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"We weren't working class but we weren't middle class," [Ben]Drew has said. "We were in the void in between."

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Many people fall between two stools and so may well feel uncomfortable, or even bullied, at being expected to choose a side.

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PorFavor wrote:This quote from the Independent's interview with Ben Drew (Plan B) explains what I'm on about -

"We weren't working class but we weren't middle class," [Ben]Drew has said. "We were in the void in between."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/peop ... 75736.html

That "void" can actually be quite a difficult space to inhabit.

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citizenJA wrote:

PorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.

Many people fall between two stools and so may well feel uncomfortable, or even bullied, at being expected to choose a side.
Edited - tidy up

I think PorFavor has identified something fundamentally important regarding current affairs right here. What I've written below may be related but I won't presume.

Independently wealthy people not reliant on their labour or pensions in multiple nations aren't working class and the rest of us are. My class definition isn't the same as contemporary and historical class designations but those traditional meanings divide people compromising their best interests. Identifying with each other instead of quarrelling would help. I don't know how to do that.

tinyclanger2 wrote:We need to work on overriding it more often,

Populists combine anti-elitism with a conviction that they hold a superior vision of what it means to be a true citizen of their nation. We expected support for populism to be associated with national collective narcissism—an unrealistic belief in the greatness of the national group, which should increase in response to perceived in-group disadvantage. In Study 1 (Polish participants; n = 1,007), national collective narcissism predicted support for the populist Law and Justice party. In the experimental Study 2 (British participants; n = 497), perceived long-term in-group disadvantage led to greater support for Brexit and this relationship was accounted for by national collective narcissism. In Study 3 (American participants; n = 403), group relative deprivation predicted support for Donald Trump and this relationship was accounted for by national collective narcissism. These associations were present even when we controlled for conventional national identification. We discuss implications of the link between collective narcissism and support for populism.

tinyclanger2 wrote:I suspect that the Labour membership comprise part of the electorate. But thanks for the - er - advice.

Willow904 wrote:There wasn't much sign of that membership "diversity" during the last NEC elections. As things stand, it's likely the membership will elect whoever Momentum tells them to elect as the next leader, so the real question is probably whether or not Momentum's leadership are close to the electorate.

Will be pleased to be proved wrong, I'd like to be surprised by some genuine soul searching, but I doubt it.

gilsey wrote:BJ’s just demonstrated that the electorate doesn’t know what’s good for them.

What’s the lesson for Labour?

HindleA wrote:The purpose and effect of Momentum is indeed specifically to remove diversity,not insignificant numbers of membrs are completely aware of their and their proponents deception.

Willow904 wrote:There wasn't much sign of that membership "diversity" during the last NEC elections. As things stand, it's likely the membership will elect whoever Momentum tells them to elect as the next leader, so the real question is probably whether or not Momentum's leadership are close to the electorate.

Will be pleased to be proved wrong, I'd like to be surprised by some genuine soul searching, but I doubt it.

citizenJA wrote:

Willow904 wrote:There wasn't much sign of that membership "diversity" during the last NEC elections. As things stand, it's likely the membership will elect whoever Momentum tells them to elect as the next leader, so the real question is probably whether or not Momentum's leadership are close to the electorate.

Will be pleased to be proved wrong, I'd like to be surprised by some genuine soul searching, but I doubt it.

Is that group really all that powerful within the Labour party?

PorFavor wrote:@AnatolyKasparo

Angela Rayner seems the best choice to me.

HindleA wrote:Why exclude on any basis,I thought better of Cja.I have both a trust fund and the title "Supreme Being of both the Known and Unknown World"(among others)

PorFavor wrote:I'd heard that there was chaos in Doncaster . . .

HindleA wrote:The more the defeat ,the supposed more due to media bias and the more the threat'must have been is a circuituous route to nowhere.

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:I just want to make sure all of us are ok, because I'm not.

Sky'sGoneOut wrote:I just want to make sure all of us are ok, because I'm not.

HindleA wrote:You don't have to be hard left to exhibit/be effected by their pernicious consequences,there is no "but",it was a fucking disaster.Indeed a radical transformation is needed.