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PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

goodnight, PF

No Grant Shapps on ask the tories?

They do have Sam Gyimah MP (Education Minister), Ian Birrell (Mail on Sunday), Louisa Zissman (businesswoman), and Toby Young, I think, sat on the end but I've mislaid my glasses...

Edits to add guests, correct spelling, and confirm that it is Toby Young.

LadyCentauria wrote:No Grant Shapps on ask the tories?

Nope.

Mr Sam Gyimah MP
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b05nhrlw

citizenJA wrote:Clinton was brilliant; there's a US accent some have. Not exactly a US Southern accent but a soothing drawl like those test pilots stationed at Edwards Air Force Base post WW2 had - Clinton talks like that. Calm, professional & never nelly-boy like Dave gets when flustered.

Ah, that accent is Appalachian in origin, specifically from the area of West Virginia; now that doesn't mean the region was blessed with large numbers of exceptional pilots but they were especially blessed with one of the finest stick & rudder men of all time, one Charles Elwood "Chuck" Yeager. When he broke the sound barrier and (as Tom Wolfe would have it) ascended to the summit of the pyramid of the Right Stuff that accent began to spread, firstly to the other pilots at Muroc (now Edwards), then throughout the USAF and eventually to pilots right across the USA. If you've never read "The Right Stuff" I can highly recommend it, as well as Yeager's own autobiography.

General Yeager was 92 last month and still sharp as a tack. Bit of a hero of mine, does it show?

Chuck Yeager @GenChuckYeager
· Feb 9
What good does it do to be afraid? It doesn’t help anything. You better try and figure out what’s happening and correct it - Chuck Yeager

Edited to add - Good night yahyah and PF.

Toady confirming he is a total twat. He winds me up, but like Shapps, you know he's the master of own goals.

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:

citizenJA wrote:Clinton was brilliant; there's a US accent some have. Not exactly a US Southern accent but a soothing drawl like those test pilots stationed at Edwards Air Force Base post WW2 had - Clinton talks like that. Calm, professional & never nelly-boy like Dave gets when flustered.

Ah, that accent is Appalachian in origin, specifically from the area of West Virginia; now that doesn't mean the region was blessed with large numbers of exceptional pilots but they were especially blessed with one of the finest stick & rudder men of all time, one Charles Elwood "Chuck" Yeager. When he broke the sound barrier and (as Tom Wolfe would have it) ascended to the summit of the pyramid of the Right Stuff that accent began to spread, firstly to the other pilots at Muroc (now Edwards), then throughout the USAF and eventually to pilots right across the USA. If you've never read "The Right Stuff" I can highly recommend it, as well as Yeager's own autobiography.

General Yeager was 92 last month and still sharp as a tack. Bit of a hero of mine, does it show?

Chuck Yeager @GenChuckYeager
· Feb 9
What good does it do to be afraid? It doesn’t help anything. You better try and figure out what’s happening and correct it - Chuck Yeager

Edited to add - Good night yahyah and PF.

My grandpa spent some years mining coal in Kentucky.

'there's a demon in the air'

Toady Young claims 80% of jobs since 2010 are well paid, many of them middle management. And then proceeds to shake his head in denial when a very informed woman in the crowd points out that a big chunk of them are self-employed and that the average wage for self-employed people has dropped 20%.

This is painful to watch.

"What good does it do to be afraid? It doesn’t help anything. You better try and figure out what’s happening and correct it"

Yeager's voice in two sentences stilling fear

RobertSnozers wrote:

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:

citizenJA wrote:Clinton was brilliant; there's a US accent some have. Not exactly a US Southern accent but a soothing drawl like those test pilots stationed at Edwards Air Force Base post WW2 had - Clinton talks like that. Calm, professional & never nelly-boy like Dave gets when flustered.

Ah, that accent is Appalachian in origin, specifically from the area of West Virginia; now that doesn't mean the region was blessed with large numbers of exceptional pilots but they were especially blessed with one of the finest stick & rudder men of all time, one Charles Elwood "Chuck" Yeager. When he broke the sound barrier and (as Tom Wolfe would have it) ascended to the summit of the pyramid of the Right Stuff that accent began to spread, firstly to the other pilots at Muroc (now Edwards), then throughout the USAF and eventually to pilots right across the USA. If you've never read "The Right Stuff" I can highly recommend it, as well as Yeager's own autobiography.

General Yeager was 92 last month and still sharp as a tack. Bit of a hero of mine, does it show?

Chuck Yeager @GenChuckYeager
· Feb 9
What good does it do to be afraid? It doesn’t help anything. You better try and figure out what’s happening and correct it - Chuck Yeager

Total coincidence, I was off sick today and took the opportunity to watch the BluRay of The Right Stuff. Brilliant film, if a little over dramatised.

Yeager is a hero of course, but I was always more of a fan of Scott Crossfield - naval connection, and the Douglas Skyflash is just so pretty. Yeager's attitude to research and anyone else doing high speed work grated on me somewhat. But then I never recovered from a supersonic spin.

Film is decent enough, but the book is so much better; the General had a cameo appearance in the film, as a waiter at Pancho Barnes "Happy Bottom Riding Club". I agree, his attitude could be a mite challenging but, as you suggest, his career kinda gave him the right to be so.

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

Night PF & YahYah

Spacedone wrote:Toady Young claims 80% of jobs since 2010 are well paid, many of them middle management. And then proceeds to shake his head in denial when a very informed woman in the crowd points out that a big chunk of them are self-employed and that the average wage for self-employed people has dropped 20%.

This is painful to watch.

I wasn't going to bother with this but might have to re-run it later. Sounds hilarious.

citizenJA wrote:

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:

citizenJA wrote:Clinton was brilliant; there's a US accent some have. Not exactly a US Southern accent but a soothing drawl like those test pilots stationed at Edwards Air Force Base post WW2 had - Clinton talks like that. Calm, professional & never nelly-boy like Dave gets when flustered.

Ah, that accent is Appalachian in origin, specifically from the area of West Virginia; now that doesn't mean the region was blessed with large numbers of exceptional pilots but they were especially blessed with one of the finest stick & rudder men of all time, one Charles Elwood "Chuck" Yeager. When he broke the sound barrier and (as Tom Wolfe would have it) ascended to the summit of the pyramid of the Right Stuff that accent began to spread, firstly to the other pilots at Muroc (now Edwards), then throughout the USAF and eventually to pilots right across the USA. If you've never read "The Right Stuff" I can highly recommend it, as well as Yeager's own autobiography.

General Yeager was 92 last month and still sharp as a tack. Bit of a hero of mine, does it show?

Chuck Yeager @GenChuckYeager
· Feb 9
What good does it do to be afraid? It doesn’t help anything. You better try and figure out what’s happening and correct it - Chuck Yeager

Edited to add - Good night yahyah and PF.

My grandpa spent some years mining coal in Kentucky.

'there's a demon in the air'

Mr Ohso's paternal side had their roots in Kentucky and I tracked some of the line back to Virginia in the 1700's. It was fascinating learning about the history and places.

RogerOThornhill wrote:

Spacedone wrote:Toady Young claims 80% of jobs since 2010 are well paid, many of them middle management. And then proceeds to shake his head in denial when a very informed woman in the crowd points out that a big chunk of them are self-employed and that the average wage for self-employed people has dropped 20%.

This is painful to watch.

I wasn't going to bother with this but might have to re-run it later. Sounds hilarious.

The general consensus on Twitter is that it's been pretty bad for the Tories.

My favourite tweet was along the lines of "Miliband turned up and engaged with the questions. This lot just sit there shaking their heads."

All in all it's been a fairly poor day for the Tories.

Spacedone wrote:

RogerOThornhill wrote:

Spacedone wrote:Toady Young claims 80% of jobs since 2010 are well paid, many of them middle management. And then proceeds to shake his head in denial when a very informed woman in the crowd points out that a big chunk of them are self-employed and that the average wage for self-employed people has dropped 20%.

This is painful to watch.

I wasn't going to bother with this but might have to re-run it later. Sounds hilarious.

The general consensus on Twitter is that it's been pretty bad for the Tories.

My favourite tweet was along the lines of "Miliband turned up and engaged with the questions. This lot just sit there shaking their heads."

All in all it's been a fairly poor day for the Tories.

And the best bit is that it is all self inflicted.

It's pretty embarrassing for the tories that not even one MP could be bothered to go,just the reps from the newpapers and a business woman.

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:

Spacedone wrote:

RogerOThornhill wrote: I wasn't going to bother with this but might have to re-run it later. Sounds hilarious.

The general consensus on Twitter is that it's been pretty bad for the Tories.

My favourite tweet was along the lines of "Miliband turned up and engaged with the questions. This lot just sit there shaking their heads."

All in all it's been a fairly poor day for the Tories.

And the best bit is that it is all self inflicted.

And now Twitter being flooded by people attacking the audience members and calling them thick, selfish, decadent, scum...

Anybody keeping tally of the UKIP election candidates, because another one has gone!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-s ... s-32038485" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

JA - the speech when OGRFG does his Jesus thing was at the Tory conference - it was laugh-out-loud funny.

Free Speech - good grief.

The MP didn't look at the people asking the questions - straight to camera every time. Policy/factoid regurgitation. Well done Sam.

Toadfeatures did his usual clever-clever nasty fat schoolboy routine. Fact-free tosh as ever, and extremely patronising. Twunt.

Luisa Whoever was vile. She was on the Apprentice and Sleb Big Brother; she has some ebay business which she claims are worth millions but according to the Indy they're worth £194. Thick as a brick, and lives in the Heil's Sidebar of Shame in various states of not-quite-dressed.

Birrell was OK - he's a reasonable bloke, even if I don't agree with his politics; what he says he wants will never come from the Tories.

All in all, good job. Those kids were terrific, and they weren't buying the bullshit. The young man who was talking about being homeless soon was given a very rough ride by that idiotic woman on the panel, and I'm so glad he fought his corner and was supported by the audience.

Several questions about why Cameron wasn't there. Good.

I can't help feeling that if there were young people there thinking of voting for the Tories, they would not have been impressed by what they saw and heard tonight.

I am now beginning to wonder if these moronic people in government are trying to lose....

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:Anybody keeping tally of the UKIP election candidates, because another one has gone!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-s ... s-32038485" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Said earlier - it's 17 now.

Spacedone wrote:

TheGrimSqueaker wrote:

Spacedone wrote: The general consensus on Twitter is that it's been pretty bad for the Tories.

My favourite tweet was along the lines of "Miliband turned up and engaged with the questions. This lot just sit there shaking their heads."

All in all it's been a fairly poor day for the Tories.

And the best bit is that it is all self inflicted.

And now Twitter being flooded by people attacking the audience members and calling them thick, selfish, decadent, scum...

The audience came out of it much better than the Tories.
Where did they find that MyleneKlassalike 'businesswoman'?

gilsey wrote:

Spacedone wrote:

TheGrimSqueaker wrote: And the best bit is that it is all self inflicted.

And now Twitter being flooded by people attacking the audience members and calling them thick, selfish, decadent, scum...

The audience came out of it much better than the Tories.
Where did they find that MyleneKlassalike 'businesswoman'?

The Apprentice and Celebrity Big Brother I think. Down w' the kidz innit.

Thank you, Ephemerid.
Good-night, friends.
Please, AAW, come back.
love
JA

Something weird happening on the #AskATory hashtag. Since the end of the programme it's been flooded with Spanish tweets... it's almost like someone is trying to make it hard for people to read the real comments.

Spacedone wrote:

gilsey wrote:

Spacedone wrote: And now Twitter being flooded by people attacking the audience members and calling them thick, selfish, decadent, scum...

The audience came out of it much better than the Tories.
Where did they find that MyleneKlassalike 'businesswoman'?

The Apprentice and Celebrity Big Brother I think. Down w' the kidz innit.

Why would the Tories think it would be a good idea for her to represent them?


Goodnight citizen.

gilsey wrote:

Spacedone wrote:

gilsey wrote: The audience came out of it much better than the Tories.
Where did they find that MyleneKlassalike 'businesswoman'?

The Apprentice and Celebrity Big Brother I think. Down w' the kidz innit.

Why would the Tories think it would be a good idea for her to represent them?


Goodnight citizen.

No-one cares what she says.

"Did you see that no mark muck up last night?" is fine with Crosby.

RogerOThornhill wrote:

Spacedone wrote:Toady Young claims 80% of jobs since 2010 are well paid, many of them middle management. And then proceeds to shake his head in denial when a very informed woman in the crowd points out that a big chunk of them are self-employed and that the average wage for self-employed people has dropped 20%.

This is painful to watch.

I wasn't going to bother with this but might have to re-run it later. Sounds hilarious.

You must watch it.

Young looked adult compared with Gymiah and Luisa Ladmag.

JustMom wrote:It's pretty embarrassing for the tories that not even one MP could be bothered to go,just the reps from the newpapers and a business woman.

Sam Gyimah is an MP - just not a very bright one.

RogerOThornhill wrote:

JustMom wrote:It's pretty embarrassing for the tories that not even one MP could be bothered to go,just the reps from the newpapers and a business woman.

Sam Gyimah is an MP - just not a very bright one.

Yes I just realised that,they were all so rubbish I turned over after about 10 minutes.

RogerOThornhill wrote:

JustMom wrote:It's pretty embarrassing for the tories that not even one MP could be bothered to go,just the reps from the newpapers and a business woman.

Sam Gyimah is an MP - just not a very bright one.

They'll want their constituents to vote for them in May, so is it that they don't dare appear on any sort of programme where they'll be asked difficult questions that they can't answer?

Worth bookmarking I think.

Brian May's new site.

http://www.commondecency.org.uk/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well the X-files is back.

http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio ... n-anderson

Which will simply remind us all how much better Fringe was. The show the X-files should have been.

Hi all
Just a quick drive by to say thanks for your messages and kind words.
@LadyC
Yesterday I was very harsh and out of order in my post to you for which I apologise, I hope you forgive me, my wording was wrong and it was very badly expressed.
Ernst emailed me and in return I explained why yesterdays kerfuffle produced a strong reaction for me. Not going into that here though.

I'm not in a good place at the moment so will hunker down till the black dog is back on his leash.
Thanks again for kindness expressed, I'll bob in out now and then - if that's OK with everyone

Love to all xx

As the world is indulging in largely clueless speculation about what happened to the A320 aircraft today, allow me to add to the noise as FTN's mostly clueless air transport correspondent.

The lack of any message, combined with the rapid, but controlled descent, seems to suggest a possibility of depressurisation leading to crew incapacity after they initiated emergency descent.

Or it could be something else.....

Given they have reportedly got the black boxes answers will probably come reasonably quickly. As always PPrune has the informed comment. Very sad event.

I helped organise the pub protest against Nigel Farage because absolutely no-one should feel frightened by Ukip
After all the bigoted statements they've made, it's about time we all stood up for ourselves

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 28712.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Edited to put it in quotes otherwise it looked as if I'd organised the protest Doh....

AngryAsWell wrote:Hi all
Just a quick drive by to say thanks for your messages and kind words.
@LadyC
Yesterday I was very harsh and out of order in my post to you for which I apologise, I hope you forgive me, my wording was wrong and it was very badly expressed.
Ernst emailed me and in return I explained why yesterdays kerfuffle produced a strong reaction for me. Not going into that here though.

I'm not in a good place at the moment so will hunker down till the black dog is back on his leash.
Thanks again for kindness expressed, I'll bob in out now and then - if that's OK with everyone

Love to all xx

I love dogs, but not the black one...Chase that bugger off AngryAsWell. Take care.

Hearing the BBC News didn't play Cameron being jeered.

Labour discussed again in context of SNP.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Hearing the BBC News didn't play Cameron being jeered.

Labour discussed again in context of SNP.

The BBC really are Tory party lapdogs. Pretty certain if it was Miliband being given a hard time they would have gone with it. After the election, if Labour wins, the organisation needs gutting.

AngryAsWell wrote:Hi all
Just a quick drive by to say thanks for your messages and kind words.
@LadyC
Yesterday I was very harsh and out of order in my post to you for which I apologise, I hope you forgive me, my wording was wrong and it was very badly expressed.
Ernst emailed me and in return I explained why yesterdays kerfuffle produced a strong reaction for me. Not going into that here though.

I'm not in a good place at the moment so will hunker down till the black dog is back on his leash.
Thanks again for kindness expressed, I'll bob in out now and then - if that's OK with everyone

Love to all xx

Sorry to hear some comments upset you yesterday, AAW. A change is as good as a rest, as they say, so I hope you'll feel better for spending less time on FTN for a while.

Can't see Cameron humiliated by pensioners anyway on BBC News front page.

TechnicalEphemera wrote:As the world is indulging in largely clueless speculation about what happened to the A320 aircraft today, allow me to add to the noise as FTN's mostly clueless air transport correspondent.

The lack of any message, combined with the rapid, but controlled descent, seems to suggest a possibility of depressurisation leading to crew incapacity after they initiated emergency descent.

Or it could be something else.....

Given they have reportedly got the black boxes answers will probably come reasonably quickly. As always PPrune has the informed comment. Very sad event.

I reckon it's aliens, always aliens.

I don't know who UKIP and the LIbDems are planning to send, but it's astonishing that looking at the line ups on Free Speech

Labour - Ed Miliband (Leader)
SNP - Nicola Sturgeon (Leader)
Greens - Natalie Bennett (Leader)
Plaid Cymru - Leanne Wood (Leader)
Conservatives - a first term MP, a supporter from business and a couple of journos.

If they're dumb enough to put out one of those posters that can easily be amended (I want to say 'like last time' but I think it was 2005) then I know their new slogan needs to be 'Holding the electorate in contempt'.

AngryAsWell wrote:Hi all
Just a quick drive by to say thanks for your messages and kind words.
@LadyC
Yesterday I was very harsh and out of order in my post to you for which I apologise, I hope you forgive me, my wording was wrong and it was very badly expressed.
Ernst emailed me and in return I explained why yesterdays kerfuffle produced a strong reaction for me. Not going into that here though.

I'm not in a good place at the moment so will hunker down till the black dog is back on his leash.
Thanks again for kindness expressed, I'll bob in out now and then - if that's OK with everyone

Love to all xx

No worries, @AAW, and I'm sorry, again, that you were upset. I'm very sorry to hear that things aren't good for you and the moment and hope the black dog leaves you very soon. Much love to you and I'll hope you're soon back again. xxx

refitman wrote:

TechnicalEphemera wrote:As the world is indulging in largely clueless speculation about what happened to the A320 aircraft today, allow me to add to the noise as FTN's mostly clueless air transport correspondent.

The lack of any message, combined with the rapid, but controlled descent, seems to suggest a possibility of depressurisation leading to crew incapacity after they initiated emergency descent.

Or it could be something else.....

Given they have reportedly got the black boxes answers will probably come reasonably quickly. As always PPrune has the informed comment. Very sad event.

I reckon it's aliens, always aliens.

Yeah, there will always be conspiracy nuts for MH370 of course.

Seriously, this may be the third fatal accident that could (only could) have been avoided without the cockpit door locks introduced post 2001.

Helios (likely), Germanwings (possible) MH370 (possible).

Is it really worth the continued risk just to prevent an event that will probably never happen again because of improved security.

I didn't see it.....but holy crap!

Laura McInerney
‏@miss_mcinerney
Oh god, Newsnight just did an imaginary montage based in 2017. BoJo was running for PM post. But so was EDUCATION SECRETARY LIZ TRUSS.

I'm posting this up for my daughter.

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No subtext, but many of you will know exactly what I mean.

AngryAsWell wrote:Hi all
Just a quick drive by to say thanks for your messages and kind words.
@LadyC
Yesterday I was very harsh and out of order in my post to you for which I apologise, I hope you forgive me, my wording was wrong and it was very badly expressed.
Ernst emailed me and in return I explained why yesterdays kerfuffle produced a strong reaction for me. Not going into that here though.

I'm not in a good place at the moment so will hunker down till the black dog is back on his leash.
Thanks again for kindness expressed, I'll bob in out now and then - if that's OK with everyone

Love to all xx

Come back when you feel a bit more sorted. My email was just a 'wotcha hon', so don't expect any special treatment from the mods around here, no sir!

But you take care of yourself, and I will be happier than most as and when you come back and post. You are appreciated, and this is me telling you so.

ErnstRemarx wrote:I'm posting this up for my daughter.

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No subtext, but many of you will know exactly what I mean.

Utterly.

And all those people who say that you must enjoy these times as much as you can because they grow so quickly? Turns out they're entirely right. Carpe Sprogum.