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This is why, when Conservatives and their supporters hear that 20 years ago Jeremy Corbyn met someone from an organisation they disagree with, they get very angry with him. They’re furious that instead of speaking in the same room as them and saying “hello”, he should have taken them to meet the Queen and Prince Charles and spend all day with the cabinet and sold them billions of pounds worth of weapons. It’s no wonder they don’t trust him.

citizenJA wrote:I'm uncertain what Nick Cohen is about. Does anyone know?

AnatolyKasparov wrote:And why are those turnouts so often tiny?

Of course, because of legislation passed by a CONSERVATIVE government.

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adam wrote:Tea - teriyaki salmon (ginger, garlic, soy sauce x3, maple syrupx2, rice winex1, bit of oil, mixed up and spooned over salmon while it grills, easy as anything), noodles with sesame seeds and toasted sesame oil, pak choi with oyster sauce (open bottle, tip out sauce).

The package of measures has also attracted support from the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), the Tories’ partners in government, which hailed it “as an excellent foundation to build on”.

The decision to consider the plan, put forward in Brussels, was strongly criticised by the Irish government, which told The Independent the proposals would break Ms May’s pledge of no “physical infrastructure and associated checks” after Brexit.
Peter Hain , the former Northern Ireland Secretary, went further, warning the proposal to pre-register travellers “would be risking immediate civil unrest”.
“If I was Northern Ireland Secretary and this report came on to my desk, its next stop would be the bin,” Mr Hain said.

frog222 wrote:

AnatolyKasparov wrote:And why are those turnouts so often tiny?

Of course, because of legislation passed by a CONSERVATIVE government.

You lmean the Tories made it illegal for union members to vote ?

I'd like to know

IMMIGRATION: THE WRONG BATTLE
Jeremy Corbyn is being criticized for claiming that immigration cuts wages. I suspect his critics are right, if not quite for the reasons some of them might think

Willow904 wrote:

IMMIGRATION: THE WRONG BATTLE
Jeremy Corbyn is being criticized for claiming that immigration cuts wages. I suspect his critics are right, if not quite for the reasons some of them might think

http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com ... attle.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This blog sums up my thoughts on Corbyn's recent speech. His admirers point out he is always taken out of context, that the subject is nuanced etc but never really quite explain why then he keeps coming back to these topics voluntarily. As the blog points out, poor pay and conditions are mostly related to (right wing) domestic policy, so why give hard Brexiters ammunition by repeatedly and voluntarily tying low pay to freedom of movement and the single market?

French Brexit advert banned from Tube stations
The campaign - which also appealed for "hot entrepreneurs" - has been banned by TfL but is now set to appear in national press.
https://news.sky.com/story/french-brexi ... s-11285558" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/v ... 47bec76d41" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Vince Cable Says UK Is Locked In 'Civil War' Over Brexit
'The fool's errand has resulted in hate crime on our streets.'

tinyclanger2 wrote:

French Brexit advert banned from Tube stations
The campaign - which also appealed for "hot entrepreneurs" - has been banned by TfL but is now set to appear in national press.
https://news.sky.com/story/french-brexi ... s-11285558" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Willow904 wrote:

IMMIGRATION: THE WRONG BATTLE
Jeremy Corbyn is being criticized for claiming that immigration cuts wages. I suspect his critics are right, if not quite for the reasons some of them might think

http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com ... attle.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This blog sums up my thoughts on Corbyn's recent speech. His admirers point out he is always taken out of context, that the subject is nuanced etc but never really quite explain why then he keeps coming back to these topics voluntarily. As the blog points out, poor pay and conditions are mostly related to (right wing) domestic policy, so why give hard Brexiters ammunition by repeatedly and voluntarily tying low pay to freedom of movement and the single market?

refitman wrote:

Willow904 wrote:

IMMIGRATION: THE WRONG BATTLE
Jeremy Corbyn is being criticized for claiming that immigration cuts wages. I suspect his critics are right, if not quite for the reasons some of them might think

http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com ... attle.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This blog sums up my thoughts on Corbyn's recent speech. His admirers point out he is always taken out of context, that the subject is nuanced etc but never really quite explain why then he keeps coming back to these topics voluntarily. As the blog points out, poor pay and conditions are mostly related to (right wing) domestic policy, so why give hard Brexiters ammunition by repeatedly and voluntarily tying low pay to freedom of movement and the single market?

It does miss the part where Corbyn recognises the EU are already working on this:

Russian spy: Salisbury diners told to wash possessions

Willow904 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43362673

Russian spy: Salisbury diners told to wash possessions

Corbyn maybe should have followed McDonnell's lead on a RT boycott.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:When is the last time JC appeared on there?

AnatolyKasparov wrote:When is the last time JC appeared on there?

refitman wrote:

Willow904 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43362673

Russian spy: Salisbury diners told to wash possessions

Corbyn maybe should have followed McDonnell's lead on a RT boycott.

Galloway seems to have lost his shit over that.

refitman wrote:

Willow904 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43362673

Russian spy: Salisbury diners told to wash possessions

Corbyn maybe should have followed McDonnell's lead on a RT boycott.

Galloway seems to have lost his shit over that.

George Galloway
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@georgegalloway

Instead of boycotting @RT_com Mr @johnmcdonnellMP why not boycott the pro-war Observer which yesterday hit rock bottom smearing you and your friends as “foul racists”, your candidate for GS as just “a mistress”? PS the man you delighted this morning is dripping in Iraqi blood!
10:53 AM - Mar 11, 2018
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George Galloway
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@georgegalloway

I tell you I’m spitting mad about John McDonnell and @RT_com As you’ll hear at 1pm on @talkRADIO ( should I boycott Mr Murdoch’s media John?) on the Sunday Roast! #Russia #RT #Corbyn #Lansman #Momentum #Spies #War #Murder #Mayhem
10:58 AM - Mar 11, 2018
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Willow904 wrote:

IMMIGRATION: THE WRONG BATTLE
Jeremy Corbyn is being criticized for claiming that immigration cuts wages. I suspect his critics are right, if not quite for the reasons some of them might think

http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com ... attle.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This blog sums up my thoughts on Corbyn's recent speech. His admirers point out he is always taken out of context, that the subject is nuanced etc but never really quite explain why then he keeps coming back to these topics voluntarily. As the blog points out, poor pay and conditions are mostly related to (right wing) domestic policy, so why give hard Brexiters ammunition by repeatedly and voluntarily tying low pay to freedom of movement and the single market?

tinybgoat wrote:

Willow904 wrote:

IMMIGRATION: THE WRONG BATTLE
Jeremy Corbyn is being criticized for claiming that immigration cuts wages. I suspect his critics are right, if not quite for the reasons some of them might think

http://stumblingandmumbling.typepad.com ... attle.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This blog sums up my thoughts on Corbyn's recent speech. His admirers point out he is always taken out of context, that the subject is nuanced etc but never really quite explain why then he keeps coming back to these topics voluntarily. As the blog points out, poor pay and conditions are mostly related to (right wing) domestic policy, so why give hard Brexiters ammunition by repeatedly and voluntarily tying low pay to freedom of movement and the single market?

Maybe It's more to do with what people believe rather than what is true. The idea that migrants undercut native workers & depress wages is quite widely established/believed/believable and although it's risky enforcing anti migration views, it's probably not easy to dissuade people otherwise.
If a significant proportion of pro-leave votes were motivated by a worry that migration needs better control (rather than just a xenophobic,knee jerk reaction), but the same voters are still open to there being a need for migrant workers in key areas to fulfil shortages, then maybe Corbyn's approach could help swing votes to Labour & against hard Brexit (not sure of what he's suggesting suspect practical effect of any policy might be to improve min. pay & conditions for all workers in a sector, regardless of their origin)

tinybgoat wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 50321.html
"Philip Hammond insists Tories will not pay back more than £800,000 in donations from Russian oligarchs"

“There are people in this country who are British citizens who are of Russian origin. I don’t think we should taint them, or should tar them with Putin’s brush,” he said.

A series of Labour MPs, including deputy speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle, Harriet Harman and Chris Bryant are known to be hoping to replace Bercow, who pledged to serve as speaker for 10 years and has completed almost nine. However, none are yet campaigning for Bercow to go immediately.

Willow904 wrote: .…
That's rather what was said when Labour failed to oppose austerity cuts, though, isn't it? I don't think indulging a notion on which Labour couldn't out-Tory the Tories did therm much good then and the article I linked is warning similarly now. If people want immigration controls, it's hard to see how Labour can trump the Tories on that.