FlyTheNest

ohsocynical wrote:We'd arrived at the hospital just as George was talking about funding for mental health...I've not seen much comment on it on Twitter. Anyone know what the figures he was throwing around actually mean?

HindleA wrote:Dear Osborne and associated patronising barely human beings.You have a skewed view of your own imaginations.As much as the "vulnerable"(ie those you deliberately made so ,to prove you right)are grateful for a two second non mention of "support" in lieu of adequate,cost saving income to attend to assessed sickness/disability needs.;conditional support,predicated on penalisation,first,ask questions later(100 a week visitations I believe was the McVey figure to ascertain whether the penalisation should stand),it would be more honest(I understand your difficulty with such a concept)to outline that you are to lop off a third off the income of the sick/disabled.Inveterate deceitful coward that you are you avoided that.Nor indeed the parents of pre school children,regardless of situation,similarly conditionally supported with,as yet,non agreed or indeed adequately evident in any way,childcare.1.3 million is your figure,are there any others,that we should know about?

rebeccariots2 wrote:

seeingclearly wrote:

rebeccariots2 wrote: How depressing.

Is this true though? GO made a big thing of it so unless they weren't paying sttention at all I don't see how they could have missed it.

Well there's a longish thread under Alex Andreou's tweet with Isabel Hardman and others participating. She and a couple of other journalists are saying it was Blairite MPs bringing it to their attention - and one of them saying the story, as far as they are concerned, is the 'moderates' reaction to McDonnell and subsequent briefing to journalists ... i.e. it's a story because of the 'moderates' reaction. That's what I find so depressing.

rebeccariots2 wrote:

James Lyons Retweeted
Conor Pope ‏@Conorpope 5h5 hours ago
Conor Pope Retweeted Alex Andreou
Having sat in the press gallery, can confirm no journos had noticed the Mao bit until Blairite MPs started briefing.

Alex Andreou
‏@sturdyAlex
If Blairite MPs don't want the Mao gaffe to be the story - and this is JUST AN IDEA - perhaps stop briefing the right wing press about it.

Isabel Hardman ‏@IsabelHardman 5h5 hours ago
@sturdyAlex we hadn’t noticed it until the Blairites told us about it

How depressing.

HindleA wrote:"investing an additional £600 million in mental health services. Additional investment will mean that significantly more people will have access to talking therapies every year by 2020. NHS England’s Mental Health Taskforce will report in early 2016 and the government will work with them to set out transformative plans, including for perinatal mental health and coverage of crisis care"

seeingclearly wrote:

rebeccariots2 wrote:

James Lyons Retweeted
Conor Pope ‏@Conorpope 5h5 hours ago
Conor Pope Retweeted Alex Andreou
Having sat in the press gallery, can confirm no journos had noticed the Mao bit until Blairite MPs started briefing.

Alex Andreou
‏@sturdyAlex
If Blairite MPs don't want the Mao gaffe to be the story - and this is JUST AN IDEA - perhaps stop briefing the right wing press about it.

Isabel Hardman ‏@IsabelHardman 5h5 hours ago
@sturdyAlex we hadn’t noticed it until the Blairites told us about it

How depressing.

Is this true though? GO made a big thing of it so unless they weren't paying sttention at all I don't see how they could have missed it.

George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 5h5 hours ago
Shadow cabinet member tells me increasing expectation of a free vote on Syria.

George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 5h5 hours ago
"We can't rush to war in Syria without a plan for peace" - @LiamByrneMP sounds a sceptical note: http://bit.ly/1NtaByU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA wrote:@discordantharmony


"Typing rapid fire riposte Therapy"

rebeccariots2 wrote:

George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 5h5 hours ago
Shadow cabinet member tells me increasing expectation of a free vote on Syria.

George Eaton ‏@georgeeaton 5h5 hours ago
"We can't rush to war in Syria without a plan for peace" - @LiamByrneMP sounds a sceptical note: http://bit.ly/1NtaByU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA wrote:Therefore Osborne utteration pure bollox.

HindleA wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... opposition

However, heroic assumptions also have to be made about the numbers that will be on UC by the end of the parliament. Tucked away on p137 of the OBR report is a table showing seven successive forecasts to the numbers on UC. In March 2013, the caseload was forecast to be 7.5m by 2018-19, and now that forecast for the same year is 2.5m.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:So basically Oxbridge out, Lord Harris in, as far of training teachers goes?

How does that square with the Gove view of Oxbridge being the summit?

£23bn will be spent on opening new free schools and maintaining existing schools

Osborne announced £23bn capital investment over the course of the Parliament to open 500 free schools and rebuild and refurbish over 500 more.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:http://schoolsweek.co.uk/universities-c ... er-pe-ban/

More on training. History PGCEs are 75% full.

Only 238 out 816 of history training places to be done via universities. Twice as many people have so far applied for university training as schools training.

RogerOThornhill wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:So basically Oxbridge out, Lord Harris in, as far of training teachers goes?

How does that square with the Gove view of Oxbridge being the summit?

Maybe he assumed that all teachers were trained at teacher training colleges and didn't actually know that at they hadn't existed for a few decades.

Pure ideology. I wish some of those who thought that Gove was so wonderful might actually look at where at where his policies have led and pause for thought. they won't though I know.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

HindleA wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... opposition

However, heroic assumptions also have to be made about the numbers that will be on UC by the end of the parliament. Tucked away on p137 of the OBR report is a table showing seven successive forecasts to the numbers on UC. In March 2013, the caseload was forecast to be 7.5m by 2018-19, and now that forecast for the same year is 2.5m.

The big savings seem to come with single parents with kids. I assume they get housing benefit as well in lots of cases.

What's the chance that many of those will be on UC?

RogerOThornhill wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:http://schoolsweek.co.uk/universities-c ... er-pe-ban/

More on training. History PGCEs are 75% full.

Only 238 out 816 of history training places to be done via universities. Twice as many people have so far applied for university training as schools training.

"What do universities have anyway? Well apart from world-renowned academic experts in their speciality. Apart from that. Oh, and apart from education experts. What else? Nothing. Schools clearly better then for teacher training."

seeingclearly wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

HindleA wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015 ... opposition

However, heroic assumptions also have to be made about the numbers that will be on UC by the end of the parliament. Tucked away on p137 of the OBR report is a table showing seven successive forecasts to the numbers on UC. In March 2013, the caseload was forecast to be 7.5m by 2018-19, and now that forecast for the same year is 2.5m.

The big savings seem to come with single parents with kids. I assume they get housing benefit as well in lots of cases.

What's the chance that many of those will be on UC?

I don't yhink they've migrated many with complex claims yet, mostly single people still with small complex cohorts to test the system, they are still allowed a choice to return to old style benefits if it isn't eorking out for them. But yes, sungle parents are an easy target, they have to be in good jobs to even stand a chance of a mortgage. It has been rolled out to quite a lot of benefit offices, but they aren't moving fast on it, I doubt they will make much headway thus parliament, they havent really got the tax thing sorted out yet, and there will be lots of tax workers (what is left of them) to train. 2.5 million looks optimistic. But hey. IDS still gets to play. sh

HindleA wrote:晚安

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

seeingclearly wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote: The big savings seem to come with single parents with kids. I assume they get housing benefit as well in lots of cases.

What's the chance that many of those will be on UC?

I don't yhink they've migrated many with complex claims yet, mostly single people still with small complex cohorts to test the system, they are still allowed a choice to return to old style benefits if it isn't eorking out for them. But yes, sungle parents are an easy target, they have to be in good jobs to even stand a chance of a mortgage. It has been rolled out to quite a lot of benefit offices, but they aren't moving fast on it, I doubt they will make much headway thus parliament, they havent really got the tax thing sorted out yet, and there will be lots of tax workers (what is left of them) to train. 2.5 million looks optimistic. But hey. IDS still gets to play. sh

That's what I suspected. But I didn't know you could back on the old system if it wasn't working out. I thought the point was that it wasn't being rushed in- remember IDS saying that every time he was asked to explain the delays?

HindleA wrote:FWIW I have been signing on weekly for a couple of weeks-JSA contributory (not actually receiving anything ,but that is another story)I don't think that comes under UC.It was announced that UC was available as from last week,I didn't notice anything different.I asked if the computer,ever went down,and she said there was a manual way and if need be a method of paying everybody,regardless if they signed on or not.

HindleA wrote:Not sure if actually running two systems as such,but she just said "fill in form manually "if computer not working and she lost me how to pay everybody due.I am not sure if I come under UC,I claimed JSA a couple of weeks ago and nothings changed,they have only just began,supposedly to accept UC claims.