Ich fand es hierutopiandreams wrote:@danesclose
Wo ist das, DC? Oder doch lieber ich nicht nennen Sie, DC?
http://www.vice.com/de/read/wichtige-fr ... iggate-101" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Ich fand es hierutopiandreams wrote:@danesclose
Wo ist das, DC? Oder doch lieber ich nicht nennen Sie, DC?
Seriously. Hope he manages it...RobertSnozers wrote:This analysis of piggate is worth a read
http://www.robfahey.co.uk/blog/the-pm-t ... -on-power/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The PM, the Pig and musings on Power
I’m going to try to do something perhaps unwise, perhaps impossible; I’m going to try to write something serious about David Cameron and “pig-gate”. I’m even going to abstain from porcine puns – because for all that this story is gleeful tabloid filth, I think that at its beating heart there is an important story about control, about authority and about the nature of power in modern Britain.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/co ... ce-6487487" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;... A Tory association rushed to cancel a 'pig race' fundraiser today after lurid claims about David Cameron hogged the headlines.
Pulled pork sandwiches would have been served at the 'exciting and unpredictable evening' in West Yorkshire - with tickets priced at just £7.50 a head.
But the Dewsbury County Conservative Association pulled the event from its Facebook page just hours after claims about the PM emerged.
Thankfully for pig-lovers the event has now been hastily reinstated - with organisers admitting someone 'was a bit premature' in pulling it...
...One user of the social networking site wrote: "Hey guys why cancel the pig race? Have you no sense of humour? oink!"
Another put simply: "What happened to the pig f***ing event?"...
When I mentioned criminal activity, I wasn't referring to Dave and the pig.utopiandreams wrote:@citizenJA
I'm not sure that any law has actually been broken, JA. No matter how depraved we consider his deeds, bestiality would only apply to live creatures, wouldn't it? Of course I'm no expert on such matters I hasten to add.
Rob Merrick @Rob_Merrick 1m1 minute ago
Here's full LP by 'Iain Duncan Smiths' @ids_dwp ...think Girlfriend in a Coma (She's Fit for Work) is highlight - http://bit.ly/1gGqkv4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
RobertSnozers wrote:Yes, I think this was unfortunate. Being able to hang back and wait for the 'renegotiation' was a good position to be in. And purely cynically, how many votes are there in being a party that's pro-EU no matter what?rebeccariots2 wrote:I'm worried that the pressure that has already clearly been exerted on Corbyn from certain parts / people in Labour re Europe will not allow Corbyn and the SC to see the trap for what it is and do the sensible thing that you suggest ... i.e. keep shouting it's YOUR referendum.AnatolyKasparov wrote:I just don't see how he will get away with that - Labour should simply shout "its YOUR referendum, the one YOU wanted" at him non stop.
I actually think neutrality might also be a better position for Labour if Cameron and the Tories are going to take that stance. We really shouldn't be the front runners in any of the campaign stuff for Cameron's referendum.
At the very least, Labour should avoid campaigning FOR remaining in if that's what it takes. Otherwise they'll just be in exactly the same position as in the Indyref. Which is probably what the Tories are counting on.
Lord Ashcroft @LordAshcroft 1 hr1 hour ago
Just finished my third day on the Battlefields of Gallipoli. Fascinating experience. Must catch up with what's happening in the UK.
ohsocynical wrote:William Bain @William_Bain 17 hrs17 hours ago
Most damaging revelation from Ashcroft book: Cameron & The Bullingdon Club "It was all about despising poor people"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... n-boy.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …
Thanks, Robert, I hope I wouldn't be considered as following the crowd if I also pointed out the ramifications of Dave's dastardly deeds? The early part of this analysis largely mirrors my own thoughts but then goes on to suggest that Dave could and may even survive this. I hope not.RobertSnozers wrote:This analysis of piggate is worth a read
http://www.robfahey.co.uk/blog/the-pm-t ... -on-power/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
...
Sound not brilliant for my bad hearing so had a job with the words, but it sounds rather like just another protest song.rebeccariots2 wrote:I apologise if posting this here offends anyone. I think humour might be very necessary to get these s***s disgraced and out of power though. Haven't listened to this - hope it is actually funny.
Rob Merrick @Rob_Merrick 1m1 minute ago
Here's full LP by 'Iain Duncan Smiths' @ids_dwp ...think Girlfriend in a Coma (She's Fit for Work) is highlight - http://bit.ly/1gGqkv4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Is the bolded bit dedicated to Dippy J Hodges, I wonder?Ashcroft hints he's planning a second book critical of Cameron
Bad news for David Cameron. Following the publication of this biography, Lord Ashcroft may publish another potentially damaging memoir, he has hinted.(Politics Live, Guardian - my bold)
Thank you for this!PorFavor wrote:Is the bolded bit dedicated to Dippy J Hodges, I wonder?Ashcroft hints he's planning a second book critical of Cameron
Bad news for David Cameron. Following the publication of this biography, Lord Ashcroft may publish another potentially damaging memoir, he has hinted.(Politics Live, Guardian - my bold)
Why warn Cameron ?PorFavor wrote:Is the bolded bit dedicated to Dippy J Hodges, I wonder?Ashcroft hints he's planning a second book critical of Cameron
Bad news for David Cameron. Following the publication of this biography, Lord Ashcroft may publish another potentially damaging memoir, he has hinted.(Politics Live, Guardian - my bold)
Would he be allowed to make any money from selling his story / diaries? What's the law on those convicted of a criminal offence not being allowed to profit from such ...?yahyah wrote:Hadn't heard of Macrory, but apparently he is a BBC journo.
Sam Macrory @sammacrory 4h4 hours ago
Another dangerous enemy? "Andy does not feel well disposed towards Cameron..." - Kelvin MacKenzie on Andy Coulson #bbcdp
Peter Jukes @peterjukes 4h4 hours ago
Since #hackingtrial evidence showed Coulson kept a diary while Cameron's press spokesman, this *could* be much more damaging
This is the angle to approach, I think.yahyah wrote:If anyone actually does have a pic of Cameron doing the business, such a pic is alleged to have existed, today's revelations would make it worth a lot.
The pic's monetary value on the tabloid market might be outweighed by its worth to an individual who may want Cameron to play ball on some issue.
It may also help explain why the Tories have been so desperate to smear Corbyn as a risk to national security.
A PM who is potentially blackmailable if pics of sex with pigs really exist, is surely a massive security risk himself.
Who does Bonnie Greer mean by this?I'm happy, too, for that vengeful Blairite ultra out there - who just got a big, fat book contract.
Just shut up, maybe?Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 3m3 minutes ago
Could Corbynites just give me the line to take if the pig story turns out to have been a pack of lies. Ta.
Hodges desperately wants it to be a pack of lies.rebeccariots2 wrote:Just shut up, maybe?Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 3m3 minutes ago
Could Corbynites just give me the line to take if the pig story turns out to have been a pack of lies. Ta.
Or maybe take a look at some of the other stories there e.g. Cameron knowing about Ashcroft being a non-dom back in 2009.rebeccariots2 wrote:Just shut up, maybe?Dan Hodges @DPJHodges 3m3 minutes ago
Could Corbynites just give me the line to take if the pig story turns out to have been a pack of lies. Ta.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 74367.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;ohsocynical wrote:Harry Leslie Smith @Harryslaststand 14 mins14 minutes ago
Disturbing about #piggate is that there are no stories from mates of PM doing anything particularly worthwhile or kind when young
David Cameron accepted an all-expenses paid trip to apartheid South Africa while Nelson Mandela was still in prison, an updated biography of the Tory leader reveals today.
The trip by Mr Cameron in 1989, when he was a rising star of the Conservative Research Department, was a chance for him to "see for himself" and was funded by a firm that lobbied against the imposition of sanctions on the apartheid regime.
Thanks for the link, danesclose, doesn't poking fun at our acting PM sound delicious in German, Wichtige Fragen, die der Schweinesex-Skandal um David Cameron aufwirft?danesclose wrote:Ich fand es hierutopiandreams wrote:@danesclose
Wo ist das, DC? Oder doch lieber ich nicht nennen Sie, DC?
http://www.vice.com/de/read/wichtige-fr ... iggate-101" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
As I'm a placid, forgiving person I ignored itutopiandreams wrote:Thanks for the link, danesclose, doesn't poking fun at our acting PM sound delicious in German, Wichtige Fragen, die der Schweinesex-Skandal um David Cameron aufwirft?danesclose wrote:Ich fand es hierutopiandreams wrote:@danesclose
Wo ist das, DC? Oder doch lieber ich nicht nennen Sie, DC?
http://www.vice.com/de/read/wichtige-fr ... iggate-101" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Btw my asking about calling you DC was tongue-in-cheek because of Dave's initials, someone I'm guessing you wouldn't appreciate being likened to.
Well known when? Cameron would have left Eton in 1984.yahyah wrote:Why do you think it is unlikely to be true Roger ?
US universities have had problems with hazing, weird or sexual initiation rituals for years.
Why would our own elite institutions have been any different, particularly when sexualised behaviour and forms of humiliation and 'fagging' (being forced to be a servant), were well known at public schools and likely to be continued at uni?
There are other rumours surrounding that trip, Tubby, concerning its sponsors, Israel, Conservative party funds and missing nukes. Whether or not they be true I couldn't possibly say.Tubby Isaacs wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 74367.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;ohsocynical wrote:Harry Leslie Smith @Harryslaststand 14 mins14 minutes ago
Disturbing about #piggate is that there are no stories from mates of PM doing anything particularly worthwhile or kind when young
David Cameron accepted an all-expenses paid trip to apartheid South Africa while Nelson Mandela was still in prison, an updated biography of the Tory leader reveals today.
The trip by Mr Cameron in 1989, when he was a rising star of the Conservative Research Department, was a chance for him to "see for himself" and was funded by a firm that lobbied against the imposition of sanctions on the apartheid regime.
It wasn't that many years ago public schools were hauled into the twentieth century.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Well known when? Cameron would have left Eton in 1984.yahyah wrote:Why do you think it is unlikely to be true Roger ?
US universities have had problems with hazing, weird or sexual initiation rituals for years.
Why would our own elite institutions have been any different, particularly when sexualised behaviour and forms of humiliation and 'fagging' (being forced to be a servant), were well known at public schools and likely to be continued at uni?
Tubby Isaacs wrote:RobertSnozers wrote:Yes, I think this was unfortunate. Being able to hang back and wait for the 'renegotiation' was a good position to be in. And purely cynically, how many votes are there in being a party that's pro-EU no matter what?rebeccariots2 wrote: I'm worried that the pressure that has already clearly been exerted on Corbyn from certain parts / people in Labour re Europe will not allow Corbyn and the SC to see the trap for what it is and do the sensible thing that you suggest ... i.e. keep shouting it's YOUR referendum.
I actually think neutrality might also be a better position for Labour if Cameron and the Tories are going to take that stance. We really shouldn't be the front runners in any of the campaign stuff for Cameron's referendum.
At the very least, Labour should avoid campaigning FOR remaining in if that's what it takes. Otherwise they'll just be in exactly the same position as in the Indyref. Which is probably what the Tories are counting on.
The renegotiation is irrelevant. Cameron's not going to make everybody else change it to something they don't want. It'll be an opt out, if he gets anything.
Stay in EU and scrap the opt out as soon as possible.
Like they did when Major got his social chapter opt out.
They were shaken up more than anything by school league tables.ohsocynical wrote:It wasn't that many years ago public schools were hauled into the twentieth century.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Well known when? Cameron would have left Eton in 1984.yahyah wrote:Why do you think it is unlikely to be true Roger ?
US universities have had problems with hazing, weird or sexual initiation rituals for years.
Why would our own elite institutions have been any different, particularly when sexualised behaviour and forms of humiliation and 'fagging' (being forced to be a servant), were well known at public schools and likely to be continued at uni?
You said about a fixed term deal with your energy supplier the other day...Hope it's not too late.Paul Quigley
@quigleyp
BREAKING: UK Big 6 Energy Cartel Set To Hike Gas & Electricity Prices Hitting Elderly & Austerity-Hit Families In 'Heat Or Eat' Horror #FAIL
howsillyofme1 wrote: You keep saying it is irrelevant Tubby but with you also saying that Corbyn cannot win an election for labour - we could be looking at a Europe that is different from the one I want for a decade or more.
There is also the problem that the right-wing is in the ascendency at the moment with austerity being the mot de jour - I can see that the watering down of social protections may not be unwelcome in France (under Sarko perhaps) or Merkel.
Why say now that we will say 'In' when there is no strategic advantage to doing so and we have not actually seen what we are voting on. if you are right that it is an irrelevance then okay we can campaign on that....but what if you are wrong?
I am peo-EU but I am not pro-right wing dogma - and Europe is seeming to move in that direction.
Whatever happens we cannot let this referendum being sold as a Cameron success at the expense of Labour - he will be happy with a draw even....Labour should go out to win the argument about the benefits of a social Europe and how it can help protect the workers from the excesses of capitalism whilst allowing trade to prosper
Notice I said twentieth century. Not twenty first.Tubby Isaacs wrote:They were shaken up more than anything by school league tables.ohsocynical wrote:It wasn't that many years ago public schools were hauled into the twentieth century.Tubby Isaacs wrote: Well known when? Cameron would have left Eton in 1984.
Even if you accept "If..." as accurately reflecting its times, it was made in 1968.
Admittedly, the previous head of Eton, a serial punisher of boys and their buttocks had to leave in 1969. Cameron would have arrived in 1979.Tubby Isaacs wrote:Well known when? Cameron would have left Eton in 1984.yahyah wrote:Why do you think it is unlikely to be true Roger ?
US universities have had problems with hazing, weird or sexual initiation rituals for years.
Why would our own elite institutions have been any different, particularly when sexualised behaviour and forms of humiliation and 'fagging' (being forced to be a servant), were well known at public schools and likely to be continued at uni?