Friday 8th April 2016

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 3:23 pm

yahyah wrote:Afternoon. Sex ? What have I missed ?

It was great to see the press front pages in the papershop this morning.
Massed bad headlines for Cameron.

& phew, relief...my GP is ''delighted'' at my progress, seems satisfied now I don't need a neurological opinion as the drug regime is cutting down the attacks and frequency of the attacks.

Good news about your health!

Oh - and the sex reference -

It's always been said that Labour get caught out with money scandals and that the Conservatives get caught out on sex scandals.

And - where's George Osborne?

Edited

typo

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 3:23 pm

The news front pages:
http://www.thepaperboy.com/uk/front-pages.cfm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 3:25 pm

PorFavor wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote:
Willow904 wrote:Ok. I'm struggling to keep up now. It seems Labour does think Cameron may have broken some rules after all, or at least are pushing for independent confirmation he hasn't:

I doubt Mann's view is the Party line - IIRC he has a history of being a bit freelance doesn't he?

I know he's a serial resignation demander.

He's also a serial promiser of revelations, and not obviously bright.

But I must say, I don't know why he isn't right this time. Surely not declaring an interest is a serious matter? Especially for the leader of the Opposition? MPs have lost the whip in the past for not declaring interests.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 3:26 pm

Going back a bit, but this bloke lost the whip, and got deselected too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brow ... ary_career" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 3:28 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
RobertSnozers wrote: I doubt Mann's view is the Party line - IIRC he has a history of being a bit freelance doesn't he?

I know he's a serial resignation demander.

He's also a serial promiser of revelations, and not obviously bright.

But I must say, I don't know why he isn't right this time. Surely not declaring an interest is a serious matter? Especially for the leader of the Opposition? MPs have lost the whip in the past for not declaring interests.

Stopped clocks and all that.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 3:34 pm

Per Scrapbook

a) Any relevant financial interest or material benefit which does not clearly fall into one of the other categories, including any shareholding which falls below the relevant threshold, or any other financial asset, including an asset held in trust, if the Member nevertheless considers that it meets the test of relevance; in other words, that it might reasonably be thought by others to influence his or her actions or words as a Member; and

b) Any other interest, if the Member considers that it might reasonably be thought by others to influence his or her actions or words as a Member in the same way as a financial interest. This might include an unpaid employment or directorship, or directorship of a company not currently trading, non-practising membership of a profession, or a fund established to defray legal costs arising out of the Member’s work, but from which no benefit has yet been received.

You can certainly make a case that Cameron's trust was relevant given that tax avoidance has been a hot topic- in particular re Lord Ashcroft.

But maybe not worth pushing it, because it's not a dead cert. As Willow says, might be a boost for him- "cleared by an independent".

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 3:37 pm

Next PMQs review.

Cameron hasn't resigned on the spot. Corbyn's inability to miss this open goal is a sign of how weak he is. Cameron's careful answers that majestically ignored Corbyn's questions highlighted what a marvelous prime minister he is. Technically, he did resort to a long personal attack on Corbyn after question number 6, but Corbyn should be astute enough to anticipate this character assassination. Bear pit politics that we (in the press gallery) love.

Maeght · Post by **Maeght** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 3:43 pm

citizenJA wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
PorFavor wrote: Just so's you don't feel ignored -

No, sorry - I'm not equal to the task. But somebody who is will probably be along in due course.
Sorry I can't either. I still can't download files or photos. I haven't found a fix yet.
Where's the link to the image, please?

Thank you.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices#gallery" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is the best I can do. It takes you to the whole page, not the cartoon. But the cartoon is down on the left hand side in a gallery of cartoons.

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 3:48 pm

Afternoon all.
Totally off topic,(though on topic,who believes the PM is telling the whole truth?),do we have any John Connolly fans here?
I foolishly bought two copies of his newly released Charlie Parker,so have a spare looking for a new home!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 3:49 pm

yahyah wrote:Afternoon. Sex ? What have I missed ?

It was great to see the press front pages in the papershop this morning.
Massed bad headlines for Cameron.

& phew, relief...my GP is ''delighted'' at my progress, seems satisfied now that I don't need a neurological opinion as the drug regime is cutting down the attacks and frequency of the attacks.
Don't have to go back for a month, which is good.

Hurrah!
Many blessings, yahyah!
Good health and healing for you!

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 3:53 pm

Maeght wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
ohsocynical wrote: Sorry I can't either. I still can't download files or photos. I haven't found a fix yet.
Where's the link to the image, please?
Thank you.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices#gallery" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This is the best I can do. It takes you to the whole page, not the cartoon. But the cartoon is down on the left hand side in a gallery of cartoons.

The image doesn't want to be saved as a downloadable - my expertise doesn't extend beyond - apologies though, it's funny
Thank you for linking it, sorry I can't help, someone else may be able to do so

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 3:57 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
Maeght wrote:Can anybody copy the cartoon in The Independent Voices - the one about Jersey please. Really like it and it is very appropriate . Just can't seem to do it.

Just so's you don't feel ignored -

No, sorry - I'm not equal to the task. But somebody who is will probably be along in due course.
Sorry I can't either. I still can't download files or photos. I haven't found a fix yet.

Is this the one you wanted. Not sure how big it'll come out. Perhaps Refitman can work his magic.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5L8Qu ... LImXl=s135" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 3:57 pm

Timing is everything
John Mann's reporting Cameron to the Parliamentary standards watchdog isn't pointless, we don't know what they'll do
I've got bad feeling about this here for Dave, that's all, not wishful thinking on my part
Tories still in government even if Dave takes his fall

NeilBB · Post by **NeilBB** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:00 pm

A little test. Hope it works.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:04 pm

Woohoo!
Thank you kindly, NeilBB!

ScarletGas · Post by **ScarletGas** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:05 pm

Interesting (to me at least) that very few of the upper echelons of the tory party have been jumping to our glorious leaders defence.

So far I have seen the useless Nick Boles try and sell us the good son act, Bernard Jenkin give qualified (at best) support. I did not see the screech that is Anna Soubry (deliberately) on David Dimbletories programme last night.

Where are the "big beasts" I was expecting to come out in Daves defence. Where are John Major, Michael Howard,William Hague and the likes of Michael Heseltine?

Where ,for that matter, are all his cabinet colleagues.Are those on the opposite side of the referendum campaign keeping quiet for tactical reasons. Are those with ambitions to succeed him as leader keeping quiet for the same reasons. Are they all keeping their heads below the parapet lest their own financial actions are investigated just that little bit more intensively?

Or (and I say this more in hope than expectation) is this a sign of his real current standing within the party with all the other pieces of negative press, U turns, Doctors strike, Tata cock up etc. and that he is being left to stew in his own juice. Does this mean that he is no longer being seen as an electoral asset and the party is already moving on?

I am sure some high level tories will be prevailed upon to show up on the Sunday political shows or be interviewed for the tame tory press but I guess the question is this the beginning of the end for Dave or not. I for one am keeping my fingers firmly crossed.

Maeght · Post by **Maeght** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:06 pm

NeilBB wrote:A little test. Hope it works.

Thank you very much NeilBB.

Can you tell me how you did it? I have a Mac. Don't know if it makes any difference.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:08 pm

My German isn't good enough for this

Maeght · Post by **Maeght** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:08 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
Just so's you don't feel ignored -

No, sorry - I'm not equal to the task. But somebody who is will probably be along in due course.
Sorry I can't either. I still can't download files or photos. I haven't found a fix yet.
Is this the one you wanted. Not sure how big it'll come out. Perhaps Refitman can work his magic.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5L8Qu ... LImXl=s135" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thank you very much Ohso. You did much better than me! I couldn't get anything. NeilBB seems to have managed it.

Maeght · Post by **Maeght** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:09 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:My German isn't good enough for this

It says: Hasn't he got a letter box any more?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:10 pm

George Galloway's stirring the pot, says Corbyn should call a vote of no confidence next week.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:12 pm

Maeght wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:My German isn't good enough for this
It says: Hasn't he got a letter box any more?

Thanks. That's what I thought. Can you also explain why it's funny?

Maeght · Post by **Maeght** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:16 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Maeght wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:My German isn't good enough for this
It says: Hasn't he got a letter box any more?
Thanks. That's what I thought. Can you also explain why it's funny?

I don't think it is very funny. Probably they mean he has taken the letter box away to prevent anybody sending him embarrassing letters.

Where did you get it?

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:22 pm

Maeght wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Maeght wrote: It says: Hasn't he got a letter box any more?
Thanks. That's what I thought. Can you also explain why it's funny?
I don't think it is very funny. Probably they mean he has taken the letter box away to prevent anybody sending him embarrassing letters.

Where did you get it?

My guess was the potential deluge of return to senders for the £9m referendum pamphlets.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:23 pm

Aaaah - it's off Twitter

There is a lot of interest in Dave overseas it seems.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:24 pm

Michael Rosen's review of QT.

http://michaelrosenblog.blogspot.co.uk/ ... -dont.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:26 pm

Aren't cultural and linguistic differences fascinating?
How can people not be curious and want finding out 'why is, what does...'?

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:26 pm

Maeght wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Maeght wrote: It says: Hasn't he got a letter box any more?
Thanks. That's what I thought. Can you also explain why it's funny?
I don't think it is very funny. Probably they mean he has taken the letter box away to prevent anybody sending him embarrassing letters.

Where did you get it?

I think it's a ref to the PO box in Panama Blairmore was registered at. Not v good though.

Im still of the opinion he will brazen it out, though.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:27 pm

Out canvassing this morning.

The 9m spend on Cameron's 'Project Fact' leaflet isn't going down well. Not at all. I think he'll be receiving an awful lot of them back.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:31 pm

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ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:33 pm

Maeght wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
ohsocynical wrote: Sorry I can't either. I still can't download files or photos. I haven't found a fix yet.
Is this the one you wanted. Not sure how big it'll come out. Perhaps Refitman can work his magic.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5L8Qu ... LImXl=s135" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thank you very much Ohso. You did much better than me! I couldn't get anything. NeilBB seems to have managed it.

I use Google, so have a facility that finds the photo on Google, either by clicking on the photo or typing in the search box, but they're really tiny...And sometimes the numbers and letters in the link are really long. That one wasn't so bad.

You should see some of the Cameron and the pig photos it throws up.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:34 pm

Isn't there a rule in politics about how damaging something is based on whether the story is still running after the weekend ?

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:34 pm

Alberto Nardelli ‏@AlbertoNardelli 10m10 minutes ago
Caffè Nero Sends Letter To Staff Ending Free Lunch Because Of National Living Wage http://www.buzzfeed.com/saraspary/caffe ... .wcBg56JZe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; … via @saramayspary @BuzzFeedUK

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:35 pm

Temulkar wrote:
Maeght wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Thanks. That's what I thought. Can you also explain why it's funny?
I don't think it is very funny. Probably they mean he has taken the letter box away to prevent anybody sending him embarrassing letters.

Where did you get it?
I think it's a ref to the PO box in Panama Blairmore was registered at. Not v good though.

Im still of the opinion he will brazen it out, though.

Good-afternoon, Temulkar, you're right in your estimation of Cameron - he's a brazen man.
I don't know if this is what pushes him out or not
Timing, circumstances coalesce and boom, it's over

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:36 pm

yahyah wrote:Isn't there a rule in politics about how damaging something is based on whether the story is still running after the weekend ?

Yes that sounds familiar, Alastair Campbell's possibly?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:36 pm

Another reason not to cut pensioner benefits:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/a ... _hp_ref=uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:36 pm

larryfelino@tradedirect-biz
To Mossack Fonseca

I shall arrive this evening to discuss urgent arrangements.

Kind regards
Larry

Edit: deliberately broke mock email link

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:46 pm

Temulkar wrote:
Maeght wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Thanks. That's what I thought. Can you also explain why it's funny?
I don't think it is very funny. Probably they mean he has taken the letter box away to prevent anybody sending him embarrassing letters.

Where did you get it?
I think it's a ref to the PO box in Panama Blairmore was registered at. Not v good though.

Im still of the opinion he will brazen it out, though.

I think it might be a pun,
German for incubator is 'brutkasten',
which I think is also an investment account.
which is similar to 'briefkasten'
(letterbox)

I hope I'm wrong.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:48 pm

Kay Burley ‏@KayBurley 28m28 minutes ago
For those of you reporting a 'loud bang' in Oxfordshire just after 4pm. We believe it was a sonic boom. Stand down

She's funny sometimes.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:49 pm

Faisal Islam ‏@faisalislam 2m2 minutes ago
Charles Walker also repeatedly downplayed PM's £30k investment in offshore fund telling @kayburley it would "only buy a Skoda Octavia"

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:51 pm

Faisal IslamVerified account
‏@faisalislam
Conservative MP Charles Walker tells @kayburley if MPs have to publish tax returns, he'll bring a private members bill to ban curtains

Josh May ‏@JoshMay_PH 11m11 minutes ago
Charles Walker on MPs publishing their tax return: “Why should I have my right to look into someone’s home impinged by someone’s curtain?”

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:58 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Morning all.

Quick dip in before I shoot off to the library. Just spent a happy few hours getting a chapter ready to send off...and it's gone.

re cameron. I don't think I've seen so much whataboutery come out before. lets's see...

Guardian owned by offshore company - no it isn't
ISAs - it's govt sponsored savings scheme
Miliband's inheritance tax
Owen Jones selling books on Amazon!
That Greek bloke

and many more. Pretty hilarious stuff really.

OK, off now.

My personal favourite is the perennial "stashing your money in hidden offshore accounts is no different to going into a shop, looking at the VATable items on display and not buying them. By not buying them you are avoiding tax!!!11! Do you buy everything you see for sale? If not you're a lefty hypocrite!!!!!"

Frequently wheeled out by one of the 's' named 'we're dead clever us' set, e.g. str***gem or the especially dim one named after kitchen furnishings. Shelfie really should change his/her name to the far more descriptive "two short planks". The Dunning-Kruger effect is particularly strong in that one.

Though the Republicans do have a long history of deliberately sounding dim in the hope it appeals to people who don't think much. Rather like soap-opera scriptwriters who try to make sure the most intelligent character in the show isn't so cunningly clever that the average viewer can't work out what they're up to.

Being careful not to appear to be too bright was reckoned to be Reagan's secret electoral weapon.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 4:59 pm

Jimmy CarrVerified account
‏@jimmycarr
I'm going to keep it classy. It would be ‘morally wrong’ and ‘hypocrytical’ to comment on another individual’s tax affairs.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 5:02 pm

Mirror Politics ‏@MirrorPolitics 1m1 minute ago
Anti-fox hunting activists BUGGED in 'sinister, James Bond-style plot'
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TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 5:03 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
This is where he's very clearly done something wrong, although Owen Smith was very good on BBC News about the basic hypocrisy of criticising the immoral, but legal world of tax avoidance when he himself was clearly part of that world. Only selling his shares when he became PM, rather than when he became an MP, and keeping it quiet doesn't look good for him, even if the morally repugnant tax dodging, as he himself put it, is not technically against our tax laws. Random Tories saying he's paid all tax owed on dividends etc are idiots, really, as how could they possibly know that for certain?
Hi Willow

Indeed. And we need to remind people that as a public servant he doesn't just have to follow the letter of the law, he is obliged to conform to the "Nolan" Principles of Public Life.

I and others here who work in the public sector are equally obliged to do so and understand this. All official meetings I attend start with a declaration of conflicts of interest. I have to declare any financial interests to my employer. And so on.

Nolan was brought in by Major (I think) in response to cash for questions. People seem to be forgetting it still applies.

Absolutely. I once worked in local government, my wife is a civil servant. There were and are strict rules, statutory and contractual, about what public sector employees can or can not do and can or can not be seen to be doing. If councillors behaved like the MPs who thoroughly exploited their expenses scheme the councillor would be suspended by the local authority's chief executive and quite possibly facing criminal charges. Public sector employees would find the disciplinary process coming down on them like a ton of bricks.

Yet MPs never seem to want to extend the financial and outside employment strictures of the local government Acts or civil service code to themselves....

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 5:10 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Telegraph Business ‏@telebusiness 5m5 minutes ago
UK manufacturing slumps as trade deficit with EU hits fresh record ahead of Brexit vote http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/201 ... um=twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
How much longer can the Tories carry on pretending the economy is OK?

How much longer will they be allowed to get away with doing so?

Thatcher managed 11 years by saying the economy was totally crap, but it was all the fault of Callaghan/Foot/Kinnock/Europe/Unions and an ever stiffer dose of Hayek and Friedman was absolutely the cure. Which only the Tories could deliver because Unions/Europe/Foot/Kinnock.

While at the same time insisting that thanks to her and the deregulating union-busting Tories the economy had recovered and was booming. Despite wages stagnating, unemployment stagnating and the infrastructure falling to bits around us.

Still, at least she never openly campaigned to have the ill and disabled redefined as an enemy within and worthless feckless layabout scroungers who need a good strong dose of destitution to buck their ideas up. That required the next generation of Tories, a generation she created and bequeathed to us.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 5:11 pm

Excellent detailed analysis of what was and wasn't said.

David Cameron's ITV interview: what he said and what he left out

http://gu.com/p/4t7fh" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maeght · Post by **Maeght** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 5:11 pm

StephenDolan wrote:
Maeght wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Thanks. That's what I thought. Can you also explain why it's funny?
I don't think it is very funny. Probably they mean he has taken the letter box away to prevent anybody sending him embarrassing letters.

Where did you get it?
My guess was the potential deluge of return to senders for the £9m referendum pamphlets.

I'm sure you are right. Just didn't think of that. Not on twitter although I do follow certain people.

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 5:16 pm

tinybgoat wrote:I'm confused,
David Cameron has admitted to having bought/sold some shares before being PM & before his father's death. He still hasn't addressed any funds, presumably inherited by his mother, Mary.

http://news.carbon-future.co.uk/archives/12289

Is Blairmore Holdings a bit like Gringotts, in that you just have to have a key to a vault, and once in possession of a key can just take from the vault at will, as long as the withdrawal is under legal limits.
Like Gringotts nobody else needs to know how much is in the vault, or who has keys to the vault?

That's pretty much how the Swiss used to operate until the USA and EU leaned on them very heavily. If you had the required account number, password and, if applicable, key to your safe deposit box that was all that was required, no more questions asked and no bank employee would ever dream of finding out what items you had in that box. Privacy was all, and absolute privacy was what the banks sold.

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Fri 08 Apr, 2016 5:25 pm

Mark Steel wrote:Presumably, if the wife of one of these businessmen came home to find them having an orgy with the entire cast of Emmerdale in a room mocked up to look like Anne Frank’s attic, they’d say, “Alright, don’t make a fuss. I’ve not done anything illegal.”

So he was at that party too!