Saturday 3rd October & Sunday 4th October 2015

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:05 pm

Ah, suddenly . . .

Libby Wiener
✔
@LibbyWienerITV

Are Tories worried over fallout from tax credit cuts? Osborne won't say - and PM's adviser Craig Oliver storms off #toryconference @itvnews
1:13 PM - 4 Oct 2015

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4 (Politics Live, Guardian)

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:10 pm

That's the spirit.

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TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:14 pm

Well it was good enough for Miliband [youtube]yZB8_RMwFfI[/youtube]

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:16 pm

HindleA wrote:Yes,we usually gave most away,just thinking out loud as to expanding my culinary inexpertise.

A new skill. As long as you don't mind washing up.....

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:20 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:Well it was good enough for Miliband [youtube]yZB8_RMwFfI[/youtube]

Sorry, but I am reminded of my dad's scathing remarks when seeing [[especially young] Tories like this.

Chinless wonders. Inbred.

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:21 pm

HindleA wrote:England only ever win the World Cup under a Labour Government,the voters have a lot to answer for.
I have a glut of tomatoes(different sizes,varieties,I think they are tomatoes,some are rather large))any recipies,ideas(keep it clean please)what to do with them,beyond "on toast"would be appreciated.

Alternative roasting method to rr's above, skin and core the toms first, then there's no need to sieve. Dip in boiling water for 10-20 secs and the skins come off homegrown ones easily.
Once roasted either way, can be frozen in suitable portions.

I have it on good authority that you can freeze them uncooked, if you want to use them for cooking later. I haven't tried it.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:27 pm

I don't like tomatoes under any circumstance so I'm not much help I'm afraid.
I have to hold my nose if I'm using them in a recipe for Mr Ohso....

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:30 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:That's the spirit.
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Thank you. That's made my day. Snooty little prats with supercilious smiles on their faces. Haven't a bloody clue about what's going on around them. Cosseted from the day they were born...Hope they remember today for the rest of their lives.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:30 pm

Jon Stone ✔ @joncstone
A Tory in a blue tie, lanyard and suit laughing at the protest from behind a police cordon just got egged in the face

It's hard not to feel sorry for the egg. (I know, I know - we're not supposed to condone such disgraceful behaviour ... but still).

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:33 pm

Alan Travis ‏@alantravis40 2 mins2 minutes ago

Texas scheme of investing in probation to cut incarceration rates by 12% behind Gove jail revolution, says Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Gove.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:39 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
TobyLatimer wrote:That's the spirit.
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Thank you. That's made my day. Snooty little prats with supercilious smiles on their faces. Haven't a bloody clue about what's going on around them. Cosseted from the day they were born...Hope they remember today for the rest of their lives.

This pic from Cam's schooldays has that effect on me. Probably all by now CEO's or 'captains of daddy's industry' arms dealers etc.
The one sat directly in front of Cameron looks like a Harry Enfield stereotype character.

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gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:40 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Libby Wiener ‏@LibbyWienerITV 7m7 minutes ago
Are Tories worried over fallout from tax credit cuts? Osborne won't say - and PM's adviser Craig Oliver storms off #toryconference @itvnews
Labour needs some short sharp messaging over these cuts - and should be making sure they get heard. The Tories are in a very weak position re this ... there will have to be some kind of back track.

Why wouldn't this be as bad for the tories as the poll tax was?

Serious question.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:44 pm

Ben Whittingham
‏@BenWhittingham2
Just a police Sniper on roof of tory party conference, which resembles a prison

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rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:44 pm

Isabel Hardman ‏@IsabelHardman 16m16 minutes ago
Average age of membership is rising and number of members flatlining says Feldman. Says most members in safe seats.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:48 pm

gilsey wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Libby Wiener ‏@LibbyWienerITV 7m7 minutes ago
Are Tories worried over fallout from tax credit cuts? Osborne won't say - and PM's adviser Craig Oliver storms off #toryconference @itvnews
Labour needs some short sharp messaging over these cuts - and should be making sure they get heard. The Tories are in a very weak position re this ... there will have to be some kind of back track.
Why wouldn't this be as bad for the tories as the poll tax was?

Serious question.

Some commentators have said it could be, gilsey.

I suppose one reason it might not is that the poll tax hit everybody - this won't - although it's still a large number of people - 3.2 million I think I saw is the number who will be adversely affected.

I do expect the Tories to do something to try and mitigate the damage ... they just won't say they are doing anything. Osborne really really wants to be leader and doesn't want to admit to any crap policy making - nothing can tarnish his new slimline, Chancellor for the working people complete with glottal stop gonna's image.

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:50 pm

gilsey wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Libby Wiener ‏@LibbyWienerITV 7m7 minutes ago
Are Tories worried over fallout from tax credit cuts? Osborne won't say - and PM's adviser Craig Oliver storms off #toryconference @itvnews
Labour needs some short sharp messaging over these cuts - and should be making sure they get heard. The Tories are in a very weak position re this ... there will have to be some kind of back track.
Why wouldn't this be as bad for the tories as the poll tax was?

Serious question.

People in general have been brainwashed that benefits are evil, divide & rule has worked, or that many can't be bothered in what they see as futile protest. There isn't the same reactionary opposition as there used to be, even if there was I don't think the Tories wouldn't give a monkeys.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 2:56 pm

TobyLatimer wrote:
gilsey wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote: Labour needs some short sharp messaging over these cuts - and should be making sure they get heard. The Tories are in a very weak position re this ... there will have to be some kind of back track.
Why wouldn't this be as bad for the tories as the poll tax was?

Serious question.

I remember the Poll tax nearly killed my business. And it never properly recovered.

It's pretty horrible to comtemplate but I suspect many smaller businesses will fail, and there'll be a general drop in takings in the bigger stores, but it'll never get blamed on money being taken from the lower order's pockets...

Expect to see the normal excuses.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 3:02 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
gilsey wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote: Labour needs some short sharp messaging over these cuts - and should be making sure they get heard. The Tories are in a very weak position re this ... there will have to be some kind of back track.
Why wouldn't this be as bad for the tories as the poll tax was?

Serious question.
Some commentators have said it could be, gilsey.

I suppose one reason it might not is that the poll tax hit everybody - this won't - although it's still a large number of people - 3.2 million I think I saw is the number who will be adversely affected.

I do expect the Tories to do something to try and mitigate the damage ... they just won't say they are doing anything. Osborne really really wants to be leader and doesn't want to admit to any crap policy making - nothing can tarnish his new slimline, Chancellor for the working people complete with glottal stop gonna's image.

I don't know about the poll tax hitting every body. It did in a way in that we were taxed per person over 18 in each household.
However, it was crippling for someone like us with two children in that bracket and on barely miniumum wages, but wasn't a fraction as bad for the equivalent family living in a London Mansion. Or the couple in the posh semi.....

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 3:08 pm

gilsey wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Libby Wiener ‏@LibbyWienerITV 7m7 minutes ago
Are Tories worried over fallout from tax credit cuts? Osborne won't say - and PM's adviser Craig Oliver storms off #toryconference @itvnews
Labour needs some short sharp messaging over these cuts - and should be making sure they get heard. The Tories are in a very weak position re this ... there will have to be some kind of back track.
Why wouldn't this be as bad for the tories as the poll tax was?

Serious question.

Certainly has the potential to be to Cameron what scrapping the 10p tax band was to Brown, methinks.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 3:12 pm

It's all very bellicose, militaristic and all that in the Manchester conference hall. Understandable from Michael Fallon - but so far, it's all been like it. I wonder if this is going to be the overall tone - or it it just this section (I'm only half paying attention, you might have gathered)? Everyone's out to get us, it seems.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 3:16 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
citizenJA wrote:The huge crowd of people wanting to express disapproval of Tory government aren't allowed near the completely fenced off building Tories are occupying. Mr. citizen cannot confirm that snipers are poised on rooftops protecting Tory overlords in Manchester.
As long as he's safe.

My thoughts exactly.

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 3:20 pm

James Kirkup ‏@jameskirkup 5m5 minutes ago
George Osborne's tax credit problem is dishonesty, not cruelty | via @Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... uelty.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Pretty accurate summary of the situation IMO ... sadly a lot of people will accept the Tory insistence that 'welfare' must be cut.
Hope he is right about that they won't wear the dishonesty though ...

... Mr Osborne’s problem with tax credits is that he looks like a man who thinks he can take voters for fools. Who thinks he can tell the country he’s helping low-paid workers when his policies actually leave them worse off.
When the Chancellor presented his tax credit cuts, he also announced his living wage, and proclaimed himself the champion of low-paid workers. It was “a Budget for working people,” he said.
The Government is sticking to that rhetoric, hence Mr Cameron's denial of reality on the Marr show. But unless something gives on tax credits, that means there’s trouble ahead, and especially for Mr Osborne.
Voters are realistic. They accepted austerity policies and the consequent pain in the national interest - then rewarded the party they believed had been honest about that necessity. If you tell them cutting cuts that make poor workers poorer is also a necessary evil, they will probably accept that – or at least, enough of them will accept that for the Conservatives to remain afloat and ahead.
But making poor workers worse off while insisting you’re helping them? That’s a different matter...

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 3:21 pm

norman smith ‏@BBCNormanS 30m30 minutes ago
We stand by our claim that most people will be worse off from cuts to tax credits - say @TheIFS

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 3:23 pm

Thankfully, there now seems to be a period of prolonged silence . . . .

rebeccariots2 · Post by **rebeccariots2** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 3:24 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
gilsey wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote: Labour needs some short sharp messaging over these cuts - and should be making sure they get heard. The Tories are in a very weak position re this ... there will have to be some kind of back track.
Why wouldn't this be as bad for the tories as the poll tax was?

Serious question.
Certainly has the potential to be to Cameron what scrapping the 10p tax band was to Brown, methinks.

Apparently he's not really bothered ... he's very relaxed ... already in post PM mode and making jokes about the tricky stuff he's leaving behind for his successor. Labour and the other opposition parties have to make sure they stick this one on Osborne - and hard.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 3:39 pm

ohsocynical wrote: Sorry, but I am reminded of my dad's scathing remarks when seeing [[especially young] Tories like this.

Chinless wonders. Inbred.

What were they doing, those two in the video?
They didn't say anything or look as though they wanted to say anything.
They didn't look as though they wanted to go somewhere, they just stood there looking like a couple of actors playing a part, in my opinion.

Ed Miliband handled an egg thrown on him in London a couple years ago beautifully.
Wonderful grace and smile.
Didn't have or need police escort either.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 3:46 pm

Jeepers, off-topic, I know, but did we see this? Today's news.

Nineteen people are feared dead after violent storms and severe flooding swept the French Riviera, including three people who drowned in a retirement home after a river broke its banks.

Heavy flooding along the Côte d’Azur on Saturday saw the river Brague burst its banks close to the city of Antibes, flooding a home for elderly people.

The French president, François Hollande, confirmed at least 16 people had died and three were missing. The interior ministry said earlier in the morning there was little hope of finding the missing people alive.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/o ... eople-dead

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 3:54 pm

Car emissions test body receives 70% of cash from motor industry
Vehicle Certification Agency accused of a conflict of interest after VW scandal
4 October 2015

"The body examining the practices of the car industry following the Volkswagen emissions scandal has been accused of a major conflict of interest after it emerged that nearly three quarters of its funding comes from the companies it is investigating.

According to its latest annual report, the Vehicle Certification Agency receives 69.91% of its income from car manufacturers, who pay it to certify that their vehicles are meeting emissions and safety standards.

The transport secretary, Patrick McLoughlin, said last month that the VCA, which also receives government funding, would be responsible for re-running tests on a variety of makes of diesel cars and investigating their real-world emissions."

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... accusation

We must have responsible governance and regulatory bodies.
This isn't working here, it's scandalous and I don't notice appropriate authority taking action here.
I hope I'm simply not well enough informed and criminal conduct and conflicts of interests are being resolved.
Any information anyone can give me to help is welcome.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:10 pm

PorFavor wrote:It's all very bellicose, militaristic and all that in the Manchester conference hall. Understandable from Michael Fallon - but so far, it's all been like it. I wonder if this is going to be the overall tone - or it it just this section (I'm only half paying attention, you might have gathered)? Everyone's out to get us, it seems.

Mmm. Fortress Tories. Not sure everybody is out to get them, but 90% are....

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:12 pm

The Vehicle Certification Agency (VCA) is the regulatory body ensuring products meet safety regulations the automotive industry produces. The automotive industry provides most of the funding to this regulatory agency. Patrick McLoughlin, Tory MP and transport secretary for current government, has asked this agency receiving it's income from the automotive industry to re-test the diesels. The agency didn't catch the problems the first time. No relationship or funding changes have taken place between regulator and regulated. What in the world good does it do to have the same agency re-test vehicles?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:15 pm

I have no doubt Osborne will be the next PM.
I also have no doubt that if he's dabbling in the white stuff, he'll feel invincible so there's little chance of him changing his stance....

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:28 pm

Enlightened self-interest can't be relied upon to ensure compliances protecting safety of people and land.
I wouldn't have ever dreamed VW would've resorted to long-term, dangerous, deliberately criminal, manufacture of prohibited components.
These people have children and like to breathe clean air too, you know?
What were they thinking?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:28 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Alan Travis ‏@alantravis40 2 mins2 minutes ago

scheme of investing in probation to cut incarceration rates by 12% behind Gove jail revolution, says Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Gove.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Texas would be starting from a much higher level, so I'm sceptical.

Grayling wrecked Probation.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:29 pm

Katie McGarvey ‏@KatieKhaleesi 5 hrs5 hours ago

Whoever's programmed Sajid Javid might want to include a blinking function.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:29 pm

ohsocynical wrote:I have no doubt Osborne will be the next PM.
I also have no doubt that if he's dabbling in the white stuff, he'll feel invincible so there's little chance of him changing his stance....

PM of which country, Ohso?

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:30 pm

citizenJA wrote:
Car emissions test body receives 70% of cash from motor industry
Vehicle Certification Agency accused of a conflict of interest after VW scandal
4 October 2015

"The body examining the practices of the car industry following the Volkswagen emissions scandal has been accused of a major conflict of interest after it emerged that nearly three quarters of its funding comes from the companies it is investigating.

According to its latest annual report, the Vehicle Certification Agency receives 69.91% of its income from car manufacturers, who pay it to certify that their vehicles are meeting emissions and safety standards.

The transport secretary, Patrick McLoughlin, said last month that the VCA, which also receives government funding, would be responsible for re-running tests on a variety of makes of diesel cars and investigating their real-world emissions."

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... accusation
We must have responsible governance and regulatory bodies.
This isn't working here, it's scandalous and I don't notice appropriate authority taking action here.
I hope I'm simply not well enough informed and criminal conduct and conflicts of interests are being resolved.
Any information anyone can give me to help is welcome.

I imagine the body is funded by compulsory levies on industry.

If so, that's not really a conflict of interest.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:31 pm

citizenJA wrote:Enlightened self-interest can't be relied upon to ensure compliances protecting safety of people and land.
I wouldn't have ever dreamed VW would've resorted to long-term, dangerous, deliberately criminal, manufacture of prohibited components.
These people have children and like to breathe clean air too, you know?
What were they thinking?

They don't think CJ. All they see is profits which leads to promotion and lots and lots of lovely money...Greed pure and simple.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:34 pm

citizenJA wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:I have no doubt Osborne will be the next PM.
I also have no doubt that if he's dabbling in the white stuff, he'll feel invincible so there's little chance of him changing his stance....
PM of which country, Ohso?

It was once Great Britain, but I think we lost the Great. Or you could call us the UK, except it'll shortly just be Kingdom because we're certainly not united any more.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:36 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:Alan Travis ‏@alantravis40 2 mins2 minutes ago

scheme of investing in probation to cut incarceration rates by 12% behind Gove jail revolution, says Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Gove.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Texas would be starting from a much higher level, so I'm sceptical.

Grayling wrecked Probation.

Hah. If it's American we're having it.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:40 pm

PorFavor wrote:It's all very bellicose, militaristic and all that in the Manchester conference hall. Understandable from Michael Fallon - but so far, it's all been like it. I wonder if this is going to be the overall tone - or it it just this section (I'm only half paying attention, you might have gathered)? Everyone's out to get us, it seems.

They're lucky they didn't promise an EU referendum or anything. If the public picked up that vibe, they'd vote to leave the EU which the government doesn't want to do.

Oh hang on!

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:46 pm

rebeccariots2 wrote:
Libby Wiener ‏@LibbyWienerITV 7m7 minutes ago
Are Tories worried over fallout from tax credit cuts? Osborne won't say - and PM's adviser Craig Oliver storms off #toryconference @itvnews
Labour needs some short sharp messaging over these cuts - and should be making sure they get heard. The Tories are in a very weak position re this ... there will have to be some kind of back track.

This is one of my frustrations with the leadership election. Sure, it's great to have Trident queried but if Cooper had won, she'd be hammering away at tax credits.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:47 pm

Gracie Samuels-Pleb ‏@GracieSamuels 31m31 minutes ago

@BBCNormanS @imthenicenurse NO the police have just said it's about 100,000. Report the news Norman don't make it!

More than we thought!

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:49 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Libby Wiener ‏@LibbyWienerITV 7m7 minutes ago
Are Tories worried over fallout from tax credit cuts? Osborne won't say - and PM's adviser Craig Oliver storms off #toryconference @itvnews
Labour needs some short sharp messaging over these cuts - and should be making sure they get heard. The Tories are in a very weak position re this ... there will have to be some kind of back track.
This is one of my frustrations with the leadership election. Sure, it's great to have Trident queried but if Cooper had won, she'd be hammering away at tax credits.

And if the Blairites hadn't wanted Cooper to win, we'd be arguing about Trident....

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:50 pm

gilsey wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:
Libby Wiener ‏@LibbyWienerITV 7m7 minutes ago
Are Tories worried over fallout from tax credit cuts? Osborne won't say - and PM's adviser Craig Oliver storms off #toryconference @itvnews
Labour needs some short sharp messaging over these cuts - and should be making sure they get heard. The Tories are in a very weak position re this ... there will have to be some kind of back track.
Why wouldn't this be as bad for the tories as the poll tax was?

Serious question.

Nothing can be that bad.

Part of the trouble was that local government spending all across the board was higher than they seemed to expect. So the excuse of "look, it's high spending Labour councils!" didn't really work. Especially with the Tories being strong in local government. Even after the disastrous 1990 local elections, they still had more councillors than Labour.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Ki ... ions,_1990" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 4:51 pm

LadyCentauria wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:WATO interview with Justine Greening on the tax credit cuts ... me gnashing teeth. She's just spouting that a 'typical family will be £2,400 a year better off'. That's it ... that's all she's really prepared to say. 'Typical family' - that's really what they are going to hide behind?
That and, "Eight out of ten typical families will be better off!"
Yeah, Justine, but two out of ten will be worse off and that's two-tenths to many for me...

So how many out of 10 were worse off when Brown made those changes including abolishing the 10p rate?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 5:11 pm

A planned cocktail party for the Conservative Party at Chancellors Hotel has been cancelled after students announce plans to protest against the event

http://mancunion.com/2015/10/02/tory-co ... e-protest/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 5:17 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
LadyCentauria wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote:WATO interview with Justine Greening on the tax credit cuts ... me gnashing teeth. She's just spouting that a 'typical family will be £2,400 a year better off'. That's it ... that's all she's really prepared to say. 'Typical family' - that's really what they are going to hide behind?
That and, "Eight out of ten typical families will be better off!"
Yeah, Justine, but two out of ten will be worse off and that's two-tenths to many for me...
So how many out of 10 were worse off when Brown made those changes including abolishing the 10p rate?

I don't know the answer but I'd guess it was fewer, and it was only worth £200 a year, wasn't it? A bit less than £1350.
Brown's mistake was introducing the 10p rate, not abolishing it. Unlike some here, I wasn't a fan of GB as chancellor.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 5:18 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Alan Travis ‏@alantravis40 2 mins2 minutes ago

Texas scheme of investing in probation to cut incarceration rates by 12% behind Gove jail revolution, says Telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -Gove.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What Gove means is throwing handfuls of money at private companies to provide probation services, not investing in a public sector service.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 5:25 pm

ohsocynical wrote:A planned cocktail party for the Conservative Party at Chancellors Hotel has been cancelled after students announce plans to protest against the event

http://mancunion.com/2015/10/02/tory-co ... e-protest/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I bet egg nog's off the menu too

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 04 Oct, 2015 5:25 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
Car emissions test body receives 70% of cash from motor industry
Vehicle Certification Agency accused of a conflict of interest after VW scandal
4 October 2015

"The body examining the practices of the car industry following the Volkswagen emissions scandal has been accused of a major conflict of interest after it emerged that nearly three quarters of its funding comes from the companies it is investigating.

According to its latest annual report, the Vehicle Certification Agency receives 69.91% of its income from car manufacturers, who pay it to certify that their vehicles are meeting emissions and safety standards.

The transport secretary, Patrick McLoughlin, said last month that the VCA, which also receives government funding, would be responsible for re-running tests on a variety of makes of diesel cars and investigating their real-world emissions."

http://www.theguardian.com/business/201 ... accusation
We must have responsible governance and regulatory bodies.
This isn't working here, it's scandalous and I don't notice appropriate authority taking action here.
I hope I'm simply not well enough informed and criminal conduct and conflicts of interests are being resolved.
Any information anyone can give me to help is welcome.
I imagine the body is funded by compulsory levies on industry.

If so, that's not really a conflict of interest.

"A Department for Transport spokesman said: “To help provide value for taxpayers, the VCA cover their operating costs by charging manufacturers for the services they provide. This is the case with many regulators, including the ORR. Whilst the VCA charges the industry for its services, its governance framework is set by Government.”'

We've got conflict of interest problems here, Tubby Isaacs.