundary change elections) but were run close by an Independent, their absence enabled a double figure increase in their share. The two predecessor wards here were also normally reliably Tory, though back in 2003 Labour took a seat in one of them when for some reason the Tories only put up one candidate for two places. Labour enjoyed their best result in these parts since then, more than doubling their score to nearly a third of the vote. LibDems third with nearly 12% after not standing two years ago, Greens last with a quarter of that - well down on last time.
Cheshire East - Labour hold with over 60 per cent, a 15 point increase on two years ago. Even in their dire year of 2008 this ward safely returned three Labour members in this unitary's inaugural election, and this has remained safe for them ever since even if their showing on GE day 2015 was less impressive than 2011 which returned a very similar result to this one. Tories also gained a bit of support as UKIP collapsed yet again - they pipped the blues for second last time but crashed to just 8% now. Greens also more than halved as they finished last with 3%.
Hertsmere DC - Labour gain from Conservative in a ward that has fluctuated in recent years. Labour won both seats in 2002 all out elections but only just held on the following year and Tories subsequently cleaned up, winning all contests until 2010. Labour won their seats back in 2011 and 2014 but the following year - when this authority moved from elections by thirds to every four years - the Tories (rather narrowly) got a full house again. That was a straight fight, greater competition this time meant Labour making a gain despite a significant fall in its own share; the Tories suffered rather more though with a drop of 20 points and a swing of some 6% to Labour overall. LibDems third with a respectable 14%, followed by an Independent and finally UKIP with 5% (rather a contrast to their close third here at their 2014 high point)
Salford - Labour hold, still a comfortable one even though they dropped by fully 15 points since a previous by-election here on GE day to less than half the vote. In fairness, most of their wins here have been by less comprehensive margins and they were little changed on the last "regular" election here a year ago. Tories were only slightly up on June this year but more so compared to the last few regular contests, partly due to UKIP literally disappearing after finishing runner up from 2014 to 2016. Third was taken by an Independent who had been that UKIP candidate after having been a LibDem councillor here previously and standing (elsewhere in the borough) for the Greens in the interim, just behind them on 10% were the LibDems; this was a modest increase but still a long way from when they took all 3 seats here back in 2004 and won each subsequent election until Labour at last won in 2010. Greens last with 3%, slightly down on recent showings.
Adur DC - Labour gain from UKIP with almost 50% of the vote, the latter not even defending their seat this time. Whilst there was little indication of this in previous council results this part of the South Coast swung strongly to Labour at this year's GE so this was not *totally* unexpected - but an increase of 30 points since the most previous contest here last year is undeniably impressive. Prior to now this had originally been a Tory/LibDem fight this millennium - splitting 1Con/1LD in 2004's all out elections then swapping victories (LibDem in 2006 and 2010, Tory in 2008 and 2012) before a previous shock result saw UKIP take both seats in a 2014 "double vacancy" and actually holding on pretty comfortably last year. That the Tories also managed a double figure increase in UKIP's absence may be cold comfort for them in the circumstances, but the LibDems declined further in this one time top target to a new low of 9%. The first Green presence here since 2006 was rewarded by a modest 3%.
Again eight contests this coming week.
Redcar and Cleveland - LibDem hold with 38 per cent, a 9 point increase on two years ago. This was traditionally a safe ward for them, returning 3 LibDems easily in both 2003 and 2007 before the post-coalition slump saw Labour take two seats in 2011. Internal problems for the Labour-run council meant they lost ground in 2015, however, and the LibDems took both "their" seats here back. Labour failed to advance much on then, maybe partly because two Independent candidates took (fairly evenly) 28% between them - the Indy narrowly beaten into 4th was a former Labour councillor who got deselected before the last elections, a reminder of the strife referred to above. Tories beaten into 5th with their share down, whilst Greens fell from 11% last time to just 2% and last now.
Hinckley and Bosworth DC - a narrow Tory hold with a little under 40% after a swing of around 6% since 2015 to the second placed LibDems. Tories won all three seats in this ward back in 2003, but LibDems won a clean sweep in 2007 and easily topped the poll four years later despite dropping a seat to the Tories - which meant the latter taking all three seats, and fairly comfortably, two years ago came as something of a surprise. In the event the LibDems advancing by 9 points was not quite enough, and they may be frustrated that third placed Labour enjoyed a modest increase to 15%. UKIP finished ahead of them last time, but lost about two thirds of their support now - though they still finished ahead of a last placed Independent who got less than 3%.
South Buckinghamshire DC - Tory hold with nearly two thirds of the vote, a substantial increase since 2015 - though their advance may be slightly exaggerated by the fact a full slate of 3 Tories last time were opposed by just single candidates from all the other parties (this amplifies the effects of "vote splitting) That was the first election here since boundary changes, but the two predecessor wards were both very safe for the blues too (indeed, one was at times not contested) They may also have been aided by the absence of UKIP after they came second two years ago - in their absence a little changed Labour took a distant runners up spot whilst the LibDems, vaguely competitive here in the past, weren't far behind with 13% after sitting the last election out. Greens last with less than 6%, their share more than halved.
Warwick DC - Tory hold with over half the vote in a ward where they won both seats in 2015 (the first post boundary change elections) but were run close by an Independent, their absence enabled a double figure increase in their share. The two predecessor wards here were also normally reliably Tory, though back in 2003 Labour took a seat in one of them when for some reason the Tories only put up one candidate for two places. Labour enjoyed their best result in these parts since then, more than doubling their score to nearly a third of the vote. LibDems third with nearly 12% after not standing two years ago, Greens last with a quarter of that - well down on last time.
Cheshire East - Labour hold with over 60 per cent, a 15 point increase on two years ago. Even in their dire year of 2008 this ward safely returned three Labour members in this unitary's inaugural election, and this has remained safe for them ever since even if their showing on GE day 2015 was less impressive than 2011 which returned a very similar result to this one. Tories also gained a bit of support as UKIP collapsed yet again - they pipped the blues for second last time but crashed to just 8% now. Greens also more than halved as they finished last with 3%.
Hertsmere DC - Labour gain from Conservative in a ward that has fluctuated in recent years. Labour won both seats in 2002 all out elections but only just held on the following year and Tories subsequently cleaned up, winning all contests until 2010. Labour won their seats back in 2011 and 2014 but the following year - when this authority moved from elections by thirds to every four years - the Tories (rather narrowly) got a full house again. That was a straight fight, greater competition this time meant Labour making a gain despite a significant fall in its own share; the Tories suffered rather more though with a drop of 20 points and a swing of some 6% to Labour overall. LibDems third with a respectable 14%, followed by an Independent and finally UKIP with 5% (rather a contrast to their close third here at their 2014 high point)
Salford - Labour hold, still a comfortable one even though they dropped by fully 15 points since a previous by-election here on GE day to less than half the vote. In fairness, most of their wins here have been by less comprehensive margins and they were little changed on the last "regular" election here a year ago. Tories were only slightly up on June this year but more so compared to the last few regular contests, partly due to UKIP literally disappearing after finishing runner up from 2014 to 2016. Third was taken by an Independent who had been that UKIP candidate after having been a LibDem councillor here previously and standing (elsewhere in the borough) for the Greens in the interim, just behind them on 10% were the LibDems; this was a modest increase but still a long way from when they took all 3 seats here back in 2004 and won each subsequent election until Labour at last won in 2010. Greens last with 3%, slightly down on recent showings.
Adur DC - Labour gain from UKIP with almost 50% of the vote, the latter not even defending their seat this time. Whilst there was little indication of this in previous council results this part of the South Coast swung strongly to Labour at this year's GE so this was not *totally* unexpected - but an increase of 30 points since the most previous contest here last year is undeniably impressive. Prior to now this had originally been a Tory/LibDem fight this millennium - splitting 1Con/1LD in 2004's all out elections then swapping victories (LibDem in 2006 and 2010, Tory in 2008 and 2012) before a previous shock result saw UKIP take both seats in a 2014 "double vacancy" and actually holding on pretty comfortably last year. That the Tories also managed a double figure increase in UKIP's absence may be cold comfort for them in the circumstances, but the LibDems declined further in this one time top target to a new low of 9%. The first Green presence here since 2006 was rewarded by a modest 3%.
Again eight contests this coming week.
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Tens of thousands sing Tom Petty tribute in his hometown
Tens of thousands sing Tom Petty tribute in his hometown
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Conservative Brexiters turn fire on Philip Hammond's Treasury
Leading leave campaigner criticises ‘Brexit in name only’ approach as several Tory MPs urge Theresa May to sack chancellor
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Conservative Brexiters turn fire on Philip Hammond's Treasury
Leading leave campaigner criticises ‘Brexit in name only’ approach as several Tory MPs urge Theresa May to sack chancellor
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When is the Budget?HindleA wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... chancellor
Conservative Brexiters turn fire on Philip Hammond's Treasury
Leading leave campaigner criticises ‘Brexit in name only’ approach as several Tory MPs urge Theresa May to sack chancellor
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I can see the OBR getting the same treatment...
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22nd November
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Ouch.Out on the doorstep again this weekend. A really good chance to show how we truly are building a country that works for everyone
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edited to add link to independent article
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 89786.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Boris Johnson will "just say no" if Theresa May tries to demote him , his allies have said as they warned sacking him as Foreign Secretary would undermine Brexit and destabilise the Government.
The Prime Minister is instead being urged by members of her Cabinet to sack Philip Hammond, the Chancellor, for "making Brexit hard" and being "miserable".
edited to add link to independent article
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Theresa May will tell the European Union “the ball is in your court” as she urges EU negotiators to show more “flexibility” in finding a deal that will be beneficial to both sides.
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That Rentoul fella posting a fact of the day of average age comparison between Labour and Tories as some sort of skewering attempt.What it did show was that just shy of half of the Tory membership were pensioners and nearly three quarters men compared to less than a third and not far of parity for Labour of the sample(s)
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Girl, 7, with diabetes is banned from school cinema trip because hospital appointment cost her 100% attendance record
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Girl, 7, with diabetes is banned from school cinema trip because hospital appointment cost her 100% attendance record
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