FlyTheNest

ephemerid wrote:Evening Peeps.

Having left the house spitting with apoplectic rage and with steam coming out of my ears after the 11-minute Party Political Broadcast on the BBC 6 o'clock news (more of which later) I went to hear my PPC speak.

He was very good; delivered a good passionate but very locally-based talk; outlined Labour policy very clearly; and described Ed as a statesman citing his work on climate change and his stance on Syria.
There were about 25 people there (which is actually more than was expected) and we had a lot of questions which Matthew answered very well. He knows the local area very well, and I thought he did good.

Back to the Beeb - I am really angry and I intend to complain to the BBC. Not only did they lead with this bilge and keep it going for far too long, they went back to Landale in Downing St. halfway through then referred to it again in the headlines at the end.
Less than a minute on Amin. Absolutely outrageous.

LadyC - I read it as intended.

AngryAsWell wrote:

Thank you, @Hobiejoe. That was the exactly spirit in which my silly sense of humour led me to write the piece

To me it came across as someone in a room, talking in a loud voice, surrounded by friends taking the p$ss out of a person, knowing their target could hear them but would be unlikely to challenge them. In other words, bullying.
Hugo had reached out a hand with a link to a funny article, the disagreements were starting to be smoothed over. Your mocking post did nothing to help that healing. There is a place for humour. In the middle of a disagreement is not it - esp when one party has reached out to end it.
Others disagree with me on this, I wrote to a moderator and got no reply, so I am obviously in the wrong place. Leave your mocking, bullying post be, but I won't stay around to see more of it.

Been nice knowing you all and I will miss being here for the election but I cannot stay in a place where people are mocked in this way - for the crime of posting on a public forum.

Helen Pidd ‏@helenpidd · 8h8 hours ago
Re Danczuk slagging off Ed M: I've been on the doorstep in Dewsbury this morning and a few voters, unprompted, started ranting about him.

AngryAsWell wrote:

Thank you, @Hobiejoe. That was the exactly spirit in which my silly sense of humour led me to write the piece

To me it came across as someone in a room, talking in a loud voice, surrounded by friends taking the p$ss out of a person, knowing their target could hear them but would be unlikely to challenge them. In other words, bullying.
Hugo had reached out a hand with a link to a funny article, the disagreements were starting to be smoothed over. Your mocking post did nothing to help that healing. There is a place for humour. In the middle of a disagreement is not it - esp when one party has reached out to end it.
Others disagree with me on this, I wrote to a moderator and got no reply, so I am obviously in the wrong place. Leave your mocking, bullying post be, but I won't stay around to see more of it.

Been nice knowing you all and I will miss being here for the election but I cannot stay in a place where people are mocked in this way - for the crime of posting on a public forum.

Hobiejoe wrote:Just a thought, but perhaps this Cameron to step down stuff is an attempt to give the party some sort of bounce similar to that that Major got when he replaced Thatcher, but without the chaos of a defenestration.

ErnstRemarx wrote:

Hobiejoe wrote:Just a thought, but perhaps this Cameron to step down stuff is an attempt to give the party some sort of bounce similar to that that Major got when he replaced Thatcher, but without the chaos of a defenestration.

I'm amused at the idea that Cameron discussing when he's going to step down is meant to give the Tories a leg up any time soon. He's more popular (though fuck knows why) than his loathsome party, but they seem keen to hit the eject button. Very odd behaviour. I can only assume that the pressure's getting to him.

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:

Helen Pidd ‏@helenpidd · 8h8 hours ago
Re Danczuk slagging off Ed M: I've been on the doorstep in Dewsbury this morning and a few voters, unprompted, started ranting about him.

Graun stepping up the anti-Ed attacks then.

LadyCentauria wrote:

Hobiejoe wrote:

Rebecca wrote:

I do agree with this.Why are people attacking SH so much today?Disagree with the points he makes,or if he pisses you off so much scroll past his posts.He was made welcome here,is polite and honest in his views,and I have seen nothing he has written here to warrant any of this.

I rather read it as an entertaining piece of whimsy, making light of a situation, and maybe intended to diffuse tensions.

Of course FTN is a welcoming place, this is why I enjoy it, mainly as a lurker, I'm afraid. But I can also see why the odd member may raise an online eyebrow at SH's beliefs, motivations and intentions. Sadly I'm not particularly attuned to nuance, or sometimes even clonking obviocity (not a word? I still like it), so I shall just watch with interest from here on in.

Thank you, @Hobiejoe. That was the exactly spirit in which my silly sense of humour led me to write the piece. However, if the mods/admins feel it should be expunged from the record I will, of course, delete it.

StephenDolan wrote:' The shadow chancellor will say in a speech in Birmingham on Tuesday: “VAT is the tax that every Tory government in the last 40 years has raised. But no Labour government has ever hiked up the main rate of VAT.

“We will make our tax commitments in full in our manifesto. But I am clear that while millionaires have been given a huge tax cut, working people are paying more in tax after the last five years of the Tories.

“So today I can announce a clear pledge to the British people. The next Labour government will not raise VAT.”'

Great news.

pk1 wrote:

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:

Helen Pidd ‏@helenpidd · 8h8 hours ago
Re Danczuk slagging off Ed M: I've been on the doorstep in Dewsbury this morning and a few voters, unprompted, started ranting about him.

Graun stepping up the anti-Ed attacks then.

I took that to mean they were ranting about Danczuk, not EM.

Reading Pidd's TL makes it clear she meant EM so I'm feeling more than a little stupid right now......

What is striking is that David Cameron has been honest today...

pk1 wrote:

StephenDolan wrote:' The shadow chancellor will say in a speech in Birmingham on Tuesday: “VAT is the tax that every Tory government in the last 40 years has raised. But no Labour government has ever hiked up the main rate of VAT.

“We will make our tax commitments in full in our manifesto. But I am clear that while millionaires have been given a huge tax cut, working people are paying more in tax after the last five years of the Tories.

“So today I can announce a clear pledge to the British people. The next Labour government will not raise VAT.”'

Great news.

Makes the headlines on CityAM

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Any road up .....

I shall wish you all a good night. Big day tomorrow, first day back at work so better get some sleep.

LadyCentauria wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:

Thank you, @Hobiejoe. That was the exactly spirit in which my silly sense of humour led me to write the piece

To me it came across as someone in a room, talking in a loud voice, surrounded by friends taking the p$ss out of a person, knowing their target could hear them but would be unlikely to challenge them. In other words, bullying.
Hugo had reached out a hand with a link to a funny article, the disagreements were starting to be smoothed over. Your mocking post did nothing to help that healing. There is a place for humour. In the middle of a disagreement is not it - esp when one party has reached out to end it.
Others disagree with me on this, I wrote to a moderator and got no reply, so I am obviously in the wrong place. Leave your mocking, bullying post be, but I won't stay around to see more of it.

Been nice knowing you all and I will miss being here for the election but I cannot stay in a place where people are mocked in this way - for the crime of posting on a public forum.

I don't know what to do. I'm stunned you'd think such a thing of me and I'm really sorry my post upset you so much. There was no intent whatsoever to mock or bully Hugo, who I've never had a problem with and who, I'm sure, would tell me if he had a problem with me or my attempt at humour. Perhaps the moderator you wrote to hasn't seen your letter, yet. Please don't leave.

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Any road up .....

I shall wish you all a good night. Big day tomorrow, first day back at work so better get some sleep.

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Any road up .....

I shall wish you all a good night. Big day tomorrow, first day back at work so better get some sleep.

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Any road up .....

I shall wish you all a good night. Big day tomorrow, first day back at work so better get some sleep.

citizenJA wrote:

pk1 wrote:

StephenDolan wrote:' The shadow chancellor will say in a speech in Birmingham on Tuesday: “VAT is the tax that every Tory government in the last 40 years has raised. But no Labour government has ever hiked up the main rate of VAT.

“We will make our tax commitments in full in our manifesto. But I am clear that while millionaires have been given a huge tax cut, working people are paying more in tax after the last five years of the Tories.

“So today I can announce a clear pledge to the British people. The next Labour government will not raise VAT.”'

Great news.

Makes the headlines on CityAM

Oh, naturally.

pk1 wrote:

citizenJA wrote:

pk1 wrote: Makes the headlines on CityAM

Oh, naturally.

I have no idea what you're implying but the image is there & it proves what I said.

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