Re: Saturday 9th, Sunday 10th May 2015
Posted: Sat 09 May, 2015 12:53 pm
Karl Turner ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Turner_(politician)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Turner_(politician)
He already got elected in the USA, first time in 2008 assumed office Jan 2009.AngryAsWell wrote:Karl Turner ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Turner_(politician)
If you're from Bracknell, I suspect it would...Never had a conversation with anyone on that particular matter, but judging by the votes for UKIP and BNP, I think I know the answer.citizenJA wrote:Angela Eagle is articulate, experienced & she's a lesbian.
Where I've come from, being gay & standing for public office usually ain' no thing.
Does it matter here in the UK?
I was being seriouscitizenJA wrote:He already got elected in the USA, first time in 2008 assumed office Jan 2009.AngryAsWell wrote:Karl Turner ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Turner_(politician)
Hi Willow,Willow904 wrote:I know next to nothing of Dan Jarvis but my instinct is that if Labour are looking for 'something completely different' he would probably fit the bill. He would be very hard for the MSM to attack, being one of 'our boys', which would be extremely useful for Labour as the unremitting media onslaught on Ed was a big factor in his failure to win.yahyah wrote:It's giving me a new headache tbh.
In this media age do we go more by head than heart ?
Jarvis comes across well from what I've seen, and if we are leaching votes in the North someone who won't get written off by people who've shifted to UKIP must be an advantage.
But Jarvis would wind up the green leaners, because of his military background.
Don't know where he stands within Labour either...if anyone does would you mind sharing your views please ?
Would like a strong woman other than Cooper to consider, but she has too much baggage.
We don't have the luxury of the small parties, we need a leader who people of all types/ages/social groups will listen to.
How odd that link not working, but if you google search the wiki page comes up and its there and the address is exactly the same (I copied and pasted it) ?AngryAsWell wrote:Karl Turner ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Turner_(politician)
I thank you sincerely, my friend. I needed to know, or have confirmed, maybe, what I suspected to be true. I understand. I needed to know.ohsocynical wrote:If you're from Bracknell, I suspect it would...Never had a conversation with anyone on that particular matter, but judging by the votes for UKIP and BNP, I think I know the answer.citizenJA wrote:Angela Eagle is articulate, experienced & she's a lesbian.
Where I've come from, being gay & standing for public office usually ain' no thing.
Does it matter here in the UK?
As for me, I'm not that keen on female politicians let alone as leader or PM.
I didn't like Sturgeon, Wood or Bennet the way they turned on Ed. I was ashamed of them, because I felt that as women they shouldn't be deliberately making it harder for Ed to make lives better, but they get a sniff of power and seem to lose their humanity. I expect it of men, [Sorry again] which was why Ed was such a pleasant surprise.
My prejudice is an age and generational thing so you'll have to excuse me. I accept it's a different world now but I can't seem to embrace it wholly.
Also I remember Maggie.
Well saidWillow904 wrote:I'm fed up of people telling Labour what to do. Blairite values are Tory values and we've already got more than enough Tories, thank you.Swarthlander wrote:And the media are already muck-stirring.![]()
"Go back to Blairite values" and "Will David Milliband aim for Leadership?"
If those are the answers then the question is total shite.
I thought you were playing. The link is to a fictional person, I think. Did I misunderstand? I replied in a joke manner because the impression President Obama gave many in the US (at least the political people I hung out with - okay, maybe I'm just odd, fair enough, if true) is that he rather sprung from the fog with little biography attached to him. Exquisitely intelligent, good-hearted, a Democrat, African-American, fair yet able to play well with Republicans...I haven't the slightest idea who the guy is to this day.AngryAsWell wrote:How odd that link not working, but if you google search the wiki page comes up and its there and the address is exactly the same (I copied and pasted it) ?AngryAsWell wrote:Karl Turner ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Turner_(politician)
Yep. You're just about as correct as you could be. What the hell do we do.daydreamer wrote:Hi Willow,Willow904 wrote:I know next to nothing of Dan Jarvis but my instinct is that if Labour are looking for 'something completely different' he would probably fit the bill. He would be very hard for the MSM to attack, being one of 'our boys', which would be extremely useful for Labour as the unremitting media onslaught on Ed was a big factor in his failure to win.yahyah wrote:It's giving me a new headache tbh.
In this media age do we go more by head than heart ?
Jarvis comes across well from what I've seen, and if we are leaching votes in the North someone who won't get written off by people who've shifted to UKIP must be an advantage.
But Jarvis would wind up the green leaners, because of his military background.
Don't know where he stands within Labour either...if anyone does would you mind sharing your views please ?
Would like a strong woman other than Cooper to consider, but she has too much baggage.
We don't have the luxury of the small parties, we need a leader who people of all types/ages/social groups will listen to.
Good point, the media would look a bit hypocritical attacking one of 'our boys' Many of the MSM, tabloids especially have made a point of supporting the armed services.
He may, as Yahyah points out put off green inclined voters and those alienated by the party's involvement in Iraq. However, it doesn't necessary follow that he'd be someone keen to get us involved in military 'adventures' (though it is a risk). He might actually be more inclined not to commit our troops so readily to oversea's interventions having seen what war is really like on the ground. He'll be more aware of the human cost, I would think. He might also understand better the need to have a plan for what needs to happen once the war is won, something missing from Iraq etc.
Yes, the media onslaught of Ed was a big factor in his failure, even though at the end many started warming to him, being able to see the real person behind the media manipulation, it was still not enough. (I still like Ed, the scum media won't change my mind about him). But even if it's Jarvis, (or anyone), they'll still come under an onslaught. Don't forget it is the same for any Labour leader. Historically, a lot of good leaders have failed to win for Labour, and the media have played a large part in this.
Hallelujah, Ohso!ohsocynical wrote:@PK
Sorry about your sad news.
@CitizenJ/A
Did you find the link you were looking for?
The rest of you beautiful people.
So many times over the last few days, I've found myself trying to click like!
Your posts have been uplifting, insightful and encouraging and just plain lovely, so consider yourselves well and truly clicked.
And I'm still angry!
I don't know a lot about him but have an acquaintance in Hull who really rates him as a constituency MPcitizenJA wrote:I thought you were playing. The link is to a fictional person, I think. Did I misunderstand? I replied in a joke manner because the impression President Obama gave many in the US (at least the political people I hung out with - okay, maybe I'm just odd, fair enough, if true) is that he rather sprung from the fog with little biography attached to him. Exquisitely intelligent, good-hearted, a Democrat, African-American, fair yet able to play well with Republicans...I haven't the slightest idea who the guy is to this day.AngryAsWell wrote:How odd that link not working, but if you google search the wiki page comes up and its there and the address is exactly the same (I copied and pasted it) ?AngryAsWell wrote:Karl Turner ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Turner_(politician)
Apologies! I've got it now.AngryAsWell wrote:I don't know a lot about him but have an acquaintance in Hull who really rates him as a constituency MPcitizenJA wrote:I thought you were playing. The link is to a fictional person, I think. Did I misunderstand? I replied in a joke manner because the impression President Obama gave many in the US (at least the political people I hung out with - okay, maybe I'm just odd, fair enough, if true) is that he rather sprung from the fog with little biography attached to him. Exquisitely intelligent, good-hearted, a Democrat, African-American, fair yet able to play well with Republicans...I haven't the slightest idea who the guy is to this day.AngryAsWell wrote: How odd that link not working, but if you google search the wiki page comes up and its there and the address is exactly the same (I copied and pasted it) ?
https://twitter.com/KarlTurnerMP
PorFavor wrote:Hello!JustMom wrote:'morning everyone, what do you all think of caroline flint as leader ?
Are we pre-watershed, still?
AAW, the closing bracket was messing up the link (I blame PFAngryAsWell wrote:How odd that link not working, but if you google search the wiki page comes up and its there and the address is exactly the same (I copied and pasted it) ?AngryAsWell wrote:Karl Turner ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Turner_(politician)
Thank yourefitman wrote:AAW, the closing bracket was messing up the link (I blame PFAngryAsWell wrote:How odd that link not working, but if you google search the wiki page comes up and its there and the address is exactly the same (I copied and pasted it) ?AngryAsWell wrote:Karl Turner ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Turner_(politician)). Have fixed it in your original post and the one I am replying to.
refitman wrote:AAW, the closing bracket was messing up the link (I blame PFAngryAsWell wrote:How odd that link not working, but if you google search the wiki page comes up and its there and the address is exactly the same (I copied and pasted it) ?AngryAsWell wrote:Karl Turner ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Turner_(politician)). Have fixed it in your original post and the one I am replying to.
I'm so sorry, PK.pk1 wrote:Exactly this.Willow904 wrote:
I know next to nothing of Dan Jarvis but my instinct is that if Labour are looking for 'something completely different' he would probably fit the bill. He would be very hard for the MSM to attack, being one of 'our boys', which would be extremely useful for Labour as the unremitting media onslaught on Ed was a big factor in his failure to win.
How often we hear that politicians are nothing like us. Nobody could say that about Jarvis.
He has an interesting back story & has proven leadership skills - leading a troop of men in a war situation is something I suggest most of us will never have done in our lifetime.
Watch him when he speaks in Parliament, particularly at PMQ's - he speaks & all the caterwauling & insults stop. He commands silence in the House. He has gravitas.
I don't want a clown like Dave as my PM & if I can't have Ed, I'll have a man that speaks with authority & commands respect from all who hear him.
I'm still in shock, close to tears at times but yesterday evening also taught me that politics has to take a back seat when real life intrudes. My youngest son was on holiday in Spain with his girlfriend when his Dad, my ex, revealed that the lung cancer he developed 6 months after my own was discovered, had spread to his brain & he has a life expectancy iro 3 months. This is what I had to share with my boy at 1am when he got home, full of the joy of his holiday & I had to bring him crashing down to earth.
Now she is good. Always on top of her brief. Very good speaker - articulate, well briefed as I said, and can properly do passion.Mark Ferguson @Markfergusonuk · 1h 1 hour ago
Hearing Mary Creagh is throwing her hat into the ring for Labour leader. More hats thrown than a fight in a hat shop at this rate
Yeah, but it says (not that you can trust The Telegraph)Swarthlander wrote:From last March...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general ... eader.htmlSteely-eyed messenger of death
And another positive - the Daily Heil don't like him.
And, yuk, Progress:Jarvis is a spoiler candidate. He is being inserted into the race to stop other candidates from winning: to “split the field” in Westminster jargon. The first person he is supposed to stop is Chuka Umunna, the shadow business secretary. Umunna is currently the voice of Labour’s new generation. Elected in 2010, he has, according to one shadow cabinet colleague, “got something we’ve been missing. A bit of magic”. So Jarvis is being sent out to scatter some of his own magic dust. As one Labour MP explains, “Dan’s being talked up to deliberately split the moderniser vote”.
Though, like I said it's The Telegraph.By whom? The current driving force behind the Jarvis campaign are Progress, the Blairite pressure group. Their motivation is threefold. Many Progress members have never forgiven Umunna’s youthful dalliance with rival Left-wing pressure group Compass. They also feel that after being marginalised under Ed Miliband, they need their own candidate to prove continuing influence. And they believe Jarvis’s lack of ideological baggage gives them an opportunity to shape his thinking and, by extension, the terms of Labour’s internal debate.
I hear you & I can't thank you enough for pinpointing exactly how I feel. My husband & I are in shock. We're beside ourselves.ohsocynical wrote:I sympathise CJ/A
I haven't read a paper, watched the news on TV or even looked at Twitter. I still can't bear it. And if I start talking about it to Mr Ohso, I get a huge knot of anger build up in my chest.
I suppose it'll get better, but I can't get through, round or over it at present.
(my bold)pk1 wrote:Thanks everyone but the bad news is not mine. The bad news belongs to my ex-husband & to my children. They are the ones hurting with that news, not me. I hurt for my boys because as a Mum, that's what we do
My hurt is for the loss of a damn good man that had a vision for the country in which we all have a share & a country in which each was as worthy as the other.
It feels as though it will be a long long time before we get anything like that.
http://www.progressonline.org.uk/about- ... r-patrons/AngryAsWell wrote:Just reading the LL Who might be next? and saw this below the line
"Doug Smith • an hour ago
Dan Jarvis: "Difficult to pin down ideologically". Jarvis is a vice-chair of Progress - i.e. he's on the Blairite hard-Right of the Labour Party."
I didn't know that, and not keen on going backwards
Hello, ohsocynical. This is a tough time, isn't it? And just as I thought the Labour Party was turning the corner. It's not only that we've lost an inspirational leader, but it seems likely that we will lose the values that he stood for. That's a double blow.ohsocynical wrote:I sympathise CJ/A
I haven't read a paper, watched the news on TV or even looked at Twitter. I still can't bear it. And if I start talking about it to Mr Ohso, I get a huge knot of anger build up in my chest.
I suppose it'll get better, but I can't get through, round or over it at present.
Yep.PorFavor wrote:Hello, ohsocynical. This is a tough time, isn't it? And just as I thought the Labour Party was turning the corner. It's not only that we've lost an inspirational leader, but it seems likely that we will lose the values that he stood for. That's a double blow.ohsocynical wrote:I sympathise CJ/A
I haven't read a paper, watched the news on TV or even looked at Twitter. I still can't bear it. And if I start talking about it to Mr Ohso, I get a huge knot of anger build up in my chest.
I suppose it'll get better, but I can't get through, round or over it at present.
I think we all know that cJAcitizenJA wrote:I hear you & I can't thank you enough for pinpointing exactly how I feel. My husband & I are in shock. We're beside ourselves.ohsocynical wrote:I sympathise CJ/A
I haven't read a paper, watched the news on TV or even looked at Twitter. I still can't bear it. And if I start talking about it to Mr Ohso, I get a huge knot of anger build up in my chest.
I suppose it'll get better, but I can't get through, round or over it at present.
Apologies to you all here if I've misunderstood something & responded in some way inexplicable. Please know I don't mean any harm at all.
I got that and I'd hoped that my message to you conveyed that I did. Sorry if I failed on that score. In many ways, it's probably harder to hurt for a child's pain than for your own.pk1 wrote:
Thanks everyone but the bad news is not mine. The bad news belongs to my ex-husband & to my children. They are the ones hurting with that news, not me. I hurt for my boys because as a Mum, that's what we do![]()
Thank you Martin Rowson. Managed to make me smile - even today.Martin Rowson @MartinRowson · 22h 22 hours ago
If anyone cares at this point, I'm gunning (geddit?) for Dan Jarvis as leader. Labour needs someone who can kill Cameron with his bare hands
In my opinion no. Too much baggage.citizenJA wrote: Is Andy Burnham a leader of the Labour party?
He has John Mann's backing though and that guy is no Blairite.AngryAsWell wrote:Just reading the LL Who might be next? and saw this below the line
"Doug Smith • an hour ago
Dan Jarvis: "Difficult to pin down ideologically". Jarvis is a vice-chair of Progress - i.e. he's on the Blairite hard-Right of the Labour Party."
I didn't know that, and not keen on going backwards