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AnatolyKasparov wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote:

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Looks like the CDU have done quite a bit worse in the German elections than was predicted.

Dreadful performance for the SPD but that *was* expected. They are already briefing they will go into opposition, which frankly can't happen too soon.

Populists offeriing solutions in crayon on the march everywhere, even in Germany.

Blaming the electorate isn't going to work any better for your tendency now than it did for the left in the 1980s.

"Except there was no race to succeed May. Instead, her moribund government was spared immediate extinction by a collective act of self-hypnosis. Precisely when they most needed to act with resolve, Tory MPs were paralysed by the scale of what had happened, by a curious mix of arrogance and self-loathing, and by a terror that the further upheaval of a leadership contest might hasten Jeremy Corbyn’s passage to No 10."

"This is a Momentum and Campaign For Labour Democracy stitch up," Labour MP for Edinburgh South Ian Murray told BuzzFeed News. "They talk about party democracy but stop the debate on the biggest issue our country has faced in generations."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/thes ... .maLq6Ypdq" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 wrote:

"This is a Momentum and Campaign For Labour Democracy stitch up," Labour MP for Edinburgh South Ian Murray told BuzzFeed News. "They talk about party democracy but stop the debate on the biggest issue our country has faced in generations."
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/thes ... .maLq6Ypdq" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Anti-fascist protesters flood Berlin streets as far-right celebrates historic election result
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 65041.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sadiq Khan has accused Donald Trump of adopting language similar to that used by Islamic State when he suggested a “total and complete shutdown” of US borders to Muslims.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... milar-isis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"...Monty Python Presents Brexit. Christ Jesus, we even have a leadership hopeful named Rees-Mogg. It's like a Lewis Carol poem."

- AaronClausen

tinyclanger2 wrote:

Sadiq Khan has accused Donald Trump of adopting language similar to that used by Islamic State when he suggested a “total and complete shutdown” of US borders to Muslims.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... milar-isis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor wrote:Night night.

Therefore, by not having a kid you could be saving the planet.
https://www.indy100.com/article/worst-d ... paign=i100" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA wrote:Hi Eric

howsillyofme1 wrote:...In the end we need to enthuse people about the final deal...

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/edi ... 64676.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
His fear that the internal market could prevent a Labour government pursuing policies on state aid, and renationalisation sounds like a throwback to the idea of “socialism in one country”, which would be impossible to achieve in today’s interconnected world.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... ry-fantasy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Lexiteers claim exactly this. That the EU would prevent Labour from renationalising, under its rules favouring the private sector. The argument quickly becomes technical and clearly there are ways that EU membership restricts a government’s freedom of action. But it does not prevent the exercise of all self-interested national economic measures.

In July, to take the most immediate example, the still fresh President Macron nationalised shipyards about to be taken over by an Italian bidder.

The Florence speech was meant, at least, to secure a measure of cabinet unity and has failed even in that respect. But the greater absurdity is that senior Tories are now squabbling semi-publicly as though it is they, rather than the EU 27, who will primarily dictate the form, cost and timescale of Brexit. Jorge Luis Borges famously described the Falklands war as two bald men fighting over a comb. Hammond and Johnson are two bald men arguing over a comb that belongs to somebody else.

howsillyofme1 wrote: My bet is still that Ireland will be the subject that will force the hands of the parties - and there is no solution to Ireland that does not involve a very close ongoing relationship with the EU.....and I think Labour will go for that in the end

HindleA wrote:Here's a review from last year:-

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2016/ ... och-powell" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gilsey wrote:

howsillyofme1 wrote: My bet is still that Ireland will be the subject that will force the hands of the parties - and there is no solution to Ireland that does not involve a very close ongoing relationship with the EU.....and I think Labour will go for that in the end

This.

I don't really know why Labour aren't picking away at this, because in the end tory brexit will unravel over it. That could be sooner rather than later if attention was dragged away from money and citizens rights - those things are very important but solvable within the tory party in the end. Why not talk about the insoluble issue first instead of wasting time.