Friday 24th June 2016

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 8:59 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Given that every single area in Scotland voted to remain, how long before the EU says that if Scotland wants to remain they're welcome to apply right now?

Exactly. They're not going to hang about.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:00 am

wietske burema ‏@wburema 35m35 minutes ago

REUTERS: Spain to seek co-sovereignty on Gibraltar after Britain's vote to leave the EU, acting foreign minister says in radio int

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:01 am

I've just informed Mr citizen of the news
he's calm

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:01 am

Boris is going to have to put on a good show after this morning's events.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:02 am

Gunboats to Gibraltar soon ?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:03 am

http://pwc.blogs.com/press_room/2016/06 ... tion.html?
impact for higher education

big direct and indirect employer in the NE

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:04 am

and Manchester and Liverpool

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:04 am

My husband is normally calm and polite. But he is suspending that for 24 hours.
He is so angry now, just called Boris 'that little worm'.

We are both feeling less than sympathetic towards our working class comrades, both having been born into that group, who have aligned themselves with Farage and the right.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:05 am

yahyah wrote:Boris is going to have to put on a good show after this morning's events.

He'd be better off renewing his US ties and leave with Trump back the hell where they came from

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:06 am

If there's likely to be a general election in the near future, maybe now is the time for Labour to think about its leadership.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:06 am

Sorry if I am being a bit 'broad brush' for some tastes.

Difficult to focus on anything smaller scale.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:07 am

Morning all.

Thanks for all the comments last night, I've just about caught up. Bristol solid for "remain" as expected so, with a Bristol postcode, at least I don't have to feel like a fish out of water. No doubt Somerset was big for "leave", I haven't had time to check yet. Hating having Rees-Mogg as my MP more than ever right now.

I have lots to digest and may have some more thoughts later on, but my first concern is Northern Ireland. It seems to me the only way to avert complete disaster would be to join the single market like Norway and continue with the free movement of people. I know that's not what a lot of people thought they were voting for, but technically the referendum was exclusively on membership of the EU, not on the single market, not on immigration. Politically and economically it's the most sensible option. Recent history suggests it won't happen, but I can hope. The idea of having a hard border between Northern and the Republic of Ireland is just unthinkable.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:08 am

PorFavor wrote:If there's likely to be a general election in the near future, maybe now is the time for Labour to think about its leadership.

We've decided we will resign our membership.
It is too much heartache, investing in voting then watching it trashed by the PLP.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:13 am

I need sleep. See you all later, hopefully.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:13 am

yahyah wrote:My husband is normally calm and polite. But he is suspending that for 24 hours.
He is so angry now, just called Boris 'that little worm'.

We are both feeling less than sympathetic towards our working class comrades, both having been born into that group, who have aligned themselves with Farage and the right.

We're members of the Labour party and we worked for Labour in the EU. Nearly 70% of the voters in Stoke voted to Leave the EU. I failed to persuade more people to vote Remain.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:14 am

Clegg and his Orange Bookers have a lot to answer for too.
They helped Tory austerity, cheered it on at budgets.
Austerity and recession led to problems in areas like the North and NE, and people see quitting the EU as an answer to their pay, rent and other problems.

It all goes back to 2010. How many of those same right wingers, who said we had to cobble a coalition quickly to stop the markets and currency going down, are now the cause of the market plummeting today. They knew what would happen on Brexit, but still cheer-led it.
They should be up in court for reckless endangerment of the economy, along with 52% of voters.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:14 am

PorFavor wrote:I need sleep. See you all later, hopefully.

Sleep well, PorFavor.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:14 am

RogerOThornhill wrote:Given that every single area in Scotland voted to remain, how long before the EU says that if Scotland wants to remain they're welcome to apply right now?

A few hours.
Gibraltar too?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:15 am

Brexit vote sets off race to seat European Medicines Agency
Sweden was first out of the gate; expect others to come out today.

LONDON — A race to house the European Medicines Agency will begin in earnest after Britain voted to leave the European Union today.

The result means the EMA will no longer be able to continue its operations from London, and medicines will need an additional, costly, regulatory process to launch their products in Britain as well as in EU member countries.

http://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-v ... -seat-ema/

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:15 am

Northern Ireland more complex I guess.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:15 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Northern Ireland more complex I guess.

Which may turn out to a massive understatement.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:16 am

citizenJA wrote:
yahyah wrote:My husband is normally calm and polite. But he is suspending that for 24 hours.
He is so angry now, just called Boris 'that little worm'.

We are both feeling less than sympathetic towards our working class comrades, both having been born into that group, who have aligned themselves with Farage and the right.
We're members of the Labour party and we worked for Labour in the EU. Nearly 70% of the voters in Stoke voted to Leave the EU. I failed to persuade more people to vote Remain.

Don't blame yourself JA. You were up against a form of cult.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:17 am

So likely losses to date:

120 billion
250 billion
Gibraltar
Scotland
Northern Ireland
European Medicine's Agency
European funding for scientific research

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:18 am

cracking decision Birmingham, NE, East Anglia.

Thanks a lot.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:19 am

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:Given that every single area in Scotland voted to remain, how long before the EU says that if Scotland wants to remain they're welcome to apply right now?
A few hours.
Gibraltar too?

Yes, that was my first thought when I heard the result given that they were overwhelmingly Remain.

nickyinnorfolk · Post by **nickyinnorfolk** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:19 am

Bottom line is that this is all Cameron's fault.

My other half just said the Tory party is a curse on this country. He never said a truer word.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:21 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:So likely losses to date:

120 billion
250 billion
Gibraltar
Scotland
Northern Ireland
European Medicine's Agency
European funding for scientific research

If it's ok with others I'll start a separate thread later for posting a list for that.
Then it'll be handing for keeping tally.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:24 am

Phew. Hope it stays dry.
I want to walk up the hills and look down at all those millions of immigrants, packed like sardines all round the countryside.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:26 am

"...the British people made a different decision to take a different path. As such I think the country requires fresh leadership to take it in this direction. I will do everything I can as prime minister, to steady the ship in the weeks ahead, but I do not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain that steers our country to the next destination. This is not a decision I have taken lightly but I do think it is in the national interests to have a period of stability and then the new leadership required. In my view we should aim to have new prime minister by the start of the Conservative party conference in October, delivering stability will be in important and I will continue in post with my cabinet for the coming months. The cabinet will meet on Monday."

Dave Cameron

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... 30381098e7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't care for his views

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:26 am

mobile data roaming charges (back)
free healthcare in EU (on holiday)
budget airlines to Europe (courtesy of European open skies agreements)

Maeght · Post by **Maeght** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:27 am

nickyinnorfolk wrote:Bottom line is that this is all Cameron's fault.

My other half just said the Tory party is a curse on this country. He never said a truer word.

Just the thought that David Cameron can cause all this mess and not even reap the whirlwind but calmly walk away to live with his money has sent my blood pressure soaring.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:27 am

And you may ask yourself
Am I right?...Am I wrong?
And you may say to yourself yourself
My God!...What have I done?

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yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:28 am

''How hard can it be not to create chaos ?''

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:29 am

My husband is literally shaking with tension and anger, not like him at all.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:30 am

Leanne Wood's acting like Wales didn't vote to leave

Wales, its economy and its communities will soon be at the full mercy of the Westminster elite and robust action must be taken to mitigate the impact of this.

Guardian live

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:33 am

I have two mental images inspired by Steve Bell. One Nigel Farage hoisting a ragged Condom Dave up a flag pole in Union Jack colours, the other Britannia Boris in full regalia with a spent condom underfoot.

Postscript: I should have been more specific... an empty ragged Condom Dave flapping freely in the breeze up said flag pole. Of course I could just grab a sketch pad...

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:35 am

http://www.whatinvestment.co.uk/financi ... nd-.thtml?
UK to enter first ever DIY recession

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:36 am

citizenJA wrote:I've just informed Mr citizen of the news
he's calm

Update.
Mr citizen is less calm

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:36 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:Leanne Wood's acting like Wales didn't vote to leave
Wales, its economy and its communities will soon be at the full mercy of the Westminster elite and robust action must be taken to mitigate the impact of this.
Guardian live

I've no sympathy for Wood and her wannabe Nats.
Nationalism is at the root of Brexit. Her form of nationalism is only a little more dressed up than Farage's.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:36 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.whatinvestment.co.uk/financi ... nd-.thtml?
UK to enter first ever DIY recession

Yeah but Boris will apologise live on TV if that happens so that's alright then...

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:38 am

Just had an email from my Green/anarchist pal.
She's beginning to understand just what the chaos she wanted before deciding to change to Remain may have actually entailed.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:40 am

"I would also reassure Brits in European countries and EU citizens living here that there will be no immediate changes in your circumstances."

take the weekend
leave the key in the drop box no later than 9 am Monday 27 June 2016

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:41 am

yahyah wrote:Clegg and his Orange Bookers have a lot to answer for too.
They helped Tory austerity, cheered it on at budgets.
Austerity and recession led to problems in areas like the North and NE, and people see quitting the EU as an answer to their pay, rent and other problems.

It all goes back to 2010. How many of those same right wingers, who said we had to cobble a coalition quickly to stop the markets and currency going down, are now the cause of the market plummeting today. They knew what would happen on Brexit, but still cheer-led it.
They should be up in court for reckless endangerment of the economy, along with 52% of voters.

And Fallon was on TV this morning calling the Labour leadership "spineless".
Don't recall him or Clegg or any of the others being particularly vocal in support of Remain

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:43 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/br ... 99996.html
petition for second referendum

> 71,000 signatures

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:44 am

I've just checked the BBC interactive map and Bath and North East Somerset, where I live, voted remain by 58/42 while Mendip, just to the south of us (where my mum lives) voted to remain marginally 51/49. So not only has Somerset not voted resoundingly for leave as I expected, but turns out to be split between north and south, but I also now understand why I'm so out of touch with so many voters. I appear to be living in a Bristol bubble, that stretches south and east and seems to be out of kilter with the world around us, merrily voting a Labour council and mayor when everywhere else is giving up on them and happily voting to remain in the EU as the mood towards Europe sours elsewhere.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:45 am

Maeght wrote:
nickyinnorfolk wrote:Bottom line is that this is all Cameron's fault.

My other half just said the Tory party is a curse on this country. He never said a truer word.
Just the thought that David Cameron can cause all this mess and not even reap the whirlwind but calmly walk away to live with his money has sent my blood pressure soaring.

Yes.
That blithe resignation speech he deigned to appear and give was far too comfortable for someone who's caused six years of intentional mayhem

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:45 am

Moodys and S&P watch list on the economy could cause the rates on the markets to climb. So long deficit clearance.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:46 am

(was set up in May)

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:46 am

So EU leaders to start discussing exit now,
But Invoking area 51, for Cameron's successor,
sometime before October,
allowing for a time of stability in between?

Someone needs more sleep/caffeine.
maybe me.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Fri 24 Jun, 2016 9:46 am

citizenJA wrote:
"...the British people made a different decision to take a different path. As such I think the country requires fresh leadership to take it in this direction. I will do everything I can as prime minister, to steady the ship in the weeks ahead, but I do not think it would be right for me to try to be the captain that steers our country to the next destination. This is not a decision I have taken lightly but I do think it is in the national interests to have a period of stability and then the new leadership required. In my view we should aim to have new prime minister by the start of the Conservative party conference in October, delivering stability will be in important and I will continue in post with my cabinet for the coming months. The cabinet will meet on Monday."

Dave Cameron

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... 30381098e7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I don't care for his views

Remember when he pledged no more travel metaphors with regard to the EU?