Saturday, 13th August - Sunday, 14th August 2016

[RogerOThornhill]

And next page.

But there's nothing on the next page...oh...

[tinyclanger2]

Minister says Brexit campaign legitimised racist language

The Rev Aniko Schutz Bradwell, who leads the Humbie with Yester, Bolton and Saltoun congregations in East Lothian, said the rhetoric of politicians in the Brexit campaign seems to have "made it legitimate to use racist language".
...
"I grew up in East Germany, behind a wall - with very limited opportunities to travel, learn from others, or even live abroad - I don't want us to build any more walls."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 90076.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[ohsocynical]

This is about my level.

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[PorFavor]

Crown estate wades into Hinkley Point nuclear debate

Body says, with government reviewing £18.5bn project, benefits of renewables such as offshore wind should be looked at (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/environment ... ear-debate

[ohsocynical]

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[RogerOThornhill]

Re the above...

Jo Maugham QC ‏@JolyonMaugham 32m32 minutes ago
Jo Maugham QC Retweeted Ashley Cowburn
Actual fee: £1,000. Facts, eh? (Thanks, the must follow @nearlylegal).


and then...

Ashley Cowburn ‏@ashcowburn 39m39 minutes ago
@drlangtry_girl Supreme Court have just put out a statement saying 1k. Members have just changed their statement too.

[ohsocynical]

‘Despicable pasty-faced b*****d!’ Farage BLASTS Osborne in Brexit slapdown
The former Ukip leader also blasted him as “despicable” and a “weasel” and said he hoped Mr Osborne is never seen in public again.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/699835 ... rne-brexit

[yahyah]

So was the litigants claiming it would cost £8,000 a mistake ?

[yahyah]

I see Farage didn't get Corbyn's ''no personal attacks'' memo.

[yahyah]

Retweeted by Maugham too:
Not sure who the original source is



The tweet from Hopi Sen says ''If Corbyn thinks reports of 'entryism' are nonsense why did @Peoples Momentum expel these non existent entryists ?''

Amusing to see how definitions of right/left change according to where you sit.
''right wing compromisers in Momentum''

Will this never end ? [Yes, I know Momentum aren't part of Labour, but it just shows the sort of thing that is going on. No one suggested that there were 300,000 Trots]

[RogerOThornhill]

So was the litigants claiming it would cost £8,000 a mistake ?

Yes.

[yahyah]

The best way through this mess is to laugh. The Tories must be.

[RogerOThornhill]

The best way through this mess is to laugh. The Tories must be.

Given the Fox/Boris squabbling and the "what the hell are we supposed to be doing about Brexit?", they have their own problems right now...

Labour have a few weeks to get their act together by party conference time.

[yahyah]

I admire your optimism Roger.

[RogerOThornhill]

You have to be an optimist as the alternatives e.g. a full split, are so horrific they don't bear thinking about...

[SpinningHugo]

I think the answer to this depends on how close Smith can get to 40%

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/polit ... ith-corbyn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I think Bale is probably right

Which will tell us whether having another go is worthwhile.

In a way the 6 month cut off date is unhelpful for the rebellion. What we need to know is whether Corbyn can be beaten next year, and to know that it would be helpful to have lumped in the new joiners to see how they split.

If Smith is a long way off, and I was a 'moderate' MP in a marginal, I'd split now.

[ohsocynical]

The best way through this mess is to laugh. The Tories must be.

Given the Fox/Boris squabbling and the "what the hell are we supposed to be doing about Brexit?", they have their own problems right now...

Labour have a few weeks to get their act together by party conference time.

Is there definitely going to be a conference? I'm sure I read it was in some doubt a while back. Something to do with security not having been booked? They didn't want G4S and the company they'd booked weren't suitable. Or something like that

[yahyah]

If Corbyn wins again and nothing works differently, either they way he manages the leadership job, or the antipathy from the PLP, and polls continue to be bad for Labour there's no sign that he would willingly vacate the leadership.
A third general election defeat for Labour would too awful to contemplate.

That's numero uno reason to me to not vote for him again. I have no sense of when he, or his most ardent supporters, would be willing to admit it wasn't working. If he thinks winning elections is part of the system of elites [as some Momentum people have said} and not important, there is no reason for him to feel the need to leave the job.

Lost Soul wrote yesterday about her regular donations for the previous elections.
A lot of us have given what we can. But why bother dipping your hand into your purse or wallet if you are told winning isn't important ? So maybe Corbyn won't ask us to donate. Who needs a Labour government when you have a movement ?

[ohsocynical]

SportOlympics
Rio 2016: Green Olympic diving pool 'smells of farts', says German diver Stephan Feck

The water polo pool at the Rio de Janeiro aquatics centre will be drained completely after it was revealed that an unauthorised dump of 80 litres of hydrogen peroxide was responsible for turning the two pools a murky green colour in what has been described by organisers as “embarrassing”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olym ... 89616.html

[RogerOThornhill]

Wow!

Max Whitlock won the individual floor gold! GB's very first gymnastics gold.

Not as difficult as some others but execution was spot-on.

[ohsocynical]

GB Gold in Golf!!! Not that I find it exciting.

[PorFavor]

The best way through this mess is to laugh. The Tories must be.

Given the Fox/Boris squabbling and the "what the hell are we supposed to be doing about Brexit?", they have their own problems right now...

Labour have a few weeks to get their act together by party conference time.

Is there definitely going to be a conference? I'm sure I read it was in some doubt a while back. Something to do with security not having been booked? They didn't want G4S and the company they'd booked weren't suitable. Or something like that

I found this (although your mention of doubts was the first I'd heard of it) -

Labour may be forced to cancel party conference unless deal is signed with new security company (Telegraph, 10th August 2016)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08 ... -deal-sig/

[PorFavor]

Oh - and this:

Labour Party conference WILL go ahead in Liverpool after security fears dismissed

16:40, 10 Aug 2016
Updated 16:42, 10 Aug 2016
By Joe Thomas

Organisers insist security issues have been resolved as thousands prepare for next month's event
(Liverpool Echo)

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... d-11731814

[RogerOThornhill]

Wow!

Max Whitlock won the individual floor gold! GB's very first gymnastics gold.

Not as difficult as some others but execution was spot-on.

And another one! And a silver.

Astonishing.

[ohsocynical]

Wow!

Max Whitlock won the individual floor gold! GB's very first gymnastics gold.

Not as difficult as some others but execution was spot-on.

And another one! And a silver.

Astonishing.

And a gold and silver guaranteed in the cycling later this evening

[ohsocynical]

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[PaulfromYorkshire]

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Zoe Williams

[TR'sGhost]

So was the litigants claiming it would cost £8,000 a mistake ?

The cost of asking for leave to appeal isn't just the court fee any more than the cost of a prosecution is just the court fee.

You also need a (good, usually a QC) barrister's opinion arguing why your request for an appeal should be granted because you do have a valid argument to pit forward or the appeal court made an error of law.

QC's opinions on that sort of thing do not come cheaply.

Edited to add - the court may direct an oral hearing of the application for leave or ask for further arguments. Which adds to the legal costs. If the other party's opinion is sought, the party requesting leave may find themselves liable for the other party's cost in opposing the request for appeal.

[TR'sGhost]

If Corbyn wins again and nothing works differently, either they way he manages the leadership job, or the antipathy from the PLP, and polls continue to be bad for Labour there's no sign that he would willingly vacate the leadership.
A third general election defeat for Labour would too awful to contemplate.

That's numero uno reason to me to not vote for him again. I have no sense of when he, or his most ardent supporters, would be willing to admit it wasn't working. If he thinks winning elections is part of the system of elites [as some Momentum people have said} and not important, there is no reason for him to feel the need to leave the job.

"Some Momentum people have said"?

So what. In any political group you will find people who say all kinds of things. Doesn't mean they have any actual influence beyond media coverage intended to discredit a large number of people by holding the words of a few against them all.

An ex-MP who is currently very popular indeed with "some senior Labour backbenchers" called state-sponsored kidnapping for torture and indefinite secret detention "special rendition for enhanced interrogation". He even administered the process.

It can only be assumed therefore that these anonymous "senior moderate Labour backbenchers" and their supporters are very enthusiastic supporters of kidnap, torture and anonymous imprisonment for life. Behaviour more frequently associated with right-wing South Amarrican dictatorships than a democratic country. So it's perfectly clear that some of the PLP coup attempters are willing to throw away the rule of law if it suits them.

I certainly haven't heard Eagle, Benn, Watson, Mann, Phillips etc. say otherwise. And if they did, why should I believe them if they attach themselves to someone like David Milliband?

See how it works?

[ohsocynical]

So. A gold and silver in the cycling...

[ChrisDean]

Sticking my head above the parapet here and given what's gone before on this board I'm really quite nervous to post anything much here.

However...deep breath...I really do not see how the Labour Party can continue in the way it has been doing; the, "we're slightly to the left of the Tory's gambit.

I'm quite old, in terms of years, (70 next month) and there may be those amongst you who will have noticed that I participate in an old people's sport called lawn green bowling!

Now, when you're out there, with people 10 to 20 years your senior and you hear them saying that there is no point in voting because "they're all the same" then you begin to realise that it's not just you, there is actually a consensus of opinion that Labour and Tory are too close in their ideology for there to be any real choice between the two.

I actually don't think that a split in the Labour Party is anything to be afraid of; anything of worth takes courage and time to achieve.

Any worthwhile Labour party will only survive if it can return to its' true values...of course if you don't mind your beer being watered down...

Take care all, no offence to anyone xx

[adam]

I've seen a lot of Olympics. Watched in Black and white. Remember Munich when the Israeli athletes were killed.
Would have loved the coverage we get now...
Wonder if I'll be around for Tokyo?

First one I remember is Mexico 68 - distinct memory of there being a round-up show at breakfast time.

Odd that I had this thought just now that my memory of watching it before i went to school must be wrong given the time of year but look...

The 1968 Summer Olympics (Spanish: Juegos Olímpicos de Verano de 1968), officially known as the Games of the XIX Olympiad, were an international multi-sport event held in Mexico City, Mexico, in October 1968.

The opening ceremony was on my birth-day (as in the actual day I was born) - my dad always told me he went home and watched it after leaving me and my mum at the hospital.

[adam]

Thinking about it, the Seoul games in 88 were also pretty late in the year - i was back at university and watched by a group of us doing a deal with the portering staff and having them leave us locked in the union building where the tv was (virtually no students even dreaming of having a tv themselves then, never mind a pc)

[HindleA]

I hope HindleA is watching the Marathon and taking tips....

Hundredth one in October I 've taught them all how not to do it,though doubt they have been injury free,still doing them at 55 at roughly the same pace as 25,nor not entered/given up en route at least once.I pay for the privilege.

[yahyah]

If Corbyn wins again and nothing works differently, either they way he manages the leadership job, or the antipathy from the PLP, and polls continue to be bad for Labour there's no sign that he would willingly vacate the leadership.
A third general election defeat for Labour would too awful to contemplate.

That's numero uno reason to me to not vote for him again. I have no sense of when he, or his most ardent supporters, would be willing to admit it wasn't working. If he thinks winning elections is part of the system of elites [as some Momentum people have said} and not important, there is no reason for him to feel the need to leave the job.

"Some Momentum people have said"?

So what. In any political group you will find people who say all kinds of things. Doesn't mean they have any actual influence beyond media coverage intended to discredit a large number of people by holding the words of a few against them all.

An ex-MP who is currently very popular indeed with "some senior Labour backbenchers" called state-sponsored kidnapping for torture and indefinite secret detention "special rendition for enhanced interrogation". He even administered the process.

It can only be assumed therefore that these anonymous "senior moderate Labour backbenchers" and their supporters are very enthusiastic supporters of kidnap, torture and anonymous imprisonment for life. Behaviour more frequently associated with right-wing South Amarrican dictatorships than a democratic country. So it's perfectly clear that some of the PLP coup attempters are willing to throw away the rule of law if it suits them.

I certainly haven't heard Eagle, Benn, Watson, Mann, Phillips etc. say otherwise. And if they did, why should I believe them if they attach themselves to someone like David Milliband?

See how it works?

It was said by one of the founders of Momentum, who is close to Corbyn.
You may not feel it is important, which is your right, but others like me may feel it is important.

And I see how it works - you quote something that is nothing to do with me in a spectacular case of whataboutery.

Until people like you stop implying that to have reservations about Corbyn, having voted for him last year but not feeling able to do so again, makes one culpable for Blairite 'war crimes' there really is no hope is there ?