Saturday 18th & Sunday 19th April 2015

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 11:53 am

ohsocynical wrote:
General Election 2015: Nigel Farage is on course to lose South Thanet election after experts predict Ukip wipeout
and the party is expected to lose half its seats in the upcoming general, experts have predicted.

The website, has said not only will Farage fail to wrestle the Kent seat away from the Tories, Tory defector Mark Reckless will lose his seat in Rochester and Stroud. That will only leave Douglas Carswell hanging on in Clacton-On-Sea.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 87516.html

This is one of my worries. UKIP are so ridiculous that they will fail to split the right.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 11:55 am

ohsocynical wrote:
General Election 2015: Nigel Farage is on course to lose South Thanet election after experts predict Ukip wipeout
and the party is expected to lose half its seats in the upcoming general, experts have predicted.

The website, has said not only will Farage fail to wrestle the Kent seat away from the Tories, Tory defector Mark Reckless will lose his seat in Rochester and Stroud. That will only leave Douglas Carswell hanging on in Clacton-On-Sea.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 87516.html

A Labour win and UKIP in pieces would, in Voltaire's words be, the best of all possible worlds...

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 11:55 am

Just put my Labour window poster up. Bunch of leaflets to deliver, and am down for two or more sessions taking numbers outside the polling station...

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 12:03 pm

pk1 wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
rebeccariots2 wrote: I'd love him to do that and hear what voters had to say to him. But his 'streets' will be carefully hand picked - and probably the voters too. Kensington and Chelsea?
I remember when the Tories were not doing so well in the polls they made poor old Major go out onto the streets and stand on a soapbox. And yes, from somewhere they found a genuine, sturdy wooden crate. It was cringe making.
Doesn't seem to have done Ed any harm though.

Anything that brings Leaders closer to the electorate, is surely a good thing.

Not when it's being done at the last minute, out of desperation. And obviously so.

Being accessible is a must if they want us to put our faith in them. Ed has shown he's happy to mingle...It's clearly becoming one of the main reasons he's ahead....

Love the bunch of ladies mobbing him...He looks as if he's enjoying it.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 12:05 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
General Election 2015: Nigel Farage is on course to lose South Thanet election after experts predict Ukip wipeout
and the party is expected to lose half its seats in the upcoming general, experts have predicted.

The website, has said not only will Farage fail to wrestle the Kent seat away from the Tories, Tory defector Mark Reckless will lose his seat in Rochester and Stroud. That will only leave Douglas Carswell hanging on in Clacton-On-Sea.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 87516.html
A Labour win and UKIP in pieces would, in Voltaire's words be, the best of all possible worlds...

Desperate to see one or two 'Gotcha' moments in May. Fingers crossed.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 12:11 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:I realise - admittedly belatedly, and I know you know this already - that Tories really do see being in power as a simple business opportunity. They see nothing wrong with lying and stealing to sell the assets of a nation, under market value, to their chums - who they then champion as "wealth creators" as they pocket the profits that rightfully belong to the rest of us. And they spend the rest of their energies destroying the state with the goal of removing any barriers to them doing more of the same, while reducing the chances of the population from standing up for themselves.

Regardless of the outcome in May, we have to do something about this.

Wise post.
In my opinion, the current Labour party is fundamentally different from the Tory party.
Labour is public service administration.
Tory is free-booting vandals.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 12:11 pm

Angela Eagle is launching Labour's LGBT manifesto in Brighton on Tuesday.

I got an invitation to the event & I'm gutted I can't go

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 12:13 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
General Election 2015: Nigel Farage is on course to lose South Thanet election after experts predict Ukip wipeout
and the party is expected to lose half its seats in the upcoming general, experts have predicted.

The website, has said not only will Farage fail to wrestle the Kent seat away from the Tories, Tory defector Mark Reckless will lose his seat in Rochester and Stroud. That will only leave Douglas Carswell hanging on in Clacton-On-Sea.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 87516.html

Why do I find the phrase "hanging on in Clacton-on-Sea" so ineffably depressing? Apologies to anyone who is from, or has inexplicably fond memories of, Clacton. A pall of gloom has descended upon me but I'll rally, no doubt.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 12:15 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:If Nigel Tufnel's amp goes up to 11, what value does the Cameron loathing scale go up to?

We've met the event horizon on Cameronloathingscale.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 12:16 pm

PorFavor wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:
General Election 2015: Nigel Farage is on course to lose South Thanet election after experts predict Ukip wipeout
and the party is expected to lose half its seats in the upcoming general, experts have predicted.

The website, has said not only will Farage fail to wrestle the Kent seat away from the Tories, Tory defector Mark Reckless will lose his seat in Rochester and Stroud. That will only leave Douglas Carswell hanging on in Clacton-On-Sea.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 87516.html
Why do I find the phrase "hanging on in Clacton-on-Sea" so ineffably depressing? Apologies to anyone who is from, or has inexplicably fond memories of, Clacton. A pall of gloom has descended upon me but I'll rally, no doubt.

Think motorcycle.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 12:19 pm

pk1 wrote:Angela Eagle is launching Labour's LGBT manifesto in Brighton on Tuesday.

I got an invitation to the event & I'm gutted I can't go

I'm not there either.
She's brilliant! Charismatic, intelligent & funny - the woman is a wonderful.
I met her recently in Manchester at the Labour Women's Network at the Peoples' Museum.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 12:25 pm

citizenJA wrote:
pk1 wrote:Angela Eagle is launching Labour's LGBT manifesto in Brighton on Tuesday.

I got an invitation to the event & I'm gutted I can't go
I'm not there either.
She's brilliant! Charismatic, intelligent & funny - the woman is a wonderful.
I met her recently in Manchester at the Labour Women's Network at the Peoples' Museum.

I like the Eagle sisters a lot. The Manchester People's Museum is pretty good, too. At the mention of it, some of my Clacton induced gloom has lifted already.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 12:31 pm

"I want to talk about the nightmare scenario of me not winning"
- Dave Cameron

It's not all about you.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 12:37 pm

PorFavor wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
pk1 wrote:Angela Eagle is launching Labour's LGBT manifesto in Brighton on Tuesday.

I got an invitation to the event & I'm gutted I can't go
I'm not there either.
She's brilliant! Charismatic, intelligent & funny - the woman is a wonderful.
I met her recently in Manchester at the Labour Women's Network at the Peoples' Museum.
I like the Eagle sisters a lot. The Manchester People's Museum is pretty good, too. At the mention of it, some of my Clacton induced gloom has lifted already.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 12:41 pm

citizenJA wrote:
"I want to talk about the nightmare scenario of me not winning"
- Dave Cameron
It's not all about you.

Anyway - it's "my not winning". And I'm sure he knows that. He really does think, "It's all about me." Hence his (probably unconscious) choice of language.

Edited to add -

My point being (yes, amazingly, there is one!) "my not winning" would have tripped off his tongue without any thought - if that's really what he had meant.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 12:42 pm

citizenJA wrote:
"I want to talk about the nightmare scenario of me not winning"
- Dave Cameron
It's not all about you.

Empty Dave should tweet that.

Maybe we could develop this nightmare scenario.

How about :-

My hunting friends will laugh at me.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 12:46 pm

http://www.alastaircampbell.org/blog/20 ... -beat-him/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?
quite interesting from Campbell

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 12:51 pm

Empty Dave:

"I want to talk about the nightmare scenario of me not winning"

The plebs won't get to see me and Sam pointing at stuff any more.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 12:58 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Empty Dave:

"I want to talk about the nightmare scenario of me not winning"
The plebs won't get to see me and Sam pointing at stuff any more.

Or -

It will mean that I made a complete arse of myself in that orange turban for nothing. And it was captured on film.

mikems · Post by **mikems** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 1:10 pm

"I want to talk about the nightmare scenario of me not winning"

Boris!

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 1:15 pm

PorFavor wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:Empty Dave:

"I want to talk about the nightmare scenario of me not winning"
The plebs won't get to see me and Sam pointing at stuff any more.
Or -

It will mean that I made a complete arse of myself in that orange turban for nothing. And it was captured on film.

Haven't we suffered enough?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 1:22 pm

Murdoch's double dealing, as usual.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 1:28 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.alastaircampbell.org/blog/20 ... -beat-him/?
quite interesting from Campbell

Especially liked ' Cameron does not deserve to win. He is fighting this election as though it is frankly an irritation that he has to defend himself to the public. He is fighting it with a sense of growing anger that he could possibly be beaten by a man he has so consistently dismissed as a lightweight incapable of persuading the country he could be a Prime Minister. But in this, as in so much else, his arrogance and his belief in his right to rule are reaping a heavy cost for him. Because it looks like he could be wrong.'

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 1:31 pm

Transcript of Marr's interview with Cameron:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/19041503.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

TheGrimSqueaker · Post by **TheGrimSqueaker** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 1:36 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Empty Dave:

"I want to talk about the nightmare scenario of me not winning"
The plebs won't get to see me and Sam pointing at stuff any more.

Much to Sam's relief. There is always a look of despair and embarrassment in her eyes whenever she is forced into participating in one of those laboured photo ops.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 1:40 pm

pk1 wrote:Transcript of Marr's interview with Cameron:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/19041503.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks PK, can avoid having to see Cameron's funny little mouth while he is talking.

Did catch a 30 second clip on Twitter, when Marr asks him about fox hunting, and he is twiddling his fingers in a very nervous way.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 1:44 pm

I want to talk about the nightmare scenario of me not winning"

Tweeted your various suggestions in the FTN account.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 1:45 pm

telegraph wrote:SNP threatens to block defence spending unless Trident is scrapped
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... apped.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Someone should let the SNP know that even if it gets 59 seats that there are another 591 MPs at Westminster.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 1:48 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
telegraph wrote:SNP threatens to block defence spending unless Trident is scrapped
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... apped.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Someone should let the SNP know that even if it gets 59 seats that there are another 591 MPs at Westminster.

But they can shout & stamp their little feet ten times louder so it'll even things up.

Write out 100 lines.
I must not hate the SNP
I must not hate the SNP
I must not hate the SNP
I must not hate the SNP................

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:02 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Empty Dave:

"I want to talk about the nightmare scenario of me not winning"
The plebs won't get to see me and Sam pointing at stuff any more.

Dave, how about you buy yourself a nice television program you can star in? Point at anything you want. Anyone who wants to watch you & Sam can tune in. Meanwhile, the nation & people get on with living.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:03 pm

I think I've just read that Kate's in labour. A few days respite for our beloved leader?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:05 pm

pk1 wrote:Transcript of Marr's interview with Cameron:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/19041503.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thank you for this. I minimise the amount of video I watch.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:07 pm

yahyah wrote:

Murdoch's double dealing, as usual.

Incredible - what an image! Look at the propaganda laid bare.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:08 pm

Blimey, the BBC has put that video of Ed being mobbed by that hen party on it's home page !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:10 pm

ohsocynical wrote:I think I've just read that Kate's in labour. A few days respite for our beloved leader?

I'm turning more and more tin foil hat-ish these days.
Royal baby mania just before a general election likely to help the Tories.

Royals are trained to do the best for their 'firm', shagging nine months and 17 days before an election just part of the job description ?

With a fixed term Parliament, everyone knew when polling day would be.

TechnicalEphemera · Post by **TechnicalEphemera** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:14 pm

yahyah wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:I think I've just read that Kate's in labour. A few days respite for our beloved leader?

I'm turning more and more tin foil hat-ish these days.
Royal baby mania just before a general election likely to help the Tories.

Royals are trained to do the best for their 'firm', shagging nine months and 17 days before an election just part of the job description ?

With a fixed term Parliament, everyone knew when polling day would be.

She has stuffed it up, Cameron needed that a week before polling day.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:15 pm

Sunny Hundal ‏@sunny_hundal 1 hr1 hour ago

YouGov's Kellner now positive about Miliband's chances b/c of better personal ratings (as many of us predicted)

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/04/19/to ... round-war/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

mbc1955 · Post by **mbc1955** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:16 pm

pk1 wrote:Transcript of Marr's interview with Cameron:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/19041503.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks for that. It was an interesting experience, rather like the one time I read von Daniken ('Chariots of the Gods'), when I had such a total distrust of what was being said to me that if Cameron told me it was sunny outside, I would go out in anorak and waterproof trousers, carrying an open umbrella.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:34 pm

Neologism of the Day:

Milibandmania.

Courtesy of the New Statesman.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... ing-ladies" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

Edited to withdraw veiled comment (going back to childhood about Knutsford and ponies) and to clarify that I think Milibandmania is a manc-stylee "brilliant" development.

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:42 pm

I'd heard that Larry the Cat had resumed his duties as Pest Controller at Number 10 and had removed a chicken last week and that Reuters had mistakenly released a story before its embargo was lifted. I thought Larry had whisked him away to face trial before the Wise Labour Owl. Applications from Somerset Beavers have flooded in from those wishing to stream the event live. Badgers and Foxes, musing of what to do, are being approached by a Stag who's left his parcel of deer sheltering nearby. Squirrels are in attendance too having been pointed out far too frequently, even the fish are babbling in the brook; someone had singled them out too.

Unfortunately I was wrong. What was that about 'David Cameron Kidnapped On Way To Television Studio'? He makes an heroic escape? Well there he is before me on the Andrew Marr Show, he must have after all. I can't wait to hear the details.

Just saying.

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:45 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Neologism of the Day:

Milibandmania.

Courtesy of the New Statesman.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... ing-ladies" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

You've gotta love aspirational pseudo mancs (ie: ladies from Knutsford)

There are some voters for whom policy is a turn off and are more swayed by momentum, they like to back a winner. These are tough times for those who want to bank a winner, however, as no single party is obviously in the lead. In which case, I can only say that it won't do Ed Miliband any harm to be seen to be popular. Every time he appears in public now, happy looking people crowd round him for autographs and selfies. Cameron gets a ukulele heckler. The Tory strategists wanted a presidential-syle election, but I'm not sure this is quite what they had in mind!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:49 pm

ohsocynical wrote:I think I've just read that Kate's in labour. A few days respite for our beloved leader?

Good. Election timing-wise, I mean.

utopiandreams · Post by **utopiandreams** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:50 pm

PorFavor wrote:
ohsocynical wrote:I think I've just read that Kate's in labour. A few days respite for our beloved leader?
Good. Election timing-wise, I mean.

Please stop it, PorFavor. I couldn't stand the strain.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:51 pm

graun wrote:Speaking this morning on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show the Lib Dems’ Vince Cable said

Sorry - I lost interest.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:54 pm

Willow904 wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:Neologism of the Day:

Milibandmania.

Courtesy of the New Statesman.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... ing-ladies" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

You've gotta love aspirational pseudo mancs (ie: ladies from Knutsford)
There are some voters for whom policy is a turn off and are more swayed by momentum, they like to back a winner. These are tough times for those who want to bank a winner, however, as no single party is obviously in the lead. In which case, I can only say that it won't do Ed Miliband any harm to be seen to be popular. Every time he appears in public now, happy looking people crowd round him for autographs and selfies. Cameron gets a ukulele heckler. The Tory strategists wanted a presidential-syle election, but I'm not sure this is quite what they had in mind!

I am trying to look at it this way

. No matter what happens in May, right now there are some very pissed off nervous Tories

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 2:57 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
Willow904 wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:Neologism of the Day:

Milibandmania.

Courtesy of the New Statesman.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/20 ... ing-ladies" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

You've gotta love aspirational pseudo mancs (ie: ladies from Knutsford)
There are some voters for whom policy is a turn off and are more swayed by momentum, they like to back a winner. These are tough times for those who want to bank a winner, however, as no single party is obviously in the lead. In which case, I can only say that it won't do Ed Miliband any harm to be seen to be popular. Every time he appears in public now, happy looking people crowd round him for autographs and selfies. Cameron gets a ukulele heckler. The Tory strategists wanted a presidential-syle election, but I'm not sure this is quite what they had in mind!
I am trying to look at it this way . No matter what happens in May, right now there are some very pissed off nervous Tories

see above. I wasn't meaning to be rude about these particular knutsford ladies. it was the medium of typing that made it come across that way. I am totally delighted that these young ladies went wild about Ed and that the press have picked it up to such a degree. Tories must be pretty upset about all those "Bed Ed" stories last week!

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 3:05 pm

Nick Clegg was in Portsmouth today. Yes, I know. Even I don't find it interesting. I mention it only for form's sake.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 3:08 pm

PorFavor wrote:Nick Clegg was in Portsmouth today. Yes, I know. Even I don't find it interesting. I mention it only for form's sake.

I noticed and was going to tell you, but decided to spare you.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 3:14 pm

Welsh Labour Press ‏@WelshLabPress 12 mins12 minutes ago

Missed Leanne Wood's admission that Plaid MPs would vote down a min Labour govt & let Tories in? You can watch again on BBCParliament @1640

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sun 19 Apr, 2015 3:22 pm

ohsocynical wrote:Welsh Labour Press ‏@WelshLabPress 12 mins12 minutes ago

Missed Leanne Wood's admission that Plaid MPs would vote down a min Labour govt & let Tories in? You can watch again on BBCParliament @1640

How will that go down in Wales?