Wednesday 25th January 2017

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 8:35 pm

Russian Law Easing Penalties On Domestic Violence Sails Through Parliament
“This law calls for the exoneration of tyrants in the home,” said the executive director of one women’s shelter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rus ... 76t4piizfr" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Its the whole world...

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 8:36 pm

Secret admirer of Julie Kavner until she became yellow and Marge Simpson.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 8:45 pm

Airbus boss Brexit warning: 'We are entering a dangerous phase'
Airbus employs 6,000 people at Broughton in Flintshire and thousands more in businesses involved in the supply chain for the site. Airbus has 600 EU workers in the UK and 1,800 Brits in Europe.

He added that impediments to the free movement of products between sites could impact long term future investment decisions.
Chief operating officer Tom Williams told MPs that Washington would be "delighted" if free movement was hit.
He added that the US would make decisions based on the benefits to US rival Boeing and that he was sceptical that the World Trade Organisation (WTO) was effective at resolving disputes.
The BBC reported that he said relying on WTO rules if an EU deal could not be reached was not a "sensible fallback position".

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/bus ... ign=buffer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 8:47 pm

AltUSNatParkService ‏@AltNatParkSer 19h19 hours ago
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This is the National Park Service's Cultural Resources Climate Change Strategy. Pls download before it is removed.
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/climatecha ... rategy.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 8:47 pm

Generally applied.

Weird how everybody seems to know my opinion on all things when I don't necessarilly know them myself.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 8:48 pm

Donald Trump's senior staff 'have private email accounts on RNC system'
President repeatedly said Hillary Clinton should be 'locked up' for using personal email account to handle classified information

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 46461.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 8:53 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -franchise" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Government reported to be planning to nationalise Southern rail franchise

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 8:55 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Airbus boss Brexit warning: 'We are entering a dangerous phase'
Airbus employs 6,000 people at Broughton in Flintshire and thousands more in businesses involved in the supply chain for the site. Airbus has 600 EU workers in the UK and 1,800 Brits in Europe.

He added that impediments to the free movement of products between sites could impact long term future investment decisions.
Chief operating officer Tom Williams told MPs that Washington would be "delighted" if free movement was hit.
He added that the US would make decisions based on the benefits to US rival Boeing and that he was sceptical that the World Trade Organisation (WTO) was effective at resolving disputes.
The BBC reported that he said relying on WTO rules if an EU deal could not be reached was not a "sensible fallback position".

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/business/bus ... ign=buffer" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well done, Flintshire. 56-44 for Leave.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 9:01 pm

Wood you believe it.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 9:13 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:Who said voting doesn't matter?

I have clearly stated that it probably won't make much difference but I would vote For A50 if it gave me more chance to prevent Brexit (and that is my view right or wrong)

Voting in parliament is often tactical and people vote for/against or abstain based on that.....

You want Labour to vote the way that will do them maximum damage as you are not really a supporter, so a good position for the party to take is to do the opposite that you suggest

I completely accept that I don't care about my former party any longer. I think it is a barrier to removing the Tories and is led by someone who, on his own, makes it immoral to cast a vote for them.

No, what I care about is the form of Brexit. It is appalling that Labour has abandoned all attempts to stop a Hard Brexit.

I understand why Corbyn, McDonnell and Milne favour it. It is the creative destruction that their ilk so often favour. McDonnell isn't stupid, and he is right that the worse things are the better the prospects for his brand of politics.

But it is depressing that so many of the PLP seem to be meekly keeping their heads down in the hope of appeasing the immigrant hating members of their constituencies. Immoral cowards, IMO.

Nice example of that from fringe Kipper Leftists mentioned here.

https://shirazsocialist.wordpress.com/2 ... g-friends/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Given this, much of the discussion was about what exit would mean in terms of the political aftermath in Britain and where it would leave the workers’ movement.

The platform was unanimous on this. They argued, incredibly in my view, that an exit vote would create a good situation for the left. It could well bring down the Tories and even bring a left wing Corbyn government to office.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 9:19 pm

ian bremmer ‏@ianbremmer 1h1 hour ago

Trump to block visas to anyone from
Iran
Iraq
Libya
Somalia
Sudan
Syria
Yemen

9/11 bombers from
Saudi Arabia 15
UAE 2
Egypt 1
Lebanon 1

Mustn't on any account upset the Saudis...that goes for our lot too...

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 9:23 pm

The weakening of the 'alt-right': how infighting and doxxing are taking a toll
As the far right movement has emerged from obscurity, it has also become a target, facing what Richard Spencer calls ‘a literal and figurative punch in the face’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ?CMP=fb_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 9:23 pm

Gotta love this "diplomacy" played out in public...

Vicente Fox Quesada ‏@VicenteFoxQue 24m24 minutes ago

Sean Spicer, I've said this to @realDonaldTrump and now I'll tell you: Mexico is not going to pay for that fucking wall. #FuckingWall

That's the Presidente de México de 2000 a 2006....

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 9:30 pm

From last November

Mexican designers show that Trump's proposed $25 billion wall would be impossible to build

http://uk.businessinsider.com/mexican-d ... eautiful-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 9:32 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/ ... terborough" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yorkshire building society to close 48 branches and ditch current accounts

http://www.ybs.co.uk/media-centre/branc ... anges.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 9:38 pm

The 100 Funniest British Tweets Of All Time

https://www.buzzfeed.com/robinedds/the- ... .tbbBByj1J" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Not all that funny but I did LOL at several

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 9:39 pm

Just opened a branch locally,or more correctly I have just noticed,so give or take a decade or two.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 9:51 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:Who said voting doesn't matter?

I have clearly stated that it probably won't make much difference but I would vote For A50 if it gave me more chance to prevent Brexit (and that is my view right or wrong)

Voting in parliament is often tactical and people vote for/against or abstain based on that.....

You want Labour to vote the way that will do them maximum damage as you are not really a supporter, so a good position for the party to take is to do the opposite that you suggest

I completely accept that I don't care about my former party any longer. I think it is a barrier to removing the Tories and is led by someone who, on his own, makes it immoral to cast a vote for them.

No, what I care about is the form of Brexit. It is appalling that Labour has abandoned all attempts to stop a Hard Brexit.

I understand why Corbyn, McDonnell and Milne favour it. It is the creative destruction that their ilk so often favour. McDonnell isn't stupid, and he is right that the worse things are the better the prospects for his brand of politics.

But it is depressing that so many of the PLP seem to be meekly keeping their heads down in the hope of appeasing the immigrant hating members of their constituencies. Immoral cowards, IMO.

After all that has been said here today, why can you not please modify your language to say "I think it is appalling...." "I find it depressing...."?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 9:53 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 9:55 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
howsillyofme1 wrote:Who said voting doesn't matter?

I have clearly stated that it probably won't make much difference but I would vote For A50 if it gave me more chance to prevent Brexit (and that is my view right or wrong)

Voting in parliament is often tactical and people vote for/against or abstain based on that.....

You want Labour to vote the way that will do them maximum damage as you are not really a supporter, so a good position for the party to take is to do the opposite that you suggest

I completely accept that I don't care about my former party any longer. I think it is a barrier to removing the Tories and is led by someone who, on his own, makes it immoral to cast a vote for them.

No, what I care about is the form of Brexit. It is appalling that Labour has abandoned all attempts to stop a Hard Brexit.

I understand why Corbyn, McDonnell and Milne favour it. It is the creative destruction that their ilk so often favour. McDonnell isn't stupid, and he is right that the worse things are the better the prospects for his brand of politics.

But it is depressing that so many of the PLP seem to be meekly keeping their heads down in the hope of appeasing the immigrant hating members of their constituencies. Immoral cowards, IMO.
After all that has been said here today, why can you not please modify your language to say "I think it is appalling...." "I find it depressing...."?

I haven't read back through the page, I've been busy.

But yes, hands up, wholly unacceptable and deeply offensive not to use the formulation you suggest.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 9:57 pm

Well that was fun.
(Just got in and read today's thread.)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:02 pm

I think one of tonights football results was rather pleasing.
Leeds reference clarification.Apologies if any Notts Forest fans.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:03 pm

Brexit Labour has the answer for Airbus.

Heart Wales News ‏@heartwalesnews 13 Dec 2016
Labour says Airbus in #Flintshire should be handed assurances, similar to those given to Nissan, following Brexit. #HeartNews

The bill can be sent to John McDonnell's Investment Programme.

Are we really embarking on Hard Brexit with no sense of what these subsidies could add up to?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:06 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 44971.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Donald Trump stopping US government scientists from speaking out publicly is 'chilling'
The American Association for the Advancement of Science warns against 'censorship and intimidation'

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:07 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 45196.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Impact of immigration on native wages ‘infinitesimally small’ says author of study cited by leading Brexiteers
Exclusive: Sir Stephen Nickell speaks out on how his work has been misrepresented by leading Brexiteers who want to slash immigration

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:08 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/educa ... 45741.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Brexit exodus: EU academics 'already pulling out' of UK universities, MPs warned
Universities failing to attract international academics as a result of Brexit, MPs warned, with many EU workers reportedly looking elsewhere for long-term employment

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:09 pm

I don't have any evidence for what will happen in the future (and it strikes me that would be difficult to provide) but I increasingly believe that if you personally believe that Brexit will **** the country then triggering A50 is immoral.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:09 pm

BREAKING: Trump administration mandating EPA scientific studies, data undergo review by political staff before public release.

From Associated Press.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:12 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:BREAKING: Trump administration mandating EPA scientific studies, data undergo review by political staff before public release.

From Associated Press.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Not really much more info

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:14 pm

But if you think it sounds bad, that means you're a snotty elitist. Like that bloke from Airbus with his moans about Brexit.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:15 pm

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/25/polit ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

After EPA communications lockdown, environmental agencies 'terrified' of Trump

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:20 pm

Big protest in New York, the chant is
"no ban, no wall, New Yorkers for all."

Can't link sorry as it's a video on face book and not sure how to link, reporting agency is AJ
This is best I can do - you may need to scroll

https://www.facebook.com/ajplusenglish/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:21 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... epublicans" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Republicans push ahead with plans to hinder insurance coverage for abortions
A proposed bill would impose a far-reaching ban on private insurance coverage for abortions under Obamacare, and could see tens of thousands lose out

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:23 pm

...but it's all OK coz Mrs May is going to be his best buddy

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:25 pm

These Reporters Were Jailed After Covering a Trump-Related Riot
At least six reporters are facing felony rioting charges arising from their coverage of violent demonstrations in Washington, D.C., last Friday.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... -riot.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:32 pm

DEUTSCHE BANK: The pound is 'increasingly irrelevant' since the Brexit vote

http://uk.businessinsider.com/deutsche- ... ncy-2017-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:33 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:...but it's all OK coz Mrs May is going to be his best buddy

Yeah. While pulling out of a visit to the Dail.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:34 pm

Because some of you were very naughty children today,tonights coverage of the tennis on this forum is cancelled or maybe because there was only one viewer pretending the whole World was witnessing the supreme coverage of putting numbers up with occasional words and a Private Eye crossword awaiting(some of the terms used today will be useful as a guide,given its proclivity to being on the rude side)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:36 pm

(sulking emoticon)

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:37 pm

HindleA wrote:Because some of you were very naughty children today,tonights coverage of the tennis on this forum is cancelled or maybe because there was only one viewer pretending the whole World was witnessing the supreme coverage of putting numbers up with occasional words and a Private Eye crossword awaiting(some of the terms used today will be useful as a guide,given its proclivity to being on the rude side)

I don't like tennis anyway - so there! *sticks tongue out (<------- for avoidance of doubt, that's a joke)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:38 pm

Donald Trump set to ‘eliminate arts funding programs’, cutting off NPR and PBS
He is notoriously not fond of broadcast media
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-enter ... 36741.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:40 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:I don't have any evidence for what will happen in the future (and it strikes me that would be difficult to provide) but I increasingly believe that if you personally believe that Brexit will **** the country then triggering A50 is immoral.

IMO brexit in itself will not **** the country, although the divisions over brexit could, or perhaps brexit is a symptom rather than the disease?

Poor government will though, in or out of the EU, we've been on that path for a long time.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:41 pm

Ungrateful pups.It is on various radio/TV channels.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:42 pm

(still sulking)

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:43 pm

Nick Clegg ‏@nick_clegg 8h8 hours ago

So, PM rushes to be photographed with Trump and Erdogan but won’t find time to speak to Irish Dail. Has No.10 completely lost the plot?

I find myself re-tweeting Clegg
..... dystopia has arrived (yes I may vote LibDems - not sure yet - but never if Clegg were still leader)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:44 pm

I like most sports to varying degrees.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:46 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Nick Clegg ‏@nick_clegg 8h8 hours ago

So, PM rushes to be photographed with Trump and Erdogan but won’t find time to speak to Irish Dail. Has No.10 completely lost the plot?

I find myself re-tweeting Clegg
..... dystopia has arrived (yes I may vote LibDems - not sure yet - but never if Clegg were still leader)

Don't feel ashamed. I nicked his point before.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:47 pm

HindleA wrote:I like most sports to varying degrees.

So does Mr AAW much to my annoyance as he watches various obscure sporting activities, such as something called "football" (?)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:48 pm

Britain should revert to remaining in the EU if the Government fails to negotiate a deal with the bloc within its planned two-year timeframe, the Scottish National Party has said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 46036.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Wed 25 Jan, 2017 10:50 pm

NY demo still ongoing, upwards of 3,000 there. Not bad, as it was only called tonight.