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StephenDolan wrote:

pk1 wrote:

Willow904 wrote: Do you think there's a polling figure that even Corbyn can't survive?

With a 3 point margin of error either way, 23% looks pretty uncomfortable. That's 26% at best, 20% at worst. Which is really poor. Labour are almost out of the game at the moment.

Problem is that many of his supporters believe polls are nothing more than a tory-owned media conspiracy & no matter how you might try to reason with some of them, they flat out refuse to admit he's hopeless at leadership. His hugely inflated ego created by the adoration of the attendees to his rallies & his stubbornness is killing the party - if only he had campaigned as effectively for Remain as he did for his own job, we might not be in this god-awful situation now

Sorry, this last point is bollocks. Cameron. Ca-mer-on. He's the reason for this. The first, the last, reason for this catastrophe. He owns this mess.

adam wrote:I think that...

4. Labour should have been consistently saying 'we should not be leaving - this is your mess - this is what it's going to mean to people - we will find a way to stay if the electorate will give us the chance'. They still should be saying this.

SpinningHugo wrote:

Lost Soul wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:Clive Lewis and Tulip Siddiq among frontbenchers opposed to triggering Brexit as party leader says he expects all his MPs to vote in favour

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Beth Rigby Verified account 
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NEW Tulip Siddiq tells me she'll resign from front bench if 3 line whip. MPs saying Clive Lewis/Cat Smith/Dawn Butler/Jo Stevens'll quit too

Blairite Quislings. Red Tories. etc etc.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

Willow904 wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Shami Chakrabarti on Channel 4 News- clear and authoritative on Trump, human rights. Died on her arse when asked about Corbyn or Brexit.

I wonder how tenable this is.

Do you think there's a polling figure that even Corbyn can't survive?

With a 3 point margin of error either way, 23% looks pretty uncomfortable. That's 26% at best, 20% at worst. Which is really poor. Labour are almost out of the game at the moment.

At the risk of repeating myself, the problem is not Corbyn. It's the absence of a credible alternative.

Where is the future leader? It's not like nobody else has had an opportunity! This is why blaming Corbyn for everything upsets me so much. He's there quite simply because everyone else is so crap. No vision. No compelling critique. No policies.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

Willow904 wrote: Do you think there's a polling figure that even Corbyn can't survive?

With a 3 point margin of error either way, 23% looks pretty uncomfortable. That's 26% at best, 20% at worst. Which is really poor. Labour are almost out of the game at the moment.

At the risk of repeating myself, the problem is not Corbyn. It's the absence of a credible alternative.

Where is the future leader? It's not like nobody else has had an opportunity! This is why blaming Corbyn for everything upsets me so much. He's there quite simply because everyone else is so crap. No vision. No compelling critique. No policies.

Owen Smith is rising to the challenge as we speak.

Raft of policies ready too. Business experience in key industry. No electoral baggage.

Announce standing down in summer. Somebody better will be ready.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Can someone tell me why "the Labour MPs in Exeter and Bethnal Green voted against Article 50" is supposed to be so poisonous in Stoke?

citizenJA wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Can someone tell me why "the Labour MPs in Exeter and Bethnal Green voted against Article 50" is supposed to be so poisonous in Stoke?

What's going on?

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

Willow904 wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Shami Chakrabarti on Channel 4 News- clear and authoritative on Trump, human rights. Died on her arse when asked about Corbyn or Brexit.

I wonder how tenable this is.

Do you think there's a polling figure that even Corbyn can't survive?

With a 3 point margin of error either way, 23% looks pretty uncomfortable. That's 26% at best, 20% at worst. Which is really poor. Labour are almost out of the game at the moment.

At the risk of repeating myself, the problem is not Corbyn. It's the absence of a credible alternative.

Where is the future leader? It's not like nobody else has had an opportunity! This is why blaming Corbyn for everything upsets me so much. He's there quite simply because everyone else is so crap. No vision. No compelling critique. No policies.

AngryAsWell wrote:Election Data
‏@election_data

81% of Labour members voted to Remain

Was it as high as that? I thought it was 68/69%, but if 81% is right then Corbyn is definitely barking up the wrong tree.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

citizenJA wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Can someone tell me why "the Labour MPs in Exeter and Bethnal Green voted against Article 50" is supposed to be so poisonous in Stoke?

What's going on?

The 3 line whip. I can see why the other Stoke MP might want to vote for it. Why would Stoke folk care about people in far off Remain areas?

Brexit has deepened the divergence of priorities between the Labour voters of Cambridge and Stoke – Hunt’s final speech
19th January, 2017

"...Amid the Brexit debate, I continue...to represent a constituency that voted 70:30 to leave the European Union. Week in and week out, I campaigned with colleagues for us to remain in the EU. I remember some days not meeting anyone in the potteries who wished to stay inside the EU.

The challenge that my right hon. Friend the leader of the Labour party faces is not unique to him. All parties are coalitions, but what Brexit has done is exacerbate the divergence of priorities between, say, the Labour voters of Cambridge and those in Redcar, Grimsby or Stoke-on-Trent. Keeping a metropolitan and post-industrial coalition together is no easy task.

In Stoke-on-Trent, my voters wanted to leave the European Union for three reasons: sovereignty and a return of national powers to this Parliament; a reaction against globalisation and a political economy that they thought had shut down the mines and steel industry and eliminated 80 per cent of jobs in the potteries; and immigration. The concern about immigration was not racism. It was about the effects of large-scale migration on public services and wage levels in an already low-wage city.

I often put the case that the EU was a bulwark against the ripcords of globalisation, and vital for policing and national security. I said that 50 per cent of our pottery exports went to the EU, that EU investment had assisted regeneration in north Staffordshire and that our great universities of Staffordshire and Keele both benefited from EU funding. It made no difference."

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tinyclanger2 wrote:Is all this real or am I having a year long really bad hallucination of some description?

Bonnylad wrote:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... mp-cartoon

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

citizenJA wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Can someone tell me why "the Labour MPs in Exeter and Bethnal Green voted against Article 50" is supposed to be so poisonous in Stoke?

What's going on?

The 3 line whip. I can see why the other Stoke MP might want to vote for it. Why would Stoke folk care about people in far off Remain areas?

Willow904 wrote:Sorry Bonnylad, but I just couldn't thank you for that. The image is still etched on my eyeballs. Eek!!

tinyclanger2 wrote:Despite me issues about HSOM playing the ball and not the man the other day am genuinely sorry to see our recent visitors go. Not a big fan of the "us" "them" mentality (it being at the root of all evil and everything).

tinyclanger2 wrote:I like to think that I defy imagination.

Bonnylad wrote:

Willow904 wrote:Sorry Bonnylad, but I just couldn't thank you for that. The image is still etched on my eyeballs. Eek!!

Apologies-I should have posted a warning!

AngryAsWell wrote:Laura KuenssbergVerified account
‏@bbclaurak
'Leadership by our two countries has done more than win wars, it has defined the modern world' -

LK reporting Mayhams speech on her time line

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AngryAsWell wrote:

Bonnylad wrote:

Willow904 wrote:Sorry Bonnylad, but I just couldn't thank you for that. The image is still etched on my eyeballs. Eek!!

Apologies-I should have posted a warning!

It is pretty raw... eew

Eric_WLothian wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:

Bonnylad wrote: Apologies-I should have posted a warning!

It is pretty raw... eew

Try this:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... cial-trick

Kyle Griffin ‏@kylegriffin1 29m29 minutes ago

And now @washingtonpost reports Sean Spicer is also registered to vote in two states:

tinyclanger2 wrote: (it being at the root of all evil and everything).

RogerOThornhill wrote:

Kyle Griffin ‏@kylegriffin1 29m29 minutes ago

And now @washingtonpost reports Sean Spicer is also registered to vote in two states:

Republicans are openly considering Donald Trump's 'emotional stability', says Carl Bernstein
'People are saying that his psyche is driving the news cycle'
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 48111.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
On Sky News, the Labour leader added: “I fully understand the pressures and issues that members are under, those who represent Leave constituencies and those who represent Remain constituencies. Labour is in the almost unique position of having MPs representing constituencies in both directions and very strongly in both directions.

“I say to everyone, unite around the important issues of jobs, economy, security, rights, justice, those issues, and we will frame that relationship with Europe in the future, outside Europe but in concert with friends, whether those countries are in the EU or outside the EU.

UK-US trade deal will have 'very small upsides' for Britain, says former Bank of England economist
Cutting tariffs would bring little benefit, economists say, because duties between the US and UK are already very low
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Willow904 wrote:Sorry Bonnylad, but I just couldn't thank you for that. The image is still etched on my eyeballs. Eek!!

AngryAsWell wrote:

RogerOThornhill wrote:

Kyle Griffin ‏@kylegriffin1 29m29 minutes ago

And now @washingtonpost reports Sean Spicer is also registered to vote in two states:

I read earlier that his daughter - Tiffany - is also registered in two states (AND campaigned for Democrats...)