Tuesday 7th February 2017

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:10 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:And here is Labour Press at 5pm putting out a statement from Starmer claiming a victory

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1569381 ... iament-and" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

buffoon.

There was an amendment on which seven fairly significant Tories voted with Labour. Others including Nicky Morgan probably abstained. What more do you expect Starmer to do?

Six Labour mavericks, none close to Corbyn, rebelled.

There is a parliamentary majority for Leave and you know it. Stomping around pretending it's all Starmer's fault or all Corbyn's fault looks childish or is trolling. I'm not sure which.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:13 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:And here is Labour Press at 5pm putting out a statement from Starmer claiming a victory

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1569381 ... iament-and" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

buffoon.
There was an amendment on which seven fairly significant Tories voted with Labour. Others including Nicky Morgan probably abstained. What more do you expect Starmer to do?

Six Labour mavericks, none close to Corbyn, rebelled.

There is a parliamentary majority for Leave and you know it. Stomping around pretending it's all Starmer's fault or all Corbyn's fault looks childish or is trolling. I'm not sure which.

I dunno what you are unsure about it's blatant trolling, and convulvolus' modus operandi .

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:15 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:And here is Labour Press at 5pm putting out a statement from Starmer claiming a victory

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1569381 ... iament-and" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

buffoon.

An hour before Nicky Morgan tweeted with incredulity about what Number 10 was doing.

I'd take care when bandying names like buffoon around

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:16 pm

Temulkar wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:As it happens in 2005, I was hospitalised with mumps. I would have voted for George Galloway if not. I'm glad I didn't.

Does this fit with your view of me as Blairite?

Tubby I really don't know why you are taking offence at my posts, Im not having a pop at you, simply putting the point across that if there is an election you will have a choice between May and Corbyn, who are you going to vote for?

Corbyn may stand down of course, but Labour isnt going to more to the centre, the membership as Hugo keeps pointing out has changed. People are going to face a hard choice, Im fortunate I don't have to as Im nnot in a marginal and my voting green wont harm NNia Grifffith, but if Plaid were to make headroads in Llanelli, I would hold my nose and vote for the woman, despite my incredibly low opinion of her - before and since she went into politics.

Because you did the pointed "you" up there.

I
The Tories came 4th here.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:18 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Temulkar wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:As it happens in 2005, I was hospitalised with mumps. I would have voted for George Galloway if not. I'm glad I didn't.

Does this fit with your view of me as Blairite?

Tubby I really don't know why you are taking offence at my posts, Im not having a pop at you, simply putting the point across that if there is an election you will have a choice between May and Corbyn, who are you going to vote for?

Corbyn may stand down of course, but Labour isnt going to more to the centre, the membership as Hugo keeps pointing out has changed. People are going to face a hard choice, Im fortunate I don't have to as Im nnot in a marginal and my voting green wont harm NNia Grifffith, but if Plaid were to make headroads in Llanelli, I would hold my nose and vote for the woman, despite my incredibly low opinion of her - before and since she went into politics.
Because you did the pointed "you" up there.

I
The Tories came 4th here.

Umm I was addressing you, I fail to see an insult in using the grammatically correct pronoun.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:20 pm

Obvious jelly,note the mention of lack of backbone.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:20 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:And here is Labour Press at 5pm putting out a statement from Starmer claiming a victory

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1569381 ... iament-and" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

buffoon.
There was an amendment on which seven fairly significant Tories voted with Labour. Others including Nicky Morgan probably abstained. What more do you expect Starmer to do?

Six Labour mavericks, none close to Corbyn, rebelled.

There is a parliamentary majority for Leave and you know it. Stomping around pretending it's all Starmer's fault or all Corbyn's fault looks childish or is trolling. I'm not sure which.

Not claim victory when there wasn't one?

Not drop an amendment when no concession had been made?

Not lie to me?

Let me again explain something about responsibility.

Say 3 men push your car over a cliff. 2 of the men on their own would have been sufficient to do it. Can any one of them say he wasn't responsible because it would have happened anyway?

If you voted Tory, can you say "what they do is nothing to do with me, they would have won anyway"?

Can an individual who votes for Brexit say that they have no responsibility because it would have happened anyway without their vote?

Can the Labour party impose a three line whip for a vote that when passed will inevitably lead to the hardest of hard brexits and then say "Nothing to do with us, all down to the Tories"?

In any event, there was a Commons majority to be campaigned for to try and secure membership of, not meaningless access to, the single market. Corbyn doesn't believe in the single market, anymore than he believes in the EU, and so didn't try.

Contempt is all Labour deserves on the most important issue of our generation. At least most of the Tories actually believe in the idiocy they are voting for.

Vote Green, don't make yourself complicit.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:21 pm

Though,doubling up in disquise as a fluffy rabbit.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:21 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:And here is Labour Press at 5pm putting out a statement from Starmer claiming a victory

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1569381 ... iament-and" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

buffoon.
An hour before Nicky Morgan tweeted with incredulity about what Number 10 was doing.

I'd take care when bandying names like buffoon around

yeah Nicky Morgan is an idiot. I didn't think Starmer was.

Not sure how that helps.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:22 pm

I make general point about Corbyn'dire ratings. You come back with something about me. Bizarre.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:24 pm

Hmm George Osborne abstained without permission from no 10. Admittedly he was the last person I would expect to develop a spine, but that is going to send Theresa into a rage.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:26 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:I make general point about Corbyn'dire ratings. You come back with something about me. Bizarre.

I responded to your post and I used the you, because it was yours. I am more than capable of being insulting when I want, but if you are taking offence at a pronoun then you really are a snowflake - see that was insulting.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:29 pm

Try replying to the general point then.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:30 pm

Blind date is coming back,I see quite a few potential contestants

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:30 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:And here is Labour Press at 5pm putting out a statement from Starmer claiming a victory

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1569381 ... iament-and" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

buffoon.
There was an amendment on which seven fairly significant Tories voted with Labour. Others including Nicky Morgan probably abstained. What more do you expect Starmer to do?

Six Labour mavericks, none close to Corbyn, rebelled.

There is a parliamentary majority for Leave and you know it. Stomping around pretending it's all Starmer's fault or all Corbyn's fault looks childish or is trolling. I'm not sure which.

Not claim victory when there wasn't one?

Not drop an amendment when no concession had been made?

Not lie to me?

Let me again explain something about responsibility.

Say 3 men push your car over a cliff. 2 of the men on their own would have been sufficient to do it. Can any one of them say he wasn't responsible because it would have happened anyway?

If you voted Tory, can you say "what they do is nothing to do with me, they would have won anyway"?

Can an individual who votes for Brexit say that they have no responsibility because it would have happened anyway without their vote?

Can the Labour party impose a three line whip for a vote that when passed will inevitably lead to the hardest of hard brexits and then say "Nothing to do with us, all down to the Tories"?

In any event, there was a Commons majority to be campaigned for to try and secure membership of, not meaningless access to, the single market. Corbyn doesn't believe in the single market, anymore than he believes in the EU, and so didn't try.

Contempt is all Labour deserves on the most important issue of our generation. At least most of the Tories actually believe in the idiocy they are voting for.

Vote Green, don't make yourself complicit.

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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:31 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... error-list" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Murdered backpacker's mother criticises Trump over 'terror' list

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:33 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:And here is Labour Press at 5pm putting out a statement from Starmer claiming a victory

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/1569381 ... iament-and" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

buffoon.
An hour before Nicky Morgan tweeted with incredulity about what Number 10 was doing.

I'd take care when bandying names like buffoon around

yeah Nicky Morgan is an idiot. I didn't think Starmer was.

Not sure how that helps.

Because the government were saying two different things at the same time. Both Starmer and Morgan were confused. I can evidence the latter with Morgan's tweet above. But hey they are a buffoon and an idiot respectively according to the greatest mind of our time

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:33 pm

If you don't want people to misjudge your tone, don't do like you did to me the other week. You kept calling me a liar, as I recall.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:35 pm

I've thought for a while that Osborne will be the one to topple Mayham, (and let me make it plain - I do not back or support him at all) I wonder if he's now going to go on full manoeuvres. The two saving graces would be
1) He will mitigate Brexit as far as possible, unlike May, he is very much in favour of the EU to the point he argued with Cameron against holding the referendum in the first place.
2) We can at least vote him out evenyually - unlike Brexit.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:37 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... ourt-hears" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UK minister ignored official warning over Saudi weapons exports, court hears
Sajid Javid refused to suspend exports despite advice that weapons could be used to illegally kill civilians in Yemen

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:38 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote: An hour before Nicky Morgan tweeted with incredulity about what Number 10 was doing.

I'd take care when bandying names like buffoon around

yeah Nicky Morgan is an idiot. I didn't think Starmer was.

Not sure how that helps.
Because the government were saying two different things at the same time. Both Starmer and Morgan were confused. I can evidence the latter with Morgan's tweet above. But hey they are a buffoon and an idiot respectively according to the greatest mind of our time

Nope, they really didn't. This was the quote from Jones

"First of all we intend that the vote will cover not only the withdrawal arrangements but also the future relationship with the European Union. Furthermore, I can confirm that the government will bring forward a motion on the final agreement to be approved by both Houses of Parliament before it is concluded, and we expect and intend that this happen before the European parliament debates and votes on the final agreement"

Nothing new in it. Exactly what the position was before and after.

Labour haven't got anything.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:38 pm

https://www.lgcplus.com/services/housin ... 60.article" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Right-to-buy could be extended to council company-built homes

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:41 pm

Jo Maugham QC ‏@JolyonMaugham 3h3 hours ago
More
1. Before the Government's 'concession' its position was 'support our deal or we're out'.
2. After the Government's 'concession' its position is 'support our deal or we're out'.
3. Not quite clear what Labour thinks it has achieved (save that it's always nice to be pleased with yourself).
4. The Government's position is unchanged. And so is the reality. Both pre- and post 'concession' Parliament can vote on what it wants.
5. If either (a) the r27 agree (unlikely, imo) or (b) A50 is unilaterally revocable, and Parliament wants to remain it can.
6. And Parliament will want to remain if the people do. What we can't know, in a fast changing world, is whether two years hence they will
7. But what we can know is that the Government has sold a nonsense which the Opposition has wittingly bought. That ought to make us ashamed.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:41 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:I've thought for a while that Osborne will be the one to topple Mayham, (and let me make it plain - I do not back or support him at all) I wonder if he's now going to go on full manoeuvres. The two saving graces would be
1) He will mitigate Brexit as far as possible, unlike May, he is very much in favour of the EU to the point he argued with Cameron against holding the referendum in the first place.
2) We can at least vote him out evenyually - unlike Brexit.

The time for Osborne will be after Brexit has proven a disaster and the Tories want someone who (semi-)opposed it. He is still young and can wait for her to go. I expect he will be PM one day. He isn't an idiot Osborne. the way he used the deficit as an excuse to cut the size of the state was a masterclass in politics (disastrous in substance as it was).

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:41 pm

"Nobody is going to believe Jez would have done a better job negotiating."

That was your general point - and the third post you directed at me, and I responded with an 'and?' because I consider it irrelevant.

May I also point out that I had made posts further up thread where I did not use the personal pronoun, because it was not directed at anyone personally, but when you responded and I respond back, then there is a clear grammatical rule which requires a fucking YOU.

Temulkar · Post by **Temulkar** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:46 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:If you don't want people to misjudge your tone, don't do like you did to me the other week. You kept calling me a liar, as I recall.

Liar or stupid I think the phrase was, with your choice added. You still haven't told me what your choice is, so its a bit like Schrödinger's cat where you are in a permanent state of flux between stupid and a liar at the moment.

Although given your propensity to take offence at pronouns Im leaning towards the former.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:46 pm

Would be grateful for no youtube/image link of fucking ewes.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:50 pm

Glen O'Hara
‏@gsoh31

This is Labour Conference's democratically-decided policy on #Brexit. Bears zero resemblance to the Party in Parliament's 'tactics' today.

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Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:50 pm

@Hugo

Maybe John Crace can help you understand

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ything-but" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

government-concedes-that-brexit-concession-is-anything-but

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:51 pm

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/econ ... -1.2966900" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Paul Krugman: Trump’s economic policy is about screwing the little guy
Reforms such as Dodd-Frank serve people not corporations. These are being reversed

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:53 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:I've thought for a while that Osborne will be the one to topple Mayham, (and let me make it plain - I do not back or support him at all) I wonder if he's now going to go on full manoeuvres. The two saving graces would be
1) He will mitigate Brexit as far as possible, unlike May, he is very much in favour of the EU to the point he argued with Cameron against holding the referendum in the first place.
2) We can at least vote him out evenyually - unlike Brexit.

His move likely was done for attention, he wants leadership. Osborne will never do anything good for the UK or for most people. Ever. His Chancellorship was ugly, the money his austerity budgets took out of the real economy is felt now, lived now. People are dead because of his Tory economic budget-cutting. His arrogance, the look on his face when justly rung up for his brutal cuts was sickening to me, he literally sneered. He never conceded he failed and failed some more after making all kinds of lofty promises. Those budget cuts just had to be happen, Osborne said. He failed and failed some more. People are dead, made redundant, the NHS is limping, local authorities are getting blamed for budget cuts he personally signed his name to. He always intends someone else to pay for his mistakes, his lies, his profiteering trust-funded aristocratic titled life. He went on vacation, gave talks worth a lot of money to someone and came back just in time for his gesture abstention. I've got a personal problem with George Osborne. I'm aware my anger with him hurts me, disturbs peace.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:54 pm

Here is the Labour September 2016 Conference Resolution on Brexit

"Unless the final settlement proves to be acceptable, then the option of retaining EU membership should be retained. The final settlement should therefore be subject to approval, through Parliament and potentially through a general election or referendum"

I agree.

Shame the MPs don't.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:55 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Glen O'Hara
‏@gsoh31

This is Labour Conference's democratically-decided policy on #Brexit. Bears zero resemblance to the Party in Parliament's 'tactics' today.

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Exactly. I despair. What in the world is happening.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 8:56 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@Hugo

Maybe John Crace can help you understand

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ything-but" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

government-concedes-that-brexit-concession-is-anything-but

"Starmer is a lovely, decent man but he’s not necessarily the lawyer you’d want fighting your cause."

Yeah, I thought that was quite good.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 9:03 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:@Hugo

Maybe John Crace can help you understand

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ything-but" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

government-concedes-that-brexit-concession-is-anything-but

Tory government are so awful
Today was awful
There's nothing they won't do for power, anything for personal power alone
People rights, protection of people and land = negotiable units

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 9:04 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... -wifes-pay" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

French presidential contender François Fillon faces fresh claims over wife's pay

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 9:08 pm

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China may still be using executed prisoners' organs, official admits
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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 9:10 pm

Eddie Hitler

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... f-the-past" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 9:11 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Because the government were saying two different things at the same time. Both Starmer and Morgan were confused. I can evidence the latter with Morgan's tweet above. But hey they are a buffoon and an idiot respectively according to the greatest mind of our time

Yes. I was genuinely astonished at government's games today. I couldn't believe they'd be so rude, so obviously conniving.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 9:15 pm

https://leftfootforward.org/2017/02/ips ... was-bogus/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

IPSO rules Daily Express ’98 per cent’ Brexit poll was bogus

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 9:17 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... umps-hands" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Bernardi bets on wave of destruction but future of rightwing populism is in Trump’s hands

Malcolm Turnbull is facing a one-man existential crisis but the US will decide whether the political class is defeated or rises again

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 9:17 pm

citizenJA wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:I've thought for a while that Osborne will be the one to topple Mayham, (and let me make it plain - I do not back or support him at all) I wonder if he's now going to go on full manoeuvres. The two saving graces would be
1) He will mitigate Brexit as far as possible, unlike May, he is very much in favour of the EU to the point he argued with Cameron against holding the referendum in the first place.
2) We can at least vote him out evenyually - unlike Brexit.
His move likely was done for attention, he wants leadership. Osborne will never do anything good for the UK or for most people. Ever. His Chancellorship was ugly, the money his austerity budgets took out of the real economy is felt now, lived now. People are dead because of his Tory economic budget-cutting. His arrogance, the look on his face when justly rung up for his brutal cuts was sickening to me, he literally sneered. He never conceded he failed and failed some more after making all kinds of lofty promises. Those budget cuts just had to be happen, Osborne said. He failed and failed some more. People are dead, made redundant, the NHS is limping, local authorities are getting blamed for budget cuts he personally signed his name to. He always intends someone else to pay for his mistakes, his lies, his profiteering trust-funded aristocratic titled life. He went on vacation, gave talks worth a lot of money to someone and came back just in time for his gesture abstention. I've got a personal problem with George Osborne. I'm aware my anger with him hurts me, disturbs peace.

Agree with everything you say.
But when Brexit starts dissolving around May's head - and it will - the Tory's, ever ruthless with their leaders will get rid of her and I just think Osborne will be ready and waiting to jump on the throne. Who else have they got? Word on the street is always about how Labour don't have any potential leaders, but no one seems to notice that the tory's are a bit thin on the ground potential leadership wise as well.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 9:17 pm

I wasn't expecting the smallness, the feeble word trickery, from government. I completely understand Starmer's (and others') confusion.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 9:18 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... rock-sioux" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Dakota Access pipeline: final phase to be approved in major blow to Standing Rock Sioux
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HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 9:20 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... te-cartoon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Steve Bell on Theresa May and the Brexit debate

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 9:21 pm

HindleA wrote:Eddie Hitler

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... f-the-past" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ukip leader is confident of winning Stoke byelection and aims to increase party’s appeal to women and working classes"
Hence the working man-flat-cap-&-whippet re image, next he'll be telling us he has a pigeon loft.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 9:22 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:I've thought for a while that Osborne will be the one to topple Mayham, (and let me make it plain - I do not back or support him at all) I wonder if he's now going to go on full manoeuvres. The two saving graces would be
1) He will mitigate Brexit as far as possible, unlike May, he is very much in favour of the EU to the point he argued with Cameron against holding the referendum in the first place.
2) We can at least vote him out evenyually - unlike Brexit.
His move likely was done for attention, he wants leadership. Osborne will never do anything good for the UK or for most people. Ever. His Chancellorship was ugly, the money his austerity budgets took out of the real economy is felt now, lived now. People are dead because of his Tory economic budget-cutting. His arrogance, the look on his face when justly rung up for his brutal cuts was sickening to me, he literally sneered. He never conceded he failed and failed some more after making all kinds of lofty promises. Those budget cuts just had to be happen, Osborne said. He failed and failed some more. People are dead, made redundant, the NHS is limping, local authorities are getting blamed for budget cuts he personally signed his name to. He always intends someone else to pay for his mistakes, his lies, his profiteering trust-funded aristocratic titled life. He went on vacation, gave talks worth a lot of money to someone and came back just in time for his gesture abstention. I've got a personal problem with George Osborne. I'm aware my anger with him hurts me, disturbs peace.
Agree with everything you say.
But when Brexit starts dissolving around May's head - and it will - the Tory's, ever ruthless with their leaders will get rid of her and I just think Osborne will be ready and waiting to jump on the throne. Who else have they got? Word on the street is always about how Labour don't have any potential leaders, but no one seems to notice that the tory's are a bit thin on the ground potential leadership wise as well.

Good point! Tories haven't got talent. Recall May installed as Tory leader because she was tolerable compared to the bullies who'd crashed (remain and leave) around her. Of course, she was always part of that front bench, I never forgot that. But yes. She was the only one the country wouldn't collectively break down over.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 9:26 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:
HindleA wrote:Eddie Hitler

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... f-the-past" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Ukip leader is confident of winning Stoke byelection and aims to increase party’s appeal to women and working classes"
Hence the working man-flat-cap-&-whippet re image, next he'll be telling us he has a pigeon loft.

What'd I write the other day? Every picture shows a changing character this guy, attempting less unpleasant.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 9:26 pm

I have ancestral flatcaps going back to the '50's.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 07 Feb, 2017 9:28 pm

No pigeons or whippets.