Tuesday 4th October 2016

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 10:16 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bre ... 44511.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Eighty years after the Battle of Cable Street the far-right isn't dead – it's gone mainstream

This is of course what's so terrifying. Even in the 80s it was dodgy to be openly racist; now the actions of Cameron, Farage and the rest have made it completely acceptable - and the Tories are now making it worse (abetted by some of Labour I'm sorry to say).

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 10:25 pm

On a Mac it's just option and 3 (aka alt and 3). No need to press fn key too.

Post by **refitman** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 10:26 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Hashgate continues.

My key with the tilda gives me this: ¬ instead of the tilda when I press shift+tilda
It's not a mac and Fn+alt+3 gives me:
(which is to say nothing happens).
can feel a seethe coming on (though have kept Paul and 55s hash signs for future use)

If tilda gives you ¬, try shift+ [the key to the left of 1]?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 10:33 pm

shift+[key to the left of 1] = ¬ [key to the left of 1 without shift = `
so I have a key marked with a tilda that gives me ¬
and a key marked with hash that gives me £
the key marked with and amphisand gives me " - but that's OK because the key marked with " gives me @
all of the above are using the relevant key + shift.
the other keys give me what they say they'll give me

Ooooh!

Post by **adam** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 10:34 pm

refitman wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:Hashgate continues.

My key with the tilda gives me this: ¬ instead of the tilda when I press shift+tilda
It's not a mac and Fn+alt+3 gives me:
(which is to say nothing happens).
can feel a seethe coming on (though have kept Paul and 55s hash signs for future use)
If tilda gives you ¬, try shift+ [the key to the left of 1]?

In a slightly old fashioned way I tend to use it as an abbreviation of 'number' before a digit and get comments from students about which number might be trending.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 10:38 pm

adam wrote:
refitman wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:Hashgate continues.

My key with the tilda gives me this: ¬ instead of the tilda when I press shift+tilda
It's not a mac and Fn+alt+3 gives me:
(which is to say nothing happens).
can feel a seethe coming on (though have kept Paul and 55s hash signs for future use)
If tilda gives you ¬, try shift+ [the key to the left of 1]?
In a slightly old fashioned way I tend to use it as an abbreviation of 'number' before a digit and get comments from students about which number might be trending.

I would also in general do this - but not being able to actually produce the hash removes that option.

I never imagined I would ever be so enraged by an inability to create a digit (or whatever it is).
We live and learn

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 10:40 pm

I like things to be relatively logical.
At the moment, not even my keyboard is.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 10:42 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:On a Mac it's just option and 3 (aka alt and 3). No need to press fn key too.

You are quite right

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 10:46 pm

Will just go straight to:

We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs flow.

Post by **refitman** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 10:51 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:I like things to be relatively logical.
At the moment, not even my keyboard is.

This might be a silly question, but have you checked that your computer is set to UK, not US?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 10:54 pm

STV News ‏@STVNews 13m13 minutes ago
Nigel Farage still Ukip leader as Diane James "will not be formalising my recent nomination" http://bit.ly/2dHUYZs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:01 pm

I get the impression that Theresa May seems to have forgotten that it was she who referred to her own side as the 'nasty party'.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:01 pm

RFM - you are a genius. your query led me to this: http://www.uk-yankee.com/articles/us-vs ... er-symbols" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

which reveals that I have a US keyboard set up as a UK keyboard. Looking at the switch arounds the only spare keys have got the opposite of / and a straight line. And low and behold if i use it with shift I get ~ and if I use it without I get #.

Hallelujah.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:02 pm

So, that'll be David Miliband back in the running for a leadership role.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:02 pm

Maybe they're trying to get the migration figures down by making decent people leave in disgust.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:03 pm

Jesus. Things have suddenly taken a turn for the worse.
If that were even possible.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:04 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:I get the impression that Theresa May seems to have forgotten that it was she who referred to her own side as the 'nasty party'.

That's going to be a bit embarrassing for News Corp.

Whaddaya mean your CEO is a yankie doodle aussie? Kick that foreign muck out...

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:05 pm

That would be quite some silver lining. We might even - er - get our country back.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:07 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 45271.html
The proposals were met with outrage from business groups and MPs alike, with one politician saying they heralded the return of “the nasty party”.

They've gone beyond nasty.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:08 pm

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:09 pm

If you saw the look of disgust/disdain when Marr wasn't looking after her jovial fakery I think she is a pretty nasty character herself.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:10 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Maybe they're trying to get the migration figures down by making decent people leave in disgust.

Well, I for one am giving it some very serious consideration.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:13 pm

"Top trends for next season:what to wear ..and why legs stay bare"

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:19 pm

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tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:20 pm

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:29 pm

Rudd:

“This government will not waver in its commitment to put the interests of 52 percent of* the British people first.

*my addition

Post by **adam** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:30 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:I get the impression that Theresa May seems to have forgotten that it was she who referred to her own side as the 'nasty party'.

That's going to be a bit embarrassing for News Corp.

Whaddaya mean your CEO is a yankie doodle aussie? Kick that foreign muck out...

Perhaps we could make the foreign workers wear some kind of identifying mark, a badge of some kind...

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:40 pm

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tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:55 pm

Theresa May to accuse politicians of sneering at Brexit voters
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... tre-ground" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“Just listen to the way a lot of politicians and commentators talk about the public. They find their ~~patriotism~~ xenophobic nationalism distasteful, their ~~concerns~~ unchallenged received wisdom about immigration parochial, their views about ~~crime~~ wanting to bring back the death penalty illiberal, their attachment to their ~~job security~~ prejudices inconvenient. They find the fact that more than 17 million people voted to leave the European Union simply bewildering.”

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 04 Oct, 2016 11:59 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 45006.html
Immigrants who ‘consume’ Britain’s wealth are not welcome, Liam Fox says

The International Trade Secretary said Brexit would not make the UK more ‘inward looking’

Post by **adam** » Wed 05 Oct, 2016 12:03 am

John Crace's latest sketch claims the tories seem to be competing to see who can seem the most listless and disengaged, but his piece is missing the very obvious, that this is just the banality of evil.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 05 Oct, 2016 12:07 am

Folks round 'ere aren't from round 'ere.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 05 Oct, 2016 1:42 am

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... tions-live" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Vice-presidential debate live: Mike Pence and Tim Kaine to face off

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/watch-vp-debate/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 05 Oct, 2016 1:45 am

Republican Party pronounce their man the winner.It hasn't started yet.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 05 Oct, 2016 2:00 am

Donald Trump will be live tweeting debate.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 05 Oct, 2016 3:24 am

_"Kaine looks like an evil crook.out of the Batman movies"

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 05 Oct, 2016 3:28 am

Advert break

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thatchersorphan · Post by **thatchersorphan** » Wed 05 Oct, 2016 3:41 am

'A completely hidden problem': Just 2 per cent of disabled people tell police about experiences of hate crime, report finds http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news ... ref=twtrec" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Wed 05 Oct, 2016 4:01 am

Anecdotal, with photos, letters going out to schools in several areas requesting information about childrens orogins, passports etc. Some kind of educational census? Four questions in all, much more detailed than usual ethnicity queries.

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Wed 05 Oct, 2016 4:27 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/bre ... 44511.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Eighty years after the Battle of Cable Street the far-right isn't dead – it's gone mainstream
This is of course what's so terrifying. Even in the 80s it was dodgy to be openly racist; now the actions of Cameron, Farage and the rest have made it completely acceptable - and the Tories are now making it worse (abetted by some of Labour I'm sorry to say).

A friend just mentioned their youngest is being called halfcaste at college, it is now in common usage, mainstream too, and impossible to protest against popular usage of any of the terms that only a brief time ago were seen as derogatory, if not outright offensive. Theres plenty of evidence in these parts that a common perception among the young is that it somehow curtails their freedom of speech if they are told that such eugenicist outmoded 19th century terms are offensive. Cameron and his media links have created a toxic legacy. Words do carry ideas, but then they knew that. I always doubted his remain stance for instance, though it appeased some on the right. If he had been sincere why did he foster the opposite, and allow his government to fan the flames? If he had been tasked to deliver Brexit, for instance, he could not have done so more efficiently. In 2012 we were celebrating the mixed people of our nation, the fastest growing group of all, but today popularity is swinging towards labelling them with a very ugly concept. Quite shocking that it is taking hold in educational settings, or is worse used outside of them?

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Wed 05 Oct, 2016 4:55 am

tinyclanger2 wrote:That would be quite some silver lining. We might even - er - get our country back.

The country I want back isn't the one the phrase commonly refers to, I think that has already got here. Bloody awful it is too.