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Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 9:34 pm
by ohsocynical
Frank Field's poverty study

Last modified on Thursday 31 December 2015 21.21 GMT

However worthy or weighty a report, the practical effect – if there is one at all – can reliably be summed up in a sentence or two. Frank Field's study on poor

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... l#comments
BTL.
maraq 6 Dec 2010 2:38
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Wikipedia highlights: Used to be in the Tory Party, deeply admires Maggie -and even calls her the gay tory groupie term "Mrs T" and is a member of the Anglican Synod....And this is someone representing the poor!
I didn't know that about Frank Fields.

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 10:00 pm
by 55DegreesNorth
Vordy wrote:Evening All.


DWP plans to harass children.

Not content with harassing adults to the point of dispair, the DWP now have plans to come into schools and offer “advice”. This will consist of workshops and one to one sessions to ensure that no child is at risk of “worklessness”.

They’ve already stated that children are at risk of worklessness in their Troubled Families phase 2 scheme. This is terrible. Children should be allowed to be children. To deny them of this ability is in my eyes downright cruelty.

No child wants a DWP official constantly brainwashing them into becoming a drone for the capitalist society. They want to learn standard lessons and to be able to play with their friends. Work should be far from their minds.

The school that has allowed this to happen have stated that they find this “exciting”. I don’t know if it’s just me but I don’t agree with this.

Having witnessed many, many accounts of DWP cruelty, bullying and harrasment I cannot see this as being exciting.

There’s an old saying and I can’t quite remember exactly how it goes, but it does say that to fully indococtrinate society you have to start with the young. They are easily mouldable into new ways of thinking.

Parents need to oppose this. There aren’t enough job positions out there for all young people to become employed in. A lot of previously paid jobs have now been changed to workfare positions. But maybe that’s what they want all our young people to do, to work for nothing. After all they’ve made it impossible for poorer children to attend university and achieve good qualifications so that they can find a good job.

Please read the below post. Oh and my daughter will not be attending any of these DWP sessions if they do start in her school. They aren’t getting their hands on her. After all th DWP wanted my unborn grandson to die.

Do not let this happen folks.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/jobc ... to-schools" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Source:

https://thepoorsideoflife.wordpress.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A bit reminiscent of Hitler Youth.
Its also a backdoor way of addressing the disaster that was the axing of the Connexions guidance service at the start of the coalition, to be replaced with: a). Nothing; then B). This bag of shit, with unqualified staff operating in utterly the wrong environment.

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 10:05 pm
by citizenJA
"...who doesn’t want to see Corbyn elected? Can you think of anything more ridiculous than a man of principle
being inexplicably elected to high office? It’ll be like a Peter Sellers movie. Sure, he’ll be crushed under the
heel of international finance, but I for one look forward to his glorious six-day premiership. His brief reign will
be a high point for modern Britain, a time that we will commemorate every year by leaving ironic poppies
balanced on the lip of the missile crater where his house used to be, a time we will reminisce about fondly
during the five-minute socialisation breaks when they lower the dividing walls between our work cubes.
"

- Frankie Boyle
19 January 2016


http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ed-murdoch" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 10:11 pm
by citizenJA
"The Labour party has, from the beginning, been made up of diverse factions; that’s its beauty –
asking it to become cohesive is like trying to find one shampoo that will care for the hair of everybody...
"

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 10:14 pm
by citizenJA
"...it’s difficult to explain why an ingrained assumption is wrong in a soundbite..."

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 10:15 pm
by RogerOThornhill
Anti-EU Labour Campaign Website Is Secretly Run By Former Gove Adviser

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/lab ... .vuyZDZ04j
Labour Leave, which formally launches on Wednesday, has described itself as “a Labour campaign, run by, staffed by and funded by Labour members”.

However, BuzzFeed News has learned its website is registered to Dominic Cummings, a former special adviser to Michael Gove who pushed through some of the former education secretary’s most radical reforms and now works for the Vote Leave campaign. The administrative address for Labour Leave’s website domain is also given as Vote Leave’s headquarters in central London.
Not clever.

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 10:27 pm
by rebeccariots2
RogerOThornhill wrote:Anti-EU Labour Campaign Website Is Secretly Run By Former Gove Adviser

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/lab ... .vuyZDZ04j
Labour Leave, which formally launches on Wednesday, has described itself as “a Labour campaign, run by, staffed by and funded by Labour members”.

However, BuzzFeed News has learned its website is registered to Dominic Cummings, a former special adviser to Michael Gove who pushed through some of the former education secretary’s most radical reforms and now works for the Vote Leave campaign. The administrative address for Labour Leave’s website domain is also given as Vote Leave’s headquarters in central London.
Not clever.
That's putting it kindly Roger. Just what shouldn't be happening.

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 10:27 pm
by HindleA
Can I be bothered chasing up non receivership of Christmas Bonus,no is the short answer.

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 10:28 pm
by rebeccariots2
HindleA wrote:I really didn't think they would target poorer pensioner home owners,this even has the Wail up in arms,although IDS has given himself leeway to apply in any way he wishes.Not even timelimited but complete removal was also a shock.
Which of his vile policies is this about HindleA?

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 10:32 pm
by HindleA
The conversion of support for mortgage interest to a repayable interest bearing loan with charges at best.Sorry,should have made it more clear.

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 10:32 pm
by citizenJA
"Powerful people are generally quite well aware of what they are doing and –
should you ever make it past their security – will respond to your truth-speaking
with a look that says: “you don’t know the half of it”. The thing you can rely on
about self-interested people is that they won’t really be interested in you. They
don’t care, and you’re not going to find the right form of words that suddenly
makes them care.
"

(my bold)

I'm so impressed with Boyle's article, I'm running the risk of putting others off it by tediously posting
it in italicised quotations here. I'll stop after I give the reason I've bolded the italicised bit. The most
self-interested government in modern UK history is currently on year six of their superintendence of
people and country. Pray to gods known and unknown. I'm trying to find a vegetarian version of the
ham dish Ohso and Ephe were writing about earlier.

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 10:34 pm
by citizenJA
RogerOThornhill wrote:Anti-EU Labour Campaign Website Is Secretly Run By Former Gove Adviser

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/lab ... .vuyZDZ04j
Labour Leave, which formally launches on Wednesday, has described itself as “a Labour campaign, run by, staffed by and funded by Labour members”.

However, BuzzFeed News has learned its website is registered to Dominic Cummings, a former special adviser to Michael Gove who pushed through some of the former education secretary’s most radical reforms and now works for the Vote Leave campaign. The administrative address for Labour Leave’s website domain is also given as Vote Leave’s headquarters in central London.
Not clever.
That has to be actionable.

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 10:43 pm
by citizenJA
Okay, I see there's not a unified affinity for the Boyle piece below the line from commentator's I respect. That's fine. I'll go back and learn what I might have missed making the article objectionable.

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 11:02 pm
by citizenJA
Human rights groups condemn steep rise in UK arms sales to Saudis

More than £1bn worth of bombs, missiles and rockets were sold under government licence
to Saudi Arabia over three months last summer, according to human rights groups.

The extraordinary increase in sales, which coincided with a surge of airstrikes by a Saudi-led
coalition on Houthi rebels in Yemen, was condemned by Saferworld, which campaigns against
arms sales to repressive regimes.

Last month Saferworld and Amnesty commissioned a legal opinion from Professor Philippe Sands QC
and other lawyers which concluded that British arms sales to Saudi Arabia, in the context of its
military intervention and bombing campaign in Yemen, were breaking national, EU and
international law.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/j ... -to-saudis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
“The day after the prime minister [David Cameron] claimed to be ‘trying to encourage a political process in Yemen’
and declared ‘there is no military solution in Yemen’, official figures reveal that in just the three months July to
September, the government approved the sale of over £1bn worth of bombs for the use of the Royal Saudi Air Force."

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 11:03 pm
by seeingclearly
Vordy wrote:Evening All.


DWP plans to harass children.

Not content with harassing adults to the point of dispair, the DWP now have plans to come into schools and offer “advice”. This will consist of workshops and one to one sessions to ensure that no child is at risk of “worklessness”.

They’ve already stated that children are at risk of worklessness in their Troubled Families phase 2 scheme. This is terrible. Children should be allowed to be children. To deny them of this ability is in my eyes downright cruelty.

No child wants a DWP official constantly brainwashing them into becoming a drone for the capitalist society. They want to learn standard lessons and to be able to play with their friends. Work should be far from their minds.

The school that has allowed this to happen have stated that they find this “exciting”. I don’t know if it’s just me but I don’t agree with this.

Having witnessed many, many accounts of DWP cruelty, bullying and harrasment I cannot see this as being exciting.

There’s an old saying and I can’t quite remember exactly how it goes, but it does say that to fully indococtrinate society you have to start with the young. They are easily mouldable into new ways of thinking.

Parents need to oppose this. There aren’t enough job positions out there for all young people to become employed in. A lot of previously paid jobs have now been changed to workfare positions. But maybe that’s what they want all our young people to do, to work for nothing. After all they’ve made it impossible for poorer children to attend university and achieve good qualifications so that they can find a good job.

Please read the below post. Oh and my daughter will not be attending any of these DWP sessions if they do start in her school. They aren’t getting their hands on her. After all th DWP wanted my unborn grandson to die.

Do not let this happen folks.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/jobc ... to-schools" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Source:

https://thepoorsideoflife.wordpress.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A bit reminiscent of Hitler Youth.
There was a perfectly good system in place that fulfilled this kind of role in a friendly helpful and user prioritised way, confidential too, but also able to tap into LEA support, and offer liaison services between schools and colleges, and disability advice. It was called Connexions, and was largely if not completely axed during the coalition government. Young people trusted it and it was respectful of their needs as individuals with hopes and individuality.

I despair, I really do, current policies are utterly poisonous, we are only a couple of weeks into this year and already it stinks.

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 11:08 pm
by rebeccariots2
Labour Left ‏@LabourLeft 39m39 minutes ago
"UK post offices to close or be franchised – the list in full"
http://gu.com/p/4gvzq/stw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 11:11 pm
by rebeccariots2
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Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 11:12 pm
by seeingclearly
Apologies to 55degreesNorth, had not seen post on connexions due to reading newest posts first. But nice that people here still remember these things that were swept away, sometimes it feels as though pre-2010 was not just a different time, but another country altogether.

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 11:24 pm
by rebeccariots2
More trouble on the EU horizon ... Newsnight finishing on news that the Dublin agreement which says that migrants should register in the first EU country they reach and that country is then responsible for them ... is up for being scrapped as it isn't working. It's more or less in abeyance since Merkel said they wouldn't send migrants back to Italy or Greece - and Schengen is pretty much in abeyance too. Suggestions that a new rule to replace the Dublin agreement will probably be based on quota sharing.

The UK is signed up to the Dublin agreement - but not to Schengen. The kind of new arrangements being suggested are going to be very unhelpful to those campaigning for staying in if they are being publicised and negotiated during the referendum campaign. And it looks likely they will be. The Sun is, of course, using this as their front page immigration scarer tomorrow.

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 11:34 pm
by citizenJA
rebeccariots2 wrote:More trouble on the EU horizon ... Newsnight finishing on news that the Dublin agreement which says that migrants should register in the first EU country they reach and that country is then responsible for them ... is up for being scrapped as it isn't working. It's more or less in abeyance since Merkel said they wouldn't send migrants back to Italy or Greece - and Schengen is pretty much in abeyance too. Suggestions that a new rule to replace the Dublin agreement will probably be based on quota sharing.

The UK is signed up to the Dublin agreement - but not to Schengen. The kind of new arrangements being suggested are going to be very unhelpful to those campaigning for staying in if they are being publicised and negotiated during the referendum campaign. And it looks likely they will be. The Sun is, of course, using this as their front page immigration scarer tomorrow.
The Sun could ask why refugees have to flee violence and come to the EU.

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 11:43 pm
by rebeccariots2
Very depressing Newsnight item on the new right government in Poland and how it has moved to directly control the state media ... it's trying to model itself on Orban's Hungary apparently which shows pretty flagrant disregard for the bits of EU treaties and agreements they don't like - such as treatment of migrants.

The most depressing element of it was the resigned conclusion that although the EU is looking into the Polish government's actions re the media and the constitutional court - as they would seem to breach EU regulations and codes - they won't do anything about it because Poland is considered too important a member right now.

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Tue 19 Jan, 2016 11:45 pm
by HindleA
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... d-10754024" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bedroom Tax victory: Brain damaged ex-footballer in Rocket flyover fall beats hated Tory policy

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Wed 20 Jan, 2016 12:09 am
by citizenJA
Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

Re: Tuesday 19th January 2016

Posted: Wed 20 Jan, 2016 6:13 am
by utopiandreams
HindleA wrote:http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... d-10754024

Bedroom Tax victory: Brain damaged ex-footballer in Rocket flyover fall beats hated Tory policy
I followed your link, A, and also spotted this case, Brutality of the Bedroom Tax exposed in disgraceful images of disabled Merseyside man driven from home (http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... ul-9911421). It's difficult to select an individual quote as its all so tragic and unnecessary, but perhaps this highlights its banality.
And in a final insult, their old home is now occupied by an elderly couple who are exempt from the tax while Rob and his family have been forced to move THREE times.

Rob suffers from cerebral palsy , epilepsy, double incontinence and has a mental age of four.

He lived in his family’s four-bedroom home for 24 years and the local council spent £70,000 adapting it.
I note the family turned to their MP for help but notice no mention of IDS or Cameron. I do not believe they haven't been approached about similar cases but their belief shall always trump anecdote because in their eyes it is not real life.

As I've said before whenever I think of Cameron and his lies at the dispatch box about the disabled and the Bedroom Tax, why am I always reminded that my late wife and I never contemplated claiming DLA for our infant daughter (until she was older and a full year after my wife's stroke), whereas pig-fucker had no such qualms. I don't personally know anyone affected by the under-occupancy penalty and neither would it have applied to us but I am grateful that my wife is no longer with us to suffer the indignities of this government although I still have concerns for my daughter.