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RobertSnozers wrote:

NonOxCol wrote:Goodness me that Guardian editorial on the Lib Dems really is a frightful, contemptible pile of absolute steaming horseshit.

I hadn't read a Guardian editorial for several months before today. Have they really been this bad?

Any future cultural historians who want to understand how Britain's media became even more right-wing under the Coalition could do worse than read "The liberal moment has come", look at the policies the filth actually voted for over the course of four and a half years, and then read today's communication from Planet Beta, aka the "world's leading liberal voice".

The Guardian is dead. Time to consider the alternatives. My suggestion the other day that we try to start up a progressively-inclined news source here went down like a cup of cold sick, but what are the possibilities open to us who are fed up with rightwing hegemony in the serious press?

I'm with you but can't do anything serious until the end of the year.

RobertSnozers wrote:

NonOxCol wrote:Goodness me that Guardian editorial on the Lib Dems really is a frightful, contemptible pile of absolute steaming horseshit.

I hadn't read a Guardian editorial for several months before today. Have they really been this bad?

Any future cultural historians who want to understand how Britain's media became even more right-wing under the Coalition could do worse than read "The liberal moment has come", look at the policies the filth actually voted for over the course of four and a half years, and then read today's communication from Planet Beta, aka the "world's leading liberal voice".

The Guardian is dead. Time to consider the alternatives. My suggestion the other day that we try to start up a progressively-inclined news source here went down like a cup of cold sick, but what are the possibilities open to us who are fed up with rightwing hegemony in the serious press?

I thought it was a good idea. I think though it would demand more expertise or time than some of us [ me included ] feel they have. We'd have to leave it to those who could make a fist of it but I can't see why you don't give it a go.

Packed to the rafters to hear Jo Swinson speaking

yahyah wrote:
Packed to the rafters to hear Jo Swinson speaking

Yikes. That's pretty bad.

Not really "winning here" are they?

ohsocynical wrote:

Can life in a nursing home be made uplifting and purposeful?
One young doctor in upstate New York thought so and he came up with a highly eccentric way of demonstrating it. In this extract from his book Being Mortal, Atul Gawande tells the story of Bill Thomas and his miraculous menagerie.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/book ... seful.html

Wow! Just wow! And I've never used that expression before.

That's a lovely story. I wish there were many more like him.

http://debt-clock.org/

Blimey. I think I'd go mad if I watched that for long.

tinyclanger2 wrote:Not really "winning here" are they?

Not enough room on the poster for 'losing our deposit here'.

rebeccariots2 wrote:

ohsocynical wrote:

Can life in a nursing home be made uplifting and purposeful?
One young doctor in upstate New York thought so and he came up with a highly eccentric way of demonstrating it. In this extract from his book Being Mortal, Atul Gawande tells the story of Bill Thomas and his miraculous menagerie.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/book ... seful.html

Wow! Just wow! And I've never used that expression before.

That's a lovely story. I wish there were many more like him.

Isn't it just. The home my uncle's in is soul destroying. They keep spending money extending and making improvements but the old folk are a secondary consideration.

tinyclanger2 wrote:Etymology of Rees-Moggie

The name Reese derives from the Welsh “Rhys” meaning “ardor.” The name is also associated with meaning “zealous” or “enthusiasm.”
Rhys was the name of various Welsh rulers.

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Richard Ruzyllo ‏@spygun 4m4 minutes ago
#LibdemConference sex debate. Seeing lots of delegates in raincoats with the Guardian neatly folded in their laps.......

From Maria Eagle :
Did you hear what Liz Truss - the Tory Environment Secretary - announced was top of her priority list this week?

Bringing back fox hunting. That's right - instead of sorting out the mess they've made of our country, the Tories are fixating yet again on overturning the decade-old ban on this brutal bloodsport.

I'm not going to stand by and let this happen. Let's make so much noise that the Tories have to leave fox hunting in the dustbin of history.


Will you sign my petition against bringing back fox hunting now?


Yes - I'll sign the petition

Sorry - I'm pro fox hunting

There is so much that the Tories should be doing right now that would make life better for millions of people in our county. Doesn't it just speak volumes that they're choosing to obsess over this instead?

Labour consigned fox hunting to the history books - and that's where it belongs. Help us keep it there:



Sign the petition

Thank you,
Maria

Maria Eagle
Shadow Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

AngryAsWell wrote:From Maria Eagle :
Did you hear what Liz Truss - the Tory Environment Secretary - announced was top of her priority list this week?

Bringing back fox hunting. That's right - instead of sorting out the mess they've made of our country, the Tories are fixating yet again on overturning the decade-old ban on this brutal bloodsport.

I'm not going to stand by and let this happen. Let's make so much noise that the Tories have to leave fox hunting in the dustbin of history.


Will you sign my petition against bringing back fox hunting now?


Yes - I'll sign the petition

Sorry - I'm pro fox hunting

There is so much that the Tories should be doing right now that would make life better for millions of people in our county. Doesn't it just speak volumes that they're choosing to obsess over this instead?

Labour consigned fox hunting to the history books - and that's where it belongs. Help us keep it there:



Sign the petition

Thank you,
Maria

Maria Eagle
Shadow Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

I'm trying to find the link to the petition - the one in the email goes to a page already filled out with my name, email and post code so don't want to share that ;(
Will post it later if I can find it

RobertSnozers wrote:

NonOxCol wrote:Goodness me that Guardian editorial on the Lib Dems really is a frightful, contemptible pile of absolute steaming horseshit.

I hadn't read a Guardian editorial for several months before today. Have they really been this bad?

Any future cultural historians who want to understand how Britain's media became even more right-wing under the Coalition could do worse than read "The liberal moment has come", look at the policies the filth actually voted for over the course of four and a half years, and then read today's communication from Planet Beta, aka the "world's leading liberal voice".

The Guardian is dead. Time to consider the alternatives. My suggestion the other day that we try to start up a progressively-inclined news source here went down like a cup of cold sick, but what are the possibilities open to us who are fed up with rightwing hegemony in the serious press?

No Robert, I think it's a sound idea. It's something we should (and in part already) do.

I would implore FTNers to get the news in and provide the links. If it means changing FTN around so we have a 'front page' that's actually links/articles/pictures form elsewhere, then so be it, but I'd love to see original contributions from FTNers, interested parties and those that they know.

ohsocynical wrote:

RobertSnozers wrote:

NonOxCol wrote:Goodness me that Guardian editorial on the Lib Dems really is a frightful, contemptible pile of absolute steaming horseshit.

I hadn't read a Guardian editorial for several months before today. Have they really been this bad?

Any future cultural historians who want to understand how Britain's media became even more right-wing under the Coalition could do worse than read "The liberal moment has come", look at the policies the filth actually voted for over the course of four and a half years, and then read today's communication from Planet Beta, aka the "world's leading liberal voice".

The Guardian is dead. Time to consider the alternatives. My suggestion the other day that we try to start up a progressively-inclined news source here went down like a cup of cold sick, but what are the possibilities open to us who are fed up with rightwing hegemony in the serious press?

I thought it was a good idea. I think though it would demand more expertise or time than some of us [ me included ] feel they have. We'd have to leave it to those who could make a fist of it but I can't see why you don't give it a go.

Expertise, schmeckpertise - just how much effort do you think that hacks put into their efforts? Consider Wintour and Watt. Once you've stopped vomiting, think about how shallow their efforts are and how little work they actually put in. Now compare and contrast blogs like Zelostreet and TheGreenBench and OneButtonMonkey. Who's the more talented? Who deserves wider circulation?

Goodnight, everyone.

AngryAsWell wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:From Maria Eagle :
Did you hear what Liz Truss - the Tory Environment Secretary - announced was top of her priority list this week?

Bringing back fox hunting. That's right - instead of sorting out the mess they've made of our country, the Tories are fixating yet again on overturning the decade-old ban on this brutal bloodsport.

I'm not going to stand by and let this happen. Let's make so much noise that the Tories have to leave fox hunting in the dustbin of history.


Will you sign my petition against bringing back fox hunting now?


Yes - I'll sign the petition

Sorry - I'm pro fox hunting

There is so much that the Tories should be doing right now that would make life better for millions of people in our county. Doesn't it just speak volumes that they're choosing to obsess over this instead?

Labour consigned fox hunting to the history books - and that's where it belongs. Help us keep it there:



Sign the petition

Thank you,
Maria

Maria Eagle
Shadow Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

I'm trying to find the link to the petition - the one in the email goes to a page already filled out with my name, email and post code so don't want to share that ;(
Will post it later if I can find it

I don't think you need to worry about that AAW. It only comes up as filled in already because it recognises your IP address - we won't get the same, it'll be blank. Or that's been my understanding / experience anyway. Other techies here will know.

rebeccariots2 wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:From Maria Eagle :
Did you hear what Liz Truss - the Tory Environment Secretary - announced was top of her priority list this week?

Bringing back fox hunting. That's right - instead of sorting out the mess they've made of our country, the Tories are fixating yet again on overturning the decade-old ban on this brutal bloodsport.

I'm not going to stand by and let this happen. Let's make so much noise that the Tories have to leave fox hunting in the dustbin of history.


Will you sign my petition against bringing back fox hunting now?


Yes - I'll sign the petition

Sorry - I'm pro fox hunting

There is so much that the Tories should be doing right now that would make life better for millions of people in our county. Doesn't it just speak volumes that they're choosing to obsess over this instead?

Labour consigned fox hunting to the history books - and that's where it belongs. Help us keep it there:



Sign the petition

Thank you,
Maria

Maria Eagle
Shadow Secretary of State for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs

I'm trying to find the link to the petition - the one in the email goes to a page already filled out with my name, email and post code so don't want to share that ;(
Will post it later if I can find it

I don't think you need to worry about that AAW. It only comes up as filled in already because it recognises your IP address - we won't get the same, it'll be blank. Or that's been my understanding / experience anyway. Other techies here will know.

Not sure - I tried it in chrome and FF and both came up with details filled in, even after I stripped the email details out of the address. Its a link to share on FB (which I hardly use) so my details are in there somewhere.... to clever by half!

Night PF

ErnstRemarx wrote:Expertise, schmeckpertise - just how much effort do you think that hacks put into their efforts? Consider Wintour and Watt. Once you've stopped vomiting, think about how shallow their efforts are and how little work they actually put in. Now compare and contrast blogs like Zelostreet and TheGreenBench and OneButtonMonkey. Who's the more talented? Who deserves wider circulation?

I work on the theory if Hodges can do it a trained monkey could do it ...... better. As a semi trained monkey I'm more than happy to help out in my own limited way.

AngryAsWell wrote:

rebeccariots2 wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote: I'm trying to find the link to the petition - the one in the email goes to a page already filled out with my name, email and post code so don't want to share that ;(
Will post it later if I can find it

I don't think you need to worry about that AAW. It only comes up as filled in already because it recognises your IP address - we won't get the same, it'll be blank. Or that's been my understanding / experience anyway. Other techies here will know.

Not sure - I tried it in chrome and FF and both came up with details filled in, even after I stripped the email details out of the address. Its a link to share on FB (which I hardly use) so my details are in there somewhere.... to clever by half!

(I don't mind sharing with "us" - but this is a public forum..

@rebeccariots2
I've just PM'ed you re the FHB petition

The UK has 9 of the 10 poorest regions in Northern Europe, as well as the richest (London).
http://www.blog.rippedoffbritons.com/20 ... ign=buffer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ErnstRemarx wrote:

ohsocynical wrote:

RobertSnozers wrote: The Guardian is dead. Time to consider the alternatives. My suggestion the other day that we try to start up a progressively-inclined news source here went down like a cup of cold sick, but what are the possibilities open to us who are fed up with rightwing hegemony in the serious press?

I thought it was a good idea. I think though it would demand more expertise or time than some of us [ me included ] feel they have. We'd have to leave it to those who could make a fist of it but I can't see why you don't give it a go.

Expertise, schmeckpertise - just how much effort do you think that hacks put into their efforts? Consider Wintour and Watt. Once you've stopped vomiting, think about how shallow their efforts are and how little work they actually put in. Now compare and contrast blogs like Zelostreet and TheGreenBench and OneButtonMonkey. Who's the more talented? Who deserves wider circulation?

Are you both thinking of something like
RIPPED-OFF BRITONS ?
http://www.blog.rippedoffbritons.com/20 ... ign=buffer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'd do some research, but writing is not my best point.

ErnstRemarx wrote:

ohsocynical wrote:

RobertSnozers wrote: The Guardian is dead. Time to consider the alternatives. My suggestion the other day that we try to start up a progressively-inclined news source here went down like a cup of cold sick, but what are the possibilities open to us who are fed up with rightwing hegemony in the serious press?

I thought it was a good idea. I think though it would demand more expertise or time than some of us [ me included ] feel they have. We'd have to leave it to those who could make a fist of it but I can't see why you don't give it a go.

Expertise, schmeckpertise - just how much effort do you think that hacks put into their efforts? Consider Wintour and Watt. Once you've stopped vomiting, think about how shallow their efforts are and how little work they actually put in. Now compare and contrast blogs like Zelostreet and TheGreenBench and OneButtonMonkey. Who's the more talented? Who deserves wider circulation?

Great comment - and I think the answer is that the people who write for these web blogs are clever, grounded and committed. They often have other jobs and have to be good to gain credibility

The likes of Glover, Watt and Wintour (The Three Contemptibles) take themselves far too seriously, love o be part of the establishment and aren't really any good. They do though speak to a narrative that is popular in the circles they move in

When my latest yearly objective is fulfilled (winning the Euromillions) I would be delighted to fund, through this site, an alternative to the MSM shite we see being spread about. Until that day (hopefully soon) I will just continue to put in the odd post!



PS I do not count Hodges to be a journalist - just a twat......so have ignored him

ErnstRemarx wrote:

ohsocynical wrote:

RobertSnozers wrote: The Guardian is dead. Time to consider the alternatives. My suggestion the other day that we try to start up a progressively-inclined news source here went down like a cup of cold sick, but what are the possibilities open to us who are fed up with rightwing hegemony in the serious press?

I thought it was a good idea. I think though it would demand more expertise or time than some of us [ me included ] feel they have. We'd have to leave it to those who could make a fist of it but I can't see why you don't give it a go.

Expertise, schmeckpertise - just how much effort do you think that hacks put into their efforts? Consider Wintour and Watt. Once you've stopped vomiting, think about how shallow their efforts are and how little work they actually put in. Now compare and contrast blogs like Zelostreet and TheGreenBench and OneButtonMonkey. Who's the more talented? Who deserves wider circulation?

I've had articles and short stories published and been paid for them, so I know a lot of the drill. It's not what to write about, although I leant very heavily toward flippant taking the wee, but my grammar is so bad it takes me forever when I know it's going to be on wider public display.
And I'm not good at retaining a lot of the finer political detail. In fact I'm bloody awful at it.

I have had a long lay off since I dipped my toes in the chilly water of a writing career, and now lack quiet and a peaceful place to work in. You'd need a very good copy editor if you wanted any contributions from me

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

Night PF.

I am always happy to contribute the odd historical article.

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I think if you had a frontpage with links to the days main stories, like the i-papers, with the daily politics forum and various articles by members, it would be a good start, but it would need some sort of programming skills, I guess, of which I have none.

My grammar has improved dramatically over the last six months, so Im always happy to help there. Robert's is good as well.

Temulkar wrote:I think if you had a frontpage with links to the days main stories, like the i-papers, with the daily politics forum and various articles by members, it would be a good start, but it would need some sort of programming skills, I guess, of which I have none.

My grammar has improved dramatically over the last six months, so Im always happy to help there. Robert's is good as well.

I like this idea

cf news source - curation is key - but then so is really pushing it out. We need a map of what's going from who, through what means to who. And then working out how to get it to everyone else. (or something like that). There must be existing sources and distribution channels we can tap into --> synergy through collaboration.

Using something like this http://paper.li/

Temulkar wrote:I think if you had a frontpage with links to the days main stories, like the i-papers, with the daily politics forum and various articles by members, it would be a good start, but it would need some sort of programming skills, I guess, of which I have none.

My grammar has improved dramatically over the last six months, so Im always happy to help there. Robert's is good as well.

Well, I'm not an expert, but I've done a bit of web programming and built a couple of basic websites, so might be able to help there. I also know my way around a copy of Photoshop if that is of any use.

Temulkar wrote:Using something like this http://paper.li/

Looks interesting - thanks.

Slurp! Vote UKIP
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http://www.fileymercury.co.uk/news/nati ... -1-6878283" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Filey and Hunmanby Mercury wrote:Labour veteran Lord Prescott has accused Ed Miliband of showing a severe lack of ambition in a damning assessment of the party leader's "far too timid" strategy and underwhelming party conference performance.

Apologies but what the hell is Hunmanby?

tinyclanger2 wrote:

Temulkar wrote:Using something like this http://paper.li/

Looks interesting - thanks.

Here's one that an Edu-blogger does.

http://paper.li/GiftedPhoenix/1395054667

You might have to refresh of you have the blank one open too. Or get rid of the ad!

Temulkar wrote:I think if you had a frontpage with links to the days main stories, like the i-papers, with the daily politics forum and various articles by members, it would be a good start, but it would need some sort of programming skills, I guess, of which I have none.

My grammar has improved dramatically over the last six months, so Im always happy to help there. Robert's is good as well.

Sorry, I'm not really properly paying attention as I'm dipping in and out as I cook a curry. But - wouldn't that sort of of frontpage be fairly easy to maintain if there's a simple content management system that those of us with commitment - but not necessarily the advanced techie skills - could learn to use. Is it any more complex than maintaining / posting to / updating a web site?

Where did everyone go?

AngryAsWell wrote:Where did everyone go?

I'm still here, lurking while at work, although as the pub is nearly deserted on a Saturday night, I'm wondering where did the customers go. Recovery my arse.

Mehdi Hasan retweeted
Patrick Wintour ‏@patrickwintour · 4m4 minutes ago
“@charleshymas: #sundaytimes poll has Tories on 36%, Labour 34%, Ukip 13% and LibDems 7%. poll in fortnight will be best guide to conf.

What on earth is happening with the polls? truly can't be going up and down like this surely ?

Hobiejoe wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:Where did everyone go?

I'm still here, lurking while at work, although as the pub is nearly deserted on a Saturday night, I'm wondering where did the customers go. Recovery my arse.

Our local dead as a dormouse as well, no point going in, never anyone there

Evening.

"Vince Cable slams excessive Tory cuts to the working poor"


http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... rking-poor" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

@wightpaint doesn't post comments very often but when he is does,let's just say he isn't very impressed.

ohsocynical wrote:

giselle97 wrote:Sitting in a Costa Coffee ruminating about whether to return to Spain in a week's time. It's bucketing very cold rain outside and my winter clothes are in suitcases at the back of my storage container, together with my trusty PC, mouse and keyboard - which is why I'm not posting much anywhere!

@angry - good video and photo of handsome Ed, thanks.

I was really struggling with some of the recent posts from the "newer members" then read the confessions! Thought I had landed in Hell versus FTN!

re: "No-one likes Ed" I am quite content to be "No-one" and, just for clarification, I do most certainly like Ed.☺

I'm being nosy. Is the money laundering saga closed? Do you have to sell your house again?

The money laundering wasn't pursued OhSo but the bloke then "lost" £48,000 when money was "stolen" from his on line bank account. Apparently, there was a betting site involved. By that time, I was really despairing of ever completing the sale but got assurances from all solicitors and it went through on 09/09 after I had spent a week in a house empty of everything exept a borrowed put you up!

I'm now on a property search and living in Premier Inn!

AngryAsWell wrote:Mehdi Hasan retweeted
Patrick Wintour ‏@patrickwintour · 4m4 minutes ago
“@charleshymas: #sundaytimes poll has Tories on 36%, Labour 34%, Ukip 13% and LibDems 7%. poll in fortnight will be best guide to conf.

What on earth is happening with the polls? truly can't be going up and down like this surely ?

We need to know when the polling was done and also what the weighting is. I'm guessing just a conference bounce and will go back to "normal" on Tuesday.

Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB · Oct 2
LAB 10% up in Heywood by-election poll mostly down to collapse of LD vote. See this from Sky

This is from much earlier this week, not recent

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.fileymercury.co.uk/news/nati ... -1-6878283

The Filey and Hunmanby Mercury wrote:Labour veteran Lord Prescott has accused Ed Miliband of showing a severe lack of ambition in a damning assessment of the party leader's "far too timid" strategy and underwhelming party conference performance.

Apologies but what the hell is Hunmanby?

Without looking it up, Hunmanby is a place, with a fee-paying girls school. One of my primary school classmates was going there - that was a very, very long time ago so may not be the case now.

giselle97 wrote:

ohsocynical wrote:

giselle97 wrote:Sitting in a Costa Coffee ruminating about whether to return to Spain in a week's time. It's bucketing very cold rain outside and my winter clothes are in suitcases at the back of my storage container, together with my trusty PC, mouse and keyboard - which is why I'm not posting much anywhere!

@angry - good video and photo of handsome Ed, thanks.

I was really struggling with some of the recent posts from the "newer members" then read the confessions! Thought I had landed in Hell versus FTN!

re: "No-one likes Ed" I am quite content to be "No-one" and, just for clarification, I do most certainly like Ed.☺

I'm being nosy. Is the money laundering saga closed? Do you have to sell your house again?

The money laundering wasn't pursued OhSo but the bloke then "lost" £48,000 when money was "stolen" from his on line bank account. Apparently, there was a betting site involved. By that time, I was really despairing of ever completing the sale but got assurances from all solicitors and it went through on 09/09 after I had spent a week in a house empty of everything exept a borrowed put you up!

I'm now on a property search and living in Premier Inn!

I wish you every success...You deserve somewhere nice after all you've been through selling your house. Must have been very stressful.

Politico Daily ‏@Politico_Daily 5m5 minutes ago
Tonight's YouGov/S-Times poll:
Conservative 36 +1
Labour 34
Liberal Democrat 7 +1
UKIP 13 -1
Others 10 -1

I see Uncle Vince has been out on his Sunday drive again:

Vince Cable slams excessive Conservative cuts on working poor
Lib Dem business secretary says Tories are planning punitive cuts that go 'far beyond' what is needed to cut deficit

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... rking-poor" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;