Tuesday 19 July 2016

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 2:43 pm

I just thought that I would say that there is nothing and no-one that approaches the contempt I have for John McTernan

'Labour Strategist'? - full of strategies on how to lose

Why is this man given the oxygen of publicity....? Oh yes because he is guaranteed to slag off the party he supposedly supports....try convincing me he doesn't gladly vote Tory

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 2:47 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:Hello everyone from a very sunny Cornwall

Limited internet access as I am sure all our rural dwellers will already be aware of.....it is an important eye opener for us city livers,....

Not going to talk about Corbyn as it has all been said....getting a bit wearing now.

Tories, of course, still being incompetent and getting away with it as well.......imagine if David Davis had been a Labour politician speaking such ignorant nonsense about trade?

Glad to see AAW here recently...had a little falling out a couple of weeks ago and would like to pass on any apologies

Interesting question about Irish history...a thorny and emotive subject. I always tend to go back to the simple 'Brief Histories' to help work out where to look into for more in-depth research. With Ireland you have to even go back to the Normans to get a true feeling of what has gone on there...and it ain't pretty for us Brits!

Final point, I did suggest to my wife we recorded the presence of the big Red Admiral in the small bathroom of our accommodation (whilst she was on the loo) for the British butterfly survey. She didn't seem keen

Happy to read you. Enjoy your time away, it sounds lovely!

howsillyofme1 · Post by **howsillyofme1** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 2:50 pm

citizenJA wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:Hello everyone from a very sunny Cornwall

Limited internet access as I am sure all our rural dwellers will already be aware of.....it is an important eye opener for us city livers,....

Not going to talk about Corbyn as it has all been said....getting a bit wearing now.

Tories, of course, still being incompetent and getting away with it as well.......imagine if David Davis had been a Labour politician speaking such ignorant nonsense about trade?

Glad to see AAW here recently...had a little falling out a couple of weeks ago and would like to pass on any apologies

Interesting question about Irish history...a thorny and emotive subject. I always tend to go back to the simple 'Brief Histories' to help work out where to look into for more in-depth research. With Ireland you have to even go back to the Normans to get a true feeling of what has gone on there...and it ain't pretty for us Brits!

Final point, I did suggest to my wife we recorded the presence of the big Red Admiral in the small bathroom of our accommodation (whilst she was on the loo) for the British butterfly survey. She didn't seem keen
Happy to read you. Enjoy your time away, it sounds lovely!

Cornwall is beautiful...not too busy this week thank god.....

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 2:53 pm

Did my chores at 3.AM.Then again I don't have much to do.I maintain the practice of avoiding the need for them,though the shirt I have worn since January seems to have become a literal part of me,the trousers gave up a couple of weeks ago and scarpered to a nearby British Heart Foundation bag probably in hope of a better home,though I don't hold much to their chances.

Is there any laws against cruelty to clothing?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 2:54 pm

frog222 wrote:
yahyah wrote:Have a great holiday How Silly.

Our wildlife visits have been nine bats in the house, including one in my husband's t shirt as he put it on, and a frog in my gardening clogs.

The frog nearly got squashed but thankfully feet have lots of nerves in them so I responded before it got squashed.

It's nearly 32 in the shade, am taking a chair up to sit in the shade under the apple tree, too warm for chores.
34° here in Normandy !

Richard Murphy's having a busy time with impassioned BTL debates ...

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Will read HopenotHate later

(my bold)

Only 28° here in Stoke!
Normandy sounds like fun.
I'd like to visit.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 2:59 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Middle-income families in UK resemble the poor of years past, says IFS

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 3:08 pm

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TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 3:34 pm

Willow904 wrote:
adam wrote:From the graun

Open TV viewing figures plunge by 75% in first year of Sky Sports coverage

The bbc highlights programme had better viewing figures - by about 400,000 - than the peak viewing on Sky.

Cricket sold their rights to Sky, just after the 2005 Ashes series when kids were bringing cricket gear into school and taking over the yard. Since then we can't even get students together for an organised school team, never mind them choosing to follow the sport. Golf has different uptake issues, obviously, but it's just another example of what a terrible pall Sky brings to the national mood over what should be really strong community-minded behaviour over televised sport.
Sky is going to kill formula 1. It needs a lot of money, which means sponsorship, which means an audience and Sky just can't attract the numbers. As many of the teams are based in the UK, there are a lot of technical jobs relying on it. If Sky can't even support elite sports properly, there's no hope for the Olympics legacy, is there, with an ever growing paywall for access to any kind of sports viewing.

As an aside, I'm quite proud of the fact that I have never parted with as much as a penny towards Murdoch's satellite city tv stations, (nor Bransons) I said years ago I wouldn't help fill his coffers, never bought the Sun either, although now and again at the weekend I have been passed a hand me down copy of The Times.

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TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 3:41 pm

Scorchio !

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 3:43 pm

It's pissing down with rain here,or could be the fact I am in the shower.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 3:47 pm

Maeght wrote:http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com

My Corbyn Dilemma from Chris Dillow

Thanks for the link. I've read some good information from the author.

"One of the most worrying things I’ve seen about Owen Smith is the claim that he has“very little self-doubt.” Labour does not need a leader
so overconfident that he thinks Labour can win an election on the basis of the leader’s force of personality alone. It must be a mass effort."

The author linked the BBC article quoted below.
Lee Waters, now Labour AM for Llanelli, was hired by Owen Smith to work at BBC Wales in the Cardiff newsroom. Waters said:

"He was full on! I think that's the best way to describe Owen. Very, very bright, lots of enthusiasm, very little self-doubt, but a very high standard of what he expected."

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 3:50 pm

HindleA wrote:It's pissing down with rain here,or could be the fact I am in the shower.

We received the MET weather warning a couple hours ago. Not a cloud in the sky yet, hot. Thunderstorm likely.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 3:52 pm

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Post by **adam** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 3:58 pm

TobyLatimer wrote: As an aside, I'm quite proud of the fact that I have never parted with as much as a penny towards Murdoch's satellite city tv stations, (nor Bransons) I said years ago I wouldn't help fill his coffers, never bought the Sun either, although now and again at the weekend I have been passed a hand me down copy of The Times.

And a quick heads' up to Colin Murray who quit talksport when NewsCorp bought them rather than work for Murdoch.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 4:05 pm

Something nasty happening in Turkey
Turkey coup: 15,200 education staff suspended

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36838347" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 4:31 pm

Yes,cja predicted here later.
I think a way out of this is the crucial intervention of "the pipe",which has both a symbolism to true socialism as opposed to the Blairite non pipeism and the proven success of Labour leaders in GE pre Blair,even if it was largely a way of giving yourself more time not to answer questions and control proceedings,its prescence was vital.

#ReturntopreBlairitepipesmokingvictory

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 4:37 pm

Not sexist women smoke pipes,well.they do around here,not sure what is in them mind.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:04 pm

Pish. Normandy? It's 34 degrees in our office at work. My brain is melting out of my lug holes. That is all.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:15 pm

HuffPostUK Politics ‏@HuffPostUKPol 10m10 minutes ago

Boris accused of 'outright lies' during super awkward press conference with John Kerry http://huff.to/2a86VpD" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:15 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:Pish. Normandy? It's 34 degrees in our office at work. My brain is melting out of my lug holes. That is all.

Baking hot here.
Dogs are seriously sulking because I haven't taken them out for their evening walk.Now 15 mins late.
Told them they would die in the car,do they care?Will they listen?
In a contest of wills,I shall win.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:18 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:Pish. Normandy? It's 34 degrees in our office at work. My brain is melting out of my lug holes. That is all.

I'm just about to resort to English air conditioning. Feet in bowl of cold water.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:19 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:(He also suggested that the British media was was very skewed to the left, so make of that what you will).

That he's an idiot. There's really not much else you can make of it, really.

Edit: if that seems rude, mea culpa but I refer you to my previous post.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:24 pm

Well.

Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 27s28 seconds ago

Angela Eagle has pulled out of the Labour party leadership race.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:24 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Melania Trump’s speech: she couldn’t make it up
Was Donald Trump’s wife’s address to the Republican convention a blatant steal from Michelle Obama (and Rick Astley)? Or was it all an elaborate act of sabotage by a rogue speechwriter?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/sho ... elle-obama" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Slightly disappointed that when I tapped that link it didn't do this

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:25 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Well.

Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 27s28 seconds ago

Angela Eagle has pulled out of the Labour party leadership race.

Golly. I never saw that coming....

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:27 pm

It's like a badly performed play with a weak to non-existent plot.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:27 pm

Countdown to Laura K accusing Labour of rampant misogyny in 3... 2... Oh wait. It's not Corbyn. Carry on.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:28 pm

90 to 63 MP's noms. Smith/Eagle,apparently.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:29 pm

Hold on. Did Corbyn get the rest or couldn't the pair of them muster a full set? That's not even 172 MPs ffs.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:29 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Well.

Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 27s28 seconds ago

Angela Eagle has pulled out of the Labour party leadership race.

I'm glad. She didn't want to do the Labour leader gig. She's left it to Smith and Corbyn

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:31 pm

Rebecca wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:Pish. Normandy? It's 34 degrees in our office at work. My brain is melting out of my lug holes. That is all.
Baking hot here.
Dogs are seriously sulking because I haven't taken them out for their evening walk.Now 15 mins late.
Told them they would die in the car,do they care?Will they listen?
In a contest of wills,I shall win.

So... How was the walk?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:31 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:Hold on. Did Corbyn get the rest or couldn't the pair of them muster a full set? That's not even 172 MPs ffs.

There's another day of nominations. The agreement was whoever was behind at 5pm today would drop out, I believe.

danesclose · Post by **danesclose** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:33 pm

Willow904 wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:Hold on. Did Corbyn get the rest or couldn't the pair of them muster a full set? That's not even 172 MPs ffs.
There's another day of nominations. The agreement was whoever was behind at 5pm today would drop out, I believe.

Wonder if anyone else will throw their hat into the ring.

On another topic, what about Deputy Leader? Anyone rumoured to be standing against Watson?

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:34 pm

Not exactly a stampede from the PLP to back either, though...

Hobiejoe · Post by **Hobiejoe** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:35 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Melania Trump’s speech: she couldn’t make it up
Was Donald Trump’s wife’s address to the Republican convention a blatant steal from Michelle Obama (and Rick Astley)? Or was it all an elaborate act of sabotage by a rogue speechwriter?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/sho ... elle-obama" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Slightly disappointed that when I tapped that link it didn't do this

Damn you. Long time since I got Rickrolled.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:36 pm

danesclose wrote:Wonder if anyone else will throw their hat into the ring.

On another topic, what about Deputy Leader? Anyone rumoured to be standing against Watson?

There's still time for Mr Shapps yet.

Rebecca · Post by **Rebecca** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:36 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
Rebecca wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:Pish. Normandy? It's 34 degrees in our office at work. My brain is melting out of my lug holes. That is all.
Baking hot here.
Dogs are seriously sulking because I haven't taken them out for their evening walk.Now 15 mins late.
Told them they would die in the car,do they care?Will they listen?
In a contest of wills,I shall win.
So... How was the walk?

Nah,it's seriously too hot for them.Especially the old boy.
Playing catch atm by the fan.Maybe later tonight when the sun isn't so fierce.
We were out before 6 again today,it really is a nice time of day.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 5:43 pm

Rebecca wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:
Rebecca wrote: Baking hot here.
Dogs are seriously sulking because I haven't taken them out for their evening walk.Now 15 mins late.
Told them they would die in the car,do they care?Will they listen?
In a contest of wills,I shall win.
So... How was the walk?
Nah,it's seriously too hot for them.Especially the old boy.
Playing catch atm by the fan.Maybe later tonight when the sun isn't so fierce.
We were out before 6 again today,it really is a nice time of day.

Very wise of you to wait. The heat is too much in conjunction with the sun.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 6:02 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:On the Guardian politics liveblog. Boris Johnson/John Kerry press conference

Q: Is there any chance of prioritising the UK over countries already in the queue for a trade deal?

Kerry says that would be impossible. Until the UK leaves the EU, it is still part of the EU.

Hmm. Guernsey's not part of the EU.
Couldn't we just get them to negotiate treaties on our behalf, for when the time comes.
(Possibly, I may have had too much sun)

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 6:04 pm

Am glad Eagle's pulled out. Will follow the hustings before deciding, and not send my vote too early.

What I'm looking for from Corbyn is some signal that he will look at how he can lead a team more effectively if he wants my vote again. He's on the back foot for votes in my household.
Still have a feeling Remain may have pipped it if more of his supporters had argued for it, and if he had been a little more enthusiastic.

Feel let down, and have worked for a boss who was poor at communication and undermined his staff, so have sympathy for those who have found it difficult if their reports are accurate.
In the end, in my job, my goodwill and desire to work hard was sapped to the point of depression.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 6:05 pm

howsillyofme1 wrote:Hello everyone from a very sunny Cornwall

Limited internet access as I am sure all our rural dwellers will already be aware of.....it is an important eye opener for us city livers,....

Which brings to mind:

http://www.cornishguardian.co.uk/cornwa ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Cornwall bids for £9m EU funds for more broadband - just weeks before "Brexit" referendum

At which point

Cornwall voted to leave with 182,665 votes for Brexit to 140,540 for Remain
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z4EsJSLYwM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And now both Cornwall and Wales - both of whom voted out - are trying to use Brexit to argue for independence. Scotland and NI fair enough, but the other two are taking the proverbial.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 6:12 pm

Don't take Leanne Wood too seriously TinyC.
Not even a majority of Plaid voters actually want independence.
Their previous strategy was for Wales to be like Iceland tried to be before disaster struck in 2008

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 6:19 pm

ohsocynical wrote:HuffPostUK Politics ‏@HuffPostUKPol 10m10 minutes ago

Boris accused of 'outright lies' during super awkward press conference with John Kerry http://huff.to/2a86VpD" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Boris - do you want to apologise to the various world leaders you've offended/selection of exaggerations/outright lies you've treated us to?

“I’m afraid there is such a rich thesaurus of things I’ve said that have been, one way or another, through what alchemy I do not know, somehow misconstrued, that it would really take me too long to enface in a full global itinerary of apology,” he said.

I guess we take that as a "no"

Maeght · Post by **Maeght** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 6:21 pm

yahyah wrote:Am glad Eagle's pulled out. Will follow the hustings before deciding, and not send my vote too early.

What I'm looking for from Corbyn is some signal that he will look at how he can lead a team more effectively if he wants my vote again. He's on the back foot for votes in my household.
Still have a feeling Remain may have pipped it if more of his supporters had argued for it, and if he had been a little more enthusiastic.

Feel let down, and have worked for a boss who was poor at communication and undermined his staff, so have sympathy for those who have found it difficult if their reports are accurate.
In the end, in my job, my goodwill and desire to work hard was sapped to the point of depression.

Amazing how many people have a similar experience at least once in their career.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 6:36 pm

v true

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 6:49 pm

Owen Smith Voting Record & mini profile

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PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 6:55 pm

Despite what I said the other day about Owen Smith's back-story having put me off him, I've been quite impressed by him over the leadership issue and, unless he seriously cocks things up to cause me to feel otherwise, I shan't have much of a problem in voting for him. I shall continue to be vigilant, however.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 7:06 pm

RobertSnozers wrote:
PorFavor wrote:Despite what I said the other day about Owen Smith's back-story having put me off him, I've been quite impressed by him over the leadership issue and, unless he seriously cocks things up to cause me to feel otherwise, I shan't have much of a problem in voting for him. I shall continue to be vigilant, however.
I'm genuinely unsure. His voting record on TheyWorkForYou looks pretty OK, but his voting for airstrikes in Syria and Iraq worries me. The main thing is an illogical and as yet unshakeable feeling that he is not to be trusted, and other than his role in the recent business I can't figure out why.

I share your feelings, actually. That's why I shall remain vigilant. He's certainly no Ed Miliband in the "would you buy a used car . . . " stakes but then I'm usually a fairly suspicious person except in very rare circumstances.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 7:08 pm

He voted against action in Syria, i thought?

He did support military strikes in Libya (though virtually all MPs did, even the likes of Diane Abbott were behind that one) and the anti-ISIS campaign in Iraq though.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 19 Jul, 2016 7:13 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:He voted against action in Syria, i thought?

He did support military strikes in Libya (though virtually all MPs did, even the likes of Diane Abbott were behind that one) and the anti-ISIS campaign in Iraq though.

Yes - he was against the Syria venture so far as I remember.