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The United Kingdom’s exit from and new partnership with the European Union

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _Print.pdf
"Because after all the division and discord, the country is coming together.
The referendum was divisive at times. And those divisions have taken time to heal."

- T May
She used the word 'discord'.
oh god
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citizenJA wrote:
The United Kingdom’s exit from and new partnership with the European Union

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... _Print.pdf
"Because after all the division and discord, the country is coming together.
The referendum was divisive at times. And those divisions have taken time to heal."

- T May
She used the word 'discord'.
oh god

"Where there is discord may we bring harmony . . ."
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@PorFavor
Exactly
my heart just sank
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"Because after all the division and discord, the country is coming together.
The referendum was divisive at times. And those divisions have taken time to heal."

- T May

heal !

The wounds are infected...rot has set in.
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Lost Soul wrote:"Because after all the division and discord, the country is coming together.
The referendum was divisive at times. And those divisions have taken time to heal."

- T May

heal !

The wounds are infected...rot has set in.
She's using past tense. As though she thinks her proclamation makes it so. Mr citizen tells me this is a characteristic feature of Tories. Pronouncements. It's intentionally crazy-making, gas-lighting everyone who's watching the proceedings with horror at what's taking place.
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Brexit white paper spells out need for new immigration laws

"Introducing the paper, Davis said the UK’s “best days are still to come”"

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How thick do these politicians think we are?

All this talk about "best possible access to the EU".

We already have the "best possible access", it's called membership. By leaving we are guaranteeing that we no longer have the "best possible access". Not the obvious basis for "best days to come".
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@Willow904
Same thoughts from me
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If you reverse a claim and it makes no sense, there is a strong likelihood that the original assertion is meaningless too.

“The government will prioritise securing the freest and most frictionless trade possible in goods and services,” reads the report’s section dealing with a desired new free trade agreement and customs arrangement. It is hard to imagine any government seeking such agreements admitting it wanted to de-prioritise trade and make it as difficult and cumbersome as possible.

- The white paper on Brexit: a wish list disguised as a strategy

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Oops............

Police move sick driver's car then blow it up by mistake
Officers parked vehicle outside Workington station when driver taken ill, then others called bomb squad after they thought it suspicious

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European parliament leaders call on EU to reject Trump's likely ambassador pick

Exclusive: Heads of parliament’s main political parties issue unprecedented call opposing Ted Malloch, who likened his goal to ‘bringing down the Soviet Union’
Ted Malloch: guilty of ‘outrageous malevolence’ towards ‘the values that define this European Union’, according to a letter from MEPs. (Guardian)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... parliament
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Night night.

Tomorrow may be another day . . .
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Tip of the iceberg.
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Night
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Anyone listen to The Archers ? If so, you'll find this funny :lol: :lol:

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Thanks to the Beard Liberation Front and the Keeper of the Special Relationship, all will be well #thearchers

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Night PF see you tomorrow :)
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HindleA wrote:Tip of the iceberg.
Yeah cos it's not rocket science.
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2-1
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Cameron Ratcliffe ‏@poubelle1227 17m17 minutes ago

I'm no scientist but am wondering if it's physically possible to cross a "frictionlesss border"? Wouldn't you fall over? #BrexitWhitePaper
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PorFavor wrote:Night night.

Tomorrow may be another day . . .
Goodnight, PorFavor
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HindleA wrote:2-1
While PF is sleeping like lambs
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Cameron Ratcliffe ‏@poubelle1227 17m17 minutes ago

I'm no scientist but am wondering if it's physically possible to cross a "frictionlesss border"? Wouldn't you fall over? #BrexitWhitePaper
Woody Allen and Diane Keaton in Sleeper - impersonating the surgeons tasked with recreating the Leader with only the nose of the Leader intact

Like T May Tory government doing 'Brexit'
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ITV news hassling Diane Abbott. I'm sure there's something big that happened today?
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Willow904 wrote:How thick do these politicians think we are?

All this talk about "best possible access to the EU".

We already have the "best possible access", it's called membership. By leaving we are guaranteeing that we no longer have the "best possible access". Not the obvious basis for "best days to come".
Indeed.

And how do you make an amendment meaningful? "Full tariff free access"? The government could say, with justification, that you can't bind the other side in a negotiation. See also Tsipras, Alex v the Troika. They weren't bound by his referendum.
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Apparently, the file information revealed that the White Paper was finished at 4.41am.

It was started about closing time, by the look of it.
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[Jane] Golding [lawyer based in Germany] noted that a continued right to permanent residence would plainly be critical for all the estimated 900,000 UK citizens living in other EU countries who wanted to stay there, but that beyond that, priorities often differed.

“For some, the right to residence will be worthless without the right to work, receive equal treatment as nationals of the country they are in, be self-employed, own and run a company, even commute across an EU border,” she said. “For others, particularly people who have retired, the continued right to receive reciprocal cross-border healthcare, and of course an index-linked state pension from the UK, will obviously be the biggest things weighing on their minds.”

- 'Alternative white paper' by Britons in EU says rights must be protected

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -protected" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I can't figure this out. Are people just up a tree then? Because some idiot former PM screwed up? Your citizenship is altered, you've no right to your home, business or work. Insane.
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Sponsored academies lose more pupils after takeovers

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Matthew Scott ‏@Barristerblog Feb 1
Getting the White Paper after you've voted on the Bill is like getting the menu after you've eaten the meal.
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AngryAsWell wrote:Sponsored academies lose more pupils after takeovers

http://schoolsweek.co.uk/sponsored-acad ... takeovers/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Harris being one of the major offenders but it's good news for the CEO!

Harris Federation boss’s salary reaches £420,000 after latest pay rise

http://schoolsweek.co.uk/harris-federat ... -pay-rise/
The country’s best-paid academy boss has been handed another pay rise – boosting his salary to at least £420,000.

It marks another salary increase for Sir Dan Moynihan, chief executive of the Harris Federation, who was paid at least £395,000 in 2015.

New annual accounts published by Harris, which runs 41 schools, show another seven staff members are also more than prime minister Theresa May’s £143,462 salary.

The pay rise will prompt concern from academy critics, and also comes while teacher pay rises are capped at just 1 per cent.
I'm sure those who whine about public sector pay will be right on this soon...they will, won't they?
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Is it only be in pedant mode that looks at the title of the White paper and winces for the lack of appropriate commas?

The United Kingdom’s exit from, and new partnership with, the European Union

Better?
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RogerOThornhill wrote:Is it only be in pedant mode that looks at the title of the White paper and winces for the lack of appropriate commas?

The United Kingdom’s exit from, and new partnership with, the European Union

Better?
You may need this link Roger ;-)

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What on earth is the mentality of people who think this is the right thing to do?

House votes to scrap Obama rule on background checks for gun ownership

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 60421.html
The Republican-controlled House voted Thursday to scrap an Obama administration rule requiring background checks for gun ownership.

In an apparent effort to improve gun ownership under President Trump, lawmakers moved to peel back the background checks for Social Security recipients mentally incapable of managing their own affairs, the Associated Press.
Why? Just why would you want to do that?
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Keir Starmer now favourite as next Labour leader 4/1, ahead of Clive Lewis 8/1 (Rebecca Long-Bailey 55/1) http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri ... our-leader" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

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AngryAsWell wrote:John RentoulVerified account
‏@JohnRentoul

Keir Starmer now favourite as next Labour leader 4/1, ahead of Clive Lewis 8/1 (Rebecca Long-Bailey 55/1) http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/bri ... our-leader" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

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That will go one way or the other next week. A great deal rests on his shoulders.

At very least, I think we can assume that the English in the amendments will be better than that in the White Paper!
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RogerOThornhill wrote:What on earth is the mentality of people who think this is the right thing to do?

House votes to scrap Obama rule on background checks for gun ownership

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 60421.html
The Republican-controlled House voted Thursday to scrap an Obama administration rule requiring background checks for gun ownership.

In an apparent effort to improve gun ownership under President Trump, lawmakers moved to peel back the background checks for Social Security recipients mentally incapable of managing their own affairs, the Associated Press.
Why? Just why would you want to do that?
Makes for an interesting juxtaposition with this, doesn't it?

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Prossy ‏@Pkakooza 36s37 seconds ago
I felt betrayed by @jeremycorbyn stance on #Brexit & enabling May.
& his latest gaffe saying being #LGBT is a "choice" is just another kick

Anyone know what the last bit means ?
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#BrexitWhitePaper Author revealed .....

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:lol: :lol:
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According to the Sun (!)
Mr Corbyn told an audience: “We’re with you, we’re in solidarity with you. Your triumphs are our triumphs.”

He went on: “Our defence of you is a defence of all of humanity and the right of people to practise the life they want to practise, rather than be criminalised, brutalised and murdered, simply because they chose to be gay, they chose to be lesbian, they were LGBT in any form.”
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AngryAsWell wrote:jesuiseu
‏@48notwrong

#BrexitWhitePaper Author revealed .....

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:lol: :lol:
It's fair to say the *hite Paper is getting a fair bit of entirely justified stick on Twitter :twisted:
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Exclusive: Trump to focus counter-extremism program solely on Islam - sources

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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:According to the Sun (!)
Mr Corbyn told an audience: “We’re with you, we’re in solidarity with you. Your triumphs are our triumphs.”

He went on: “Our defence of you is a defence of all of humanity and the right of people to practise the life they want to practise, rather than be criminalised, brutalised and murdered, simply because they chose to be gay, they chose to be lesbian, they were LGBT in any form.”
Thanks.
Bad use of words there.
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If we aren't going to change any laws until after we've Brexited, does that mean the Freedom of Movement Directive will still be in force once (if?) we've Brexited?
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AngryAsWell wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:According to the Sun (!)
Mr Corbyn told an audience: “We’re with you, we’re in solidarity with you. Your triumphs are our triumphs.”

He went on: “Our defence of you is a defence of all of humanity and the right of people to practise the life they want to practise, rather than be criminalised, brutalised and murdered, simply because they chose to be gay, they chose to be lesbian, they were LGBT in any form.”
Thanks.
Bad use of words there.
Yes that was my take. It's clear what he meant, but a bit of a bungle!
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PaulfromYorkshire wrote:If we aren't going to change any laws until after we've Brexited, does that mean the Freedom of Movement Directive will still be in force once (if?) we've Brexited?
The whole things getting a bit bonkers now, what with the monkey writing the white paper and all.
(FACT! I saw him writing it on twitter!)
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Oh do calm down!

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David Davis: "No-one's going to do a worse rush-job than my Brexit White Paper."

David Hockney: "Hold my beer."

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