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I was washing up and it was noisy in the kitchen (dishwasher broken) so need to find it on Iplayer to make sure, but I swear that's how it came across.
She's here at 8mins50. I quote verbatim:
"The leadership has a lot of sympathy with people in heavily remain constituencies who find themselves in difficulty. It's not a question of voting with the Torres. This is a question of opening the process, we will seek to amend and if we're not able to get any of our amendments through, clearly we'll have to review our position"
So her Parliamentary colleagues are downgraded to mere 'people' now too....
Thanks PK, I was getting worried that I'd miss heard her it seems so daft.
Why issue a three-line whip if its not settled yet how the vote will go? If they don't get the amendments though will he withdraw the whip? All seems mixed up to me.
Or am I just totally miss understanding.
I was washing up and it was noisy in the kitchen (dishwasher broken) so need to find it on Iplayer to make sure, but I swear that's how it came across.
She's here at 8mins50. I quote verbatim:
"The leadership has a lot of sympathy with people in heavily remain constituencies who find themselves in difficulty. It's not a question of voting with the Tories. This is a question of opening the process, we will seek to amend and if we're not able to get any of our amendments through, clearly we'll have to review our position"
So her Parliamentary colleagues are downgraded to mere 'people' now too....
This is a vote changing the citizenship rights and status of every single UK citizen (and others' too).
She thinks this is about Labour people upset they're voting with Tories?
I've screamed in my own quiet way
Squatters open oligarch's empty London property as homeless shelter
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Squatters open oligarch's empty London property as homeless shelter
Russian Andrey Goncharenko bought grade II-listed Eaton Square building for £15m and has sought planning permission for a swimming pool, laundry and leisure suite
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Tam Dalyell said MPs should “have the balls” to vote honestly on Brexit in a candid interview less than eight months before he died.
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Welcome to the age of collective narcissism
A certain mentality has been on display in Western democracies of late – and we don't really understand it http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 46986.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I suspect this might be linked to Gilsey's comment from yesterday about their being a fundamental shift in society.
Collective narcissists are prejudiced selectively. They reject or attack groups that somehow threaten their group’s grandiose image. Collective narcissists also embrace their own bigoted attitudes. They spin and believe in conspiracy theories about the groups they reject, however fantastic they might be.
All this suggests that arguments such as “Foreign workers contribute to the national economy” or “Refugees can find jobs and prosper in host countries” may not only fail to convince national collective narcissists, but actually threaten and enrage them. Success for another group or empowerment for a minority threatens the majority’s privileged position. Collective narcissists want to protect the privileged position of their group by undermining other groups’ qualities and motivations.
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pk1 wrote:The comment at 11.06 speaks for me. When I recall how Steve worked so hard at disproving the Mid-Staffs stuff (speaking of which, where is St Julie since she got her gong - job done I guess) to see him so entrenched in nonsense & conspiracy theories is sad.
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Worth reading from Clive Lewis on his reasons for voting for, ( or possibly against) article 50 trigger enablement bill https://t.co/GNPJjNoFti
IF THE GOVT DOES NOT ACCEPT THESE AMENDMENTS, I WILL VOTE AGAINST TRIGGERING ARTICLE 50 AT THE THIRD AND FINAL VOTE.
Bottom line is I'll always do what I think is right for all of the people in our constituency. Not just bits of it - ALL of it. Too many people want to stick two fingers up at the decision made in part by people who'd been forgotten for 40 years.
Whilst middle England revelled in Cool Britannia and an asset bubble boom - these poor souls were being quietly forgotten. Many of them were my friends and family who also voted Leave. I understand why they did it. I don't agree with them but I get it
East Ayrshire - the last Scottish contest before this May's elections saw an SNP hold in a division that split 2Nat/2Lab in both 2012 and 2007 (though the SNP were slightly ahead in first preferences last time, Labour had been five years earlier) There was a small SNP increase which still left them short of the magic 50% to avoid transfers, but their lead massively increased as Labour dropped by over 16 per cent for a 9 per cent swing overall. Tories continued their recent surge north of the border with an increase of over 12 points to almost exactly 20% - there does seem to have been something of a realignment of Scottish "unionist" voters, at least for the time being. The only other candidate was from the fringe right wing Libertarian party (who showed up in a couple of Glasgow by-elections a few years ago) but they could manage less than 2%.
February is a bit busier, starting with three contests next week.
tinybgoat wrote:Worth reading from Clive Lewis on his reasons for voting for, ( or possibly against) article 50 trigger enablement bill https://t.co/GNPJjNoFti
IF THE GOVT DOES NOT ACCEPT THESE AMENDMENTS, I WILL VOTE AGAINST TRIGGERING ARTICLE 50 AT THE THIRD AND FINAL VOTE.
Bottom line is I'll always do what I think is right for all of the people in our constituency. Not just bits of it - ALL of it. Too many people want to stick two fingers up at the decision made in part by people who'd been forgotten for 40 years.
Whilst middle England revelled in Cool Britannia and an asset bubble boom - these poor souls were being quietly forgotten. Many of them were my friends and family who also voted Leave. I understand why they did it. I don't agree with them but I get it
I haven't been enjoying any kind of boom, graduated during the recession in the 90s and no jobs and have been on the back foot ever since. The 2008 credit crunch affected me directly as well. And now Brexit is going to put prices up in the short term and interest rates in the long term and any hope of actually doing any more than "just getting by", to borrow a phrase, is rapidly disappearing. Staying in the single market is a selfish desire, I know, but unlike a lot of the pensioner Tories who voted for Brexit, jobs and economic stability are extremely important for me. I deeply resent the implication that remain voters are complacent well off people trying to force EU membership on honest working class Joe's against their best interests, that Brexit will make ordinary people better off and "elites" like me are spitefully trying to stop it.
"Fall seven times, get up eight" - Japanese proverb
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 49121.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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tinybgoat wrote:Worth reading from Clive Lewis on his reasons for voting for, ( or possibly against) article 50 trigger enablement bill https://t.co/GNPJjNoFti
IF THE GOVT DOES NOT ACCEPT THESE AMENDMENTS, I WILL VOTE AGAINST TRIGGERING ARTICLE 50 AT THE THIRD AND FINAL VOTE.
Bottom line is I'll always do what I think is right for all of the people in our constituency. Not just bits of it - ALL of it. Too many people want to stick two fingers up at the decision made in part by people who'd been forgotten for 40 years.
Whilst middle England revelled in Cool Britannia and an asset bubble boom - these poor souls were being quietly forgotten. Many of them were my friends and family who also voted Leave. I understand why they did it. I don't agree with them but I get it
I haven't been enjoying any kind of boom, graduated during the recession in the 90s and no jobs and have been on the back foot ever since. The 2008 credit crunch affected me directly as well. And now Brexit is going to put prices up in the short term and interest rates in the long term and any hope of actually doing any more than "just getting by", to borrow a phrase, is rapidly disappearing. Staying in the single market is a selfish desire, I know, but unlike a lot of the pensioner Tories who voted for Brexit, jobs and economic stability are extremely important for me. I deeply resent the implication that remain voters are complacent well off people trying to force EU membership on honest working class Joe's against their best interests, that Brexit will make ordinary people better off and "elites" like me are spitefully trying to stop it.
Hear hear
It's getting late and I've been studying all day. I'll come back to Lewis' statement here because it's not making any sense to me at the moment.
EU's chief Brexit negotiator says Theresa May's promised trade deal by 2019 is 'impossible'
Guy Verhofstadt also suggests the British people voted to leave the EU because of a Little Englander mentality http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 50136.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Labour leadership contender Diane Abbott defied her critics today as she declared that sending her son to private school was "the making of him".
The Hackney North and Stoke Newington MP said she had no regrets about her decision to pay the £10,000-a-year fees for son James to attend the prestigious City of London School.
pk1 wrote:The comment at 11.06 speaks for me. When I recall how Steve worked so hard at disproving the Mid-Staffs stuff (speaking of which, where is St Julie since she got her gong - job done I guess) to see him so entrenched in nonsense & conspiracy theories is sad.
I successfully buttonholed Charlotte Leslie at Bristol Parkway Station to plead Steve's point.
I'm a bit worried now he might not have been entirely reliable.
Believe me that stuff on Mid Staffs was spot on.
Brian Jarman was (is?) a charlatan of the highest order. I looked into the methodology is some depth and it was flawed, and acknowledged as so by, for example, Canada. As well as the official report here.
