Re: Friday 6th May 2016
Posted: Fri 06 May, 2016 10:50 am
Which is the remaining region in Wales that hasn't declared results yet? Itching to know where the last 4 seats go.
I think the Ukip bloke / AM from Cardiff might give him a race for that tbh.AnatolyKasparov wrote:The silver lining there is that I can think of few who could do a better job of discrediting the UKIP cause (and more quickly)
There is evidence it may have hurt Labour in a few places with substantial Jewish populations (a couple of seats they lost in Bury, for instance)RobertSnozers wrote: On the other hand, I suspect that the antisemitism media storm made absolutely not one iota of difference to the results today
Farage didn't want him especially in Wales did he?ohsocynical wrote:Deepest commiserationsPorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
2m ago 09:25
Neil Hamilton returns to politics as Ukip member in Wales (Politics Live, Guardian)
Not until someone tapes up the Bitterite's gobs. If they can't see the writing on the wall this morning re England, they are never going to. I wasn't keen on it, but now think their selection in 2020 needs to be looked at by themselves and their constituency parties. Deep soul searching is called for if they are that unhappy. The silly thing is they can do their job from the right especially if that's the way their constituents swing, but this constant carping because much of the country has turned to the left, really needs to be nipped in the bud now.Willow904 wrote:Morning all.
Big thanks in lieu of lots of little thanks for all the great comments last night and this morning which got me caught up this morning over breakfast.
I predicted the Tories would become the official opposition in Scotland in January and could have looked very clever but unfortunately, on following the polls, changed my mind and predicted Labour would hold on with a modest second. My reputation for being crap at predictions remains intact
Still a long wait for the London mayor - 4pm? - and even longer for Bristol which won't be until tomorrow, I believe ( we don't like to rush things here in the West Country ).
Not gone too badly, though, so far. Have Labour's fortunes finally bottomed out?
Yes, why?Amy Gray @amyelizgray 4s4 seconds ago
Why is it taking so long to declare the last four #WelshAssembly seats? BBC stuck on 56/60 declared for last hour+
Yes - there were rumours of clandestine deals with the owner of Grangemouth refinery, who has fracking licenses:rebeccariots2 wrote:I thought the SNP were rather prevaricating about fracking - leaving a teensy weensy door open - whereas Greens and Labour have said no to it?Eric_WLothian wrote:I'm not sure what the SNP stance on fracking is this week but with those figures, the SNP need the Greens on-side if they're against it.rebeccariots2 wrote: How do we think it will go if there's a vote on fracking in the future?
The other three parties refused to enter a coalition with the SNP and forced them into a minority government before.
I don't think Kezia Dugdale's promise to allow Labour MSPs to campaign for independence did the party any favours. The threat of another referendum is still bubbling away and the Tories are the only party that have come out as definitely against it. Better to have kept quiet until the matter was actually raised in Holyrood imo.
Ouch.George Eaton @georgeeaton 49s50 seconds ago
Sadiq currently ahead of Zac in his own backyard - south west constituency.
Looking forward to the Sturgeon Wood lovefest continuing.letsskiptotheleft wrote:When you consider everything it was a stonking performance from Welsh labour "ruthlessly efficient" is one way I heard it described this morning. As for PC, apart from the Rhonnda it was ordinary, spinning no doubt but they basically stood still, no new day for Wales quite yet then.
I wish someone would give them a similar toon strip in the same spot on style as the Male Online. It would be very funny and gratifying.StephenDolan wrote:Looking forward to the Sturgeon Wood lovefest continuing.letsskiptotheleft wrote:When you consider everything it was a stonking performance from Welsh labour "ruthlessly efficient" is one way I heard it described this morning. As for PC, apart from the Rhonnda it was ordinary, spinning no doubt but they basically stood still, no new day for Wales quite yet then.
Disastrous.Mirror Politics @MirrorPolitics 33s34 seconds ago
Labour has lost just eight councillors so far #LE2016 http://bit.ly/1WbNJHj" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Maybe the only good thing about that result - Adam Price is perhaps the only person currently even more gutted than the diehard BitteritesStephenDolan wrote:Looking forward to the Sturgeon Wood lovefest continuing.letsskiptotheleft wrote:When you consider everything it was a stonking performance from Welsh labour "ruthlessly efficient" is one way I heard it described this morning. As for PC, apart from the Rhonnda it was ordinary, spinning no doubt but they basically stood still, no new day for Wales quite yet then.
If I had to vote for a leader, without considering their political views, Ruth would be a front runner. Kezia comes over (to me, anyway) as much more reticent. I can't imagine her riding a buffalo, as Ruth did. It may have been a silly stunt, but it got her a lot of press coverage.RobertSnozers wrote: A friend of a friend has been saying something similar on Facebook. I gather the Tories campaigned as the Cuddly Ruth Davidson Pro-Union Party, focussing on Davidson's appeal (apparently a lot of the literature barely mentioned the name of the party) and pushing the fact that she represented the only pro-Union party. I can see the appeal in Labour softening it's approach to independence but in retrospect it was a big tactical, if not strategic error. The Nats are never going to vote Labour, but there is a large core of people who really don't want independence, and the Tories hoovered them up.
A learning year then. I like what I've seen of Dugdale and I hope she's given a chance to build. One thing Scottish Labour has to do is start building a positive case for the Union - all the things Britain and its nations have achieved and can achieve, and can be. Key to that is offering something that looks like hope.
leafleting the streets is harder than it sounds. Our Councilor said she foolishly thought Bracknell was flat, but hadn't realised how many houses there were on slopes.rebeccariots2 wrote:I'm going for some sympathy when I tell you that I hurt all over today but especially my legs which don't feel like mine - all from a few cold hours going up and down hilly pavements and tarmac in Fishguard last night.
My legs deserve another final seat finding its way to Labour.
Apparently my Grandfather had a run in with Neil Hamilton's pater over pit safety back in the day. My Tadcu was an overman and threatened to smack him one with a hammer if he didnt ''fuck off'' Mam was in school with Hamilton jnr - a few years older - but doesnt remember him, however a couple of her friends do - Poisionous little snotrag was how one of them described him at school.ohsocynical wrote:Farage didn't want him especially in Wales did he?ohsocynical wrote:Deepest commiserationsPorFavor wrote:Good morfternoon.
Oooh he's snide. (Rentoul that is).John Rentoul @JohnRentoul 2m2 minutes ago
Paul Mason, calling for mass reselections, but luckily we ignore ppl who can't spell Chilcot https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/elect ... .od1fr2kc6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
A couple of his suggestions for what is required to rebuild and develop ...Elections 2016: the Scottish earthquake continues
I’m watching the UK election results from Athens. One thing I am not missing is shrieky BBC journalists frame it all as a “disaster for Jeremy Corbyn”. In fact it’s much bigger and more complex story.
https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/elect ... .em7jfyulz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
2. Turn the PLP into a clear alliance: of the left and centre, excluding the right. Corbyn should use the decent showing in the English council elections to “bring to battle” any rightwingers who carry on sabotaging the party. At the same time he should offer increased responsibility and power to figures like Sadiq Khan, Andy Burnham, Jon Cruddas and Yvette Cooper (and Ed Miliband). To be clear this means the Corbyn wing of the party ceding some policy issues to the centre...
... 7. Labour needs a lot of new, young parliamentary candidates of all stripes; people who get that the world has changed and are prepared to reformulate all strands of Labourism in light of the new political reality. Part of Labour’s problem is that it is still tainted by the war-crime apologists of the Blair era, and when Chilcott comes out Corbyn should use this to finally settle accounts with what’s left of the Blair machine.
Rentoul talking about "we". Who is the "we" he speaks of? David Miliband fan club?rebeccariots2 wrote:Oooh he's snide. (Rentoul that is).John Rentoul @JohnRentoul 2m2 minutes ago
Paul Mason, calling for mass reselections, but luckily we ignore ppl who can't spell Chilcot https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/elect ... .od1fr2kc6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
A couple of his suggestions for what is required to rebuild and develop ...Elections 2016: the Scottish earthquake continues
I’m watching the UK election results from Athens. One thing I am not missing is shrieky BBC journalists frame it all as a “disaster for Jeremy Corbyn”. In fact it’s much bigger and more complex story.
https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/elect ... .em7jfyulz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;2. Turn the PLP into a clear alliance: of the left and centre, excluding the right. Corbyn should use the decent showing in the English council elections to “bring to battle” any rightwingers who carry on sabotaging the party. At the same time he should offer increased responsibility and power to figures like Sadiq Khan, Andy Burnham, Jon Cruddas and Yvette Cooper (and Ed Miliband). To be clear this means the Corbyn wing of the party ceding some policy issues to the centre...
... 7. Labour needs a lot of new, young parliamentary candidates of all stripes; people who get that the world has changed and are prepared to reformulate all strands of Labourism in light of the new political reality. Part of Labour’s problem is that it is still tainted by the war-crime apologists of the Blair era, and when Chilcott comes out Corbyn should use this to finally settle accounts with what’s left of the Blair machine.
Yes - the BBC have just reported it as pretty good for Corbyn's Labour - shock.Faisal Islam @faisalislam 27s28 seconds ago
FWIW - Labour English Council losses highly likely to be less than 50 seats, perhaps 30 seats /2500 Nowhere near GE winning, not awful tho.
Many thanks for the link. But am getting nervous checking the results. I have had a look at everything but it doesn't look as good as I hoped. Hope it is just anxiety/panic etc.PaulfromYorkshire wrote:And
Sunny Hundal @sunny_hundal 1m1 minute ago
Update: with nearly 50% of the vote counted (especially in Tory areas), Sadiq Khan still comfortably ahead
Beth Rigby @BethRigby 14m14 minutes ago
Merton & Wandsworth > Labour look like they could also take this Tory seat in teh London assembly elections https://londonelects.org.uk/im-voter/el ... contest=35" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
Gosh.emily m @maitlis now
Treat Peterborough con gain with extreme caution. Boundary changes mean it was notionally Tory before dissolution #bbcelection
rebeccariots2 wrote:Gosh.emily m @maitlis now
Treat Peterborough con gain with extreme caution. Boundary changes mean it was notionally Tory before dissolution #bbcelection
How did your knuckles fare? We have some viciously resistant letter boxes in Bracknell. Luckily no rings on my right hand otherwise I'd have lost them. No dogs bringing the house down, but one silent one whipped the leaflet out of my hand as I pushed it through.rebeccariots2 wrote:I'm going for some sympathy when I tell you that I hurt all over today but especially my legs which don't feel like mine - all from a few cold hours going up and down hilly pavements and tarmac in Fishguard last night.
My legs deserve another final seat finding its way to Labour.
I think Cameron has lost touch with reality.David Cameron said the results showed Labour had “completely lost touch” with the public.
“After six years in power we are actually strengthening our position in local government,” he told supporters in Peterborough.
He added: “The Labour party have completely lost touch with the hardworking people they are supposed to represent.
Oh, well. It's all done and dusted now (I hope). I do think that it's time for Ken Livingstone to get out less, though.1m ago 12:28
Ken Livingstone has been ranting about Hitler and antisemitism again. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Wasn't dealing with letter boxes yesterday, thankfully. We were door knocking to check whether people had gone out to vote or not - and, if they hadn't, encourage them to do so. Mr Riots gave one bloke a lift to the polling station and back and found himself hearing some very real life reasons why he was voting Labour. His wife had been working as a receptionist in a GP practice and wanted to train as a nurse. It was only with the help of the grant / bursary, no training fees, childcare and tax credit support that she's been able to do that and now works as an A & E nurse. He's aware that pretty much all of that goes with the Tories and others. He had started off telling us that he didn't have the energy or time to go and vote when we knocked. We said that was a shame and offered him a lift to help but he turned us down. About 10 minutes later he caught us up down the road and asked if we meant the offer. He'd had second thoughts about why it mattered and wanted to take us up on it. Result.ohsocynical wrote:How did your knuckles fare? We have some viciously resistant letter boxes in Bracknell. Luckily no rings on my right hand otherwise I'd have lost them. No dogs bringing the house down, but one silent one whipped the leaflet out of my hand as I pushed it through.rebeccariots2 wrote:I'm going for some sympathy when I tell you that I hurt all over today but especially my legs which don't feel like mine - all from a few cold hours going up and down hilly pavements and tarmac in Fishguard last night.
My legs deserve another final seat finding its way to Labour.
One of those times you wish Lizzie would take advantage of Royal Perogative and let the sword slip.gilsey wrote:Great timing, Crosby getting his knighthood today.
Ha.
Unfortunately, that just adds to the suspicions that he is not actually well......PorFavor wrote:Oh, well. It's all done and dusted now (I hope). I do think that it's time for Ken Livingstone to get out less, though.1m ago 12:28
Ken Livingstone has been ranting about Hitler and antisemitism again. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Roll up leaflet loosely and place it through the letter box. The leaflet lands open without creases. Thank you, Councillor AP, for your love of people, experience, dedication and helpful tips campaigning for Labour.ohsocynical wrote:How did your knuckles fare? We have some viciously resistant letter boxes in Bracknell. Luckily no rings on my right hand otherwise I'd have lost them. No dogs bringing the house down, but one silent one whipped the leaflet out of my hand as I pushed it through.rebeccariots2 wrote:I'm going for some sympathy when I tell you that I hurt all over today but especially my legs which don't feel like mine - all from a few cold hours going up and down hilly pavements and tarmac in Fishguard last night.
My legs deserve another final seat finding its way to Labour.
Do we have confirmation of the alleged ranting?PorFavor wrote:Oh, well. It's all done and dusted now (I hope). I do think that it's time for Ken Livingstone to get out less, though.1m ago 12:28
Ken Livingstone has been ranting about Hitler and antisemitism again. (Politics Live, Guardian)
Mason is still a bit too starry eyed about the (ever more Blairite) SNP, but there is some stuff to think about in there.rebeccariots2 wrote:Oooh he's snide. (Rentoul that is).John Rentoul @JohnRentoul 2m2 minutes ago
Paul Mason, calling for mass reselections, but luckily we ignore ppl who can't spell Chilcot https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/elect ... .od1fr2kc6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
A couple of his suggestions for what is required to rebuild and develop ...Elections 2016: the Scottish earthquake continues
I’m watching the UK election results from Athens. One thing I am not missing is shrieky BBC journalists frame it all as a “disaster for Jeremy Corbyn”. In fact it’s much bigger and more complex story.
https://medium.com/mosquito-ridge/elect ... .em7jfyulz" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;2. Turn the PLP into a clear alliance: of the left and centre, excluding the right. Corbyn should use the decent showing in the English council elections to “bring to battle” any rightwingers who carry on sabotaging the party. At the same time he should offer increased responsibility and power to figures like Sadiq Khan, Andy Burnham, Jon Cruddas and Yvette Cooper (and Ed Miliband). To be clear this means the Corbyn wing of the party ceding some policy issues to the centre...
... 7. Labour needs a lot of new, young parliamentary candidates of all stripes; people who get that the world has changed and are prepared to reformulate all strands of Labourism in light of the new political reality. Part of Labour’s problem is that it is still tainted by the war-crime apologists of the Blair era, and when Chilcott comes out Corbyn should use this to finally settle accounts with what’s left of the Blair machine.
Could just be a downed transmitterAnatolyKasparov wrote:Unfortunately, that just adds to the suspicions that he is not actually well......PorFavor wrote:Oh, well. It's all done and dusted now (I hope). I do think that it's time for Ken Livingstone to get out less, though.1m ago 12:28
Ken Livingstone has been ranting about Hitler and antisemitism again. (Politics Live, Guardian)
I haven't heard it - so I'm just going by the hearsay, written stuff. Bit sad that I'm prepared to take it as read, though, in this particular case.citizenJA wrote:Do we have confirmation of the alleged ranting?PorFavor wrote:Oh, well. It's all done and dusted now (I hope). I do think that it's time for Ken Livingstone to get out less, though.1m ago 12:28
Ken Livingstone has been ranting about Hitler and antisemitism again. (Politics Live, Guardian)
rebeccariots2 wrote:Wasn't dealing with letter boxes yesterday, thankfully. We were door knocking to check whether people had gone out to vote or not - and, if they hadn't, encourage them to do so. Mr Riots gave one bloke a lift to the polling station and back and found himself hearing some very real life reasons why he was voting Labour. His wife had been working as a receptionist in a GP practice and wanted to train as a nurse. It was only with the help of the grant / bursary, no training fees, childcare and tax credit support that she's been able to do that and now works as an A & E nurse. He's aware that pretty much all of that goes with the Tories and others. He had started off telling us that he didn't have the energy or time to go and vote when we knocked. We said that was a shame and offered him a lift to help but he turned us down. About 10 minutes later he caught us up down the road and asked if we meant the offer. He'd had second thoughts about why it mattered and wanted to take us up on it. Result.ohsocynical wrote:How did your knuckles fare? We have some viciously resistant letter boxes in Bracknell. Luckily no rings on my right hand otherwise I'd have lost them. No dogs bringing the house down, but one silent one whipped the leaflet out of my hand as I pushed it through.rebeccariots2 wrote:I'm going for some sympathy when I tell you that I hurt all over today but especially my legs which don't feel like mine - all from a few cold hours going up and down hilly pavements and tarmac in Fishguard last night.
My legs deserve another final seat finding its way to Labour.