FlyTheNest

tinyclanger2 wrote: (in response to RR above)

Willow904 wrote:Evening everyone. I'd just like to thank everyone who took the time to welcome me to twitter yesterday. I've uploaded the same pic to both this site and my twitter page so everyone who found me can be sure it's me as I used my real name for twitter (didn't feel right following Stephen King with a pseudonym somehow, don't know why).

Anyhow, I haven't been able to look at the papers much today. Too many stupid rumours being written up multiple times as "news" (yawn) so I really appreciate this site as you all find such great links and so save me doing the leg work searching the net myself. So thanks again and keep up the good work!

citizenJA wrote:

tinyclanger2 wrote: (in response to RR above)

Yep.

Forgive me, I've misunderstood you. I've read the child abuse story in the link posted directly above yours.

Eric_WLothian wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

citizenJA wrote:Al Capone was sent up to prison as a convicted tax dodger in the US.

Yes, indeed.

None of this of course means Hayman was pimping out young kids to the Cabinet- he had enough friends who'd want to help him anyway- but I'm starting to see a conspiracy more than I have before.

On a similar subject, somebody mentioned 'the magic circle' a few days ago. It looks as if it might be about to resurface:

A PLAN to hold public inquiry into historical child abuse in Scotland is being prepared by the Scottish Government, Scotland on Sunday has learned.
Ministers are looking at establishing a high-profile investigation into allegations of abuse carried out in care homes, educational institutions, by religious orders and by high-profile members of the Scottish establishment...

...The inquiry is also expected to examine allegations involving the late Conservative MP Nicholas Fairbairn and a prominent member of the legal establishment, Robert Henderson QC.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/t ... -1-3599024

citizenJA wrote:

ErnstRemarx wrote:

tinyclanger2 wrote:I know we've been here before, but how the hell do we get a press that can offset the right wing dominance? We used to have a public broadcaster which was quite valuable, but that's clearly no longer (and for ages hasn't been) the case. Maybe JK's got a few quid she could spare to set one up a quality paper and pay (among others) some of our star FTNers to provide the content.

If I had more money than Brenda I'd certainly be open to an approach ....

Hi TC, much of the intelligent and thoughtful commentary and analysis has already moved away from the press (as we know it) and onto the t'interwebs, so it follows that that's where the future is likely to be.

Already, places like FTN link to useful and informative sites that are miles more useful than the 'papers' since they quote raw facts and figures and suggest interpretations that you will never, ever find on the Graun and Fail websites. That is why FTN is my goto site and why I can safely discount and ignore the Graun for good. They'll get no more clicks and visits out of me, as it's a waste of my time and energy. The truth lies elsewhere.

That is why I've asked a few times here that if you still bother with the Graun, at least post up our URL in your profile and feel very free to invite switched on posters there to come here and register (and post). We're still slowly gathering new members, but we need more and we need to attract visitors and people who've become equally disillusioned by the crap served up by the MSM.

That is why I'm (personally) very much against the sorts of spat that has - apparently - seen Temulkar stop posting here. I very much regret that. FTN is, or should be, a far wider church than being an adherent of the Labour party. All shades of left are welcome, and any reasonable (ie, not bonkers) right wing poster is welcome here too. There is much to discuss and and all intelligent input is welcome. Remember, if you disagree with a post, it makes you examine your view to be able to reply.

One of the finest comments I've read today & you're up against some good competition. I've been reading here & reading the linked information inside posts.

You're right; I read the articles on the G, for example, reporting something from the Office for National Statistics (ONS), National Audit Office (NAO) or the Labour party. I have to go to the report or press release to get what's really happened or data compiled in a way published freely within their reports.

Egregiously horrid editorialising content on the G & other news websites NOT in the editorial section but reported as fact. When the G is called out on their mistakes, they disappear them - it's rare to find corrections in any place people are likely to see.

I grew accustomed to the G's format, the friends I met there are here, I found out about flythenest from Sparrow's blog & below the line commentary on the G. When the flow of mendacity becomes too great on the G, I come here to "talk" about the links & information really happening but not reported or worse, made up. It's increasingly toxic above & below the line on the G. Exposure to different opinions is a good thing. Chronic abuse from too many below the line toward me, toward other commentators isn't good & it happens too frequently now.

Your post above flipped a switch for me. The G still has commentators posting below the line I love dearly from different sections of news reported. I learn from them what I learn from everyone here.

Organisations & blogs on line post their different kinds information using science, facts & real life descriptions (excellent council meeting in Barnet). It makes good sense to spend less time on the G because it's getting too difficult to read so much inaccuracy after finding facts from sources available elsewhere.

I'm discovering fewer commentators below the line wish to disagree with me about the information from links I post in a meaningful way.

I'll post some there & keep track of those people reporting responsibly & suggest flythenest when it's appropriate to do so - I'll have to think carefully before I suggest it in a post or in my profile elsewhere.

Thank you for mentioning what happens when we vehemently disagree with others. Please stick around & wait to see if we can't continue learning good things from the continued dialogue. No one wants to lose friends. But we don't have to agree with our friends all the time. In fact, that's probably a sign of something not quite right if we're echoing each other - either too superficial, too afraid to contradict someone we admire, don't want to make a "fuss" or we're too insulated from other ideas.

I've written earlier on this thread today to call me out when I've made a mistake or I'm unclear. Don't worry so much. I'm writing all this as advice for myself. I'll post it hoping I've helped my friends who help me.

letsskiptotheleft wrote:Fair dues to the Guardian, they managed to turn a piece about an inadequate hospital and services in Rochester into a sly dig how badly Labour are doing there. How the hell UKIP will improve it is beyond me?!

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:I loved this comparison

Jim Pickard @PickardJE · 6h 6 hours ago
An extra-terrestrial observer could be forgiven for thinking it was Labour about to lose a second by election to Ukip, not the Conservatives

graun wrote: The Guardian view on Britain’s jobs market: Miliband’s diagnosis vindicated
Labour’s leader is under pressure. He should remind critics that he spotted Britain’s big problems with pay and upward mobility early, and turn his mind towards solutions

rebeccariots2 wrote:

Jim Pickard @PickardJE · 6h 6 hours ago
An extra-terrestrial observer could be forgiven for thinking it was Labour about to lose a second by election to Ukip, not the Conservatives

AngryAsWell wrote:

Eric_WLothian wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote: Yes, indeed.

None of this of course means Hayman was pimping out young kids to the Cabinet- he had enough friends who'd want to help him anyway- but I'm starting to see a conspiracy more than I have before.

On a similar subject, somebody mentioned 'the magic circle' a few days ago. It looks as if it might be about to resurface:

A PLAN to hold public inquiry into historical child abuse in Scotland is being prepared by the Scottish Government, Scotland on Sunday has learned.
Ministers are looking at establishing a high-profile investigation into allegations of abuse carried out in care homes, educational institutions, by religious orders and by high-profile members of the Scottish establishment...

...The inquiry is also expected to examine allegations involving the late Conservative MP Nicholas Fairbairn and a prominent member of the legal establishment, Robert Henderson QC.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/t ... -1-3599024

Arrrh that will be this then
QC’s daughter ‘raped by senior Tory MP at age 4’

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/n ... -1-3509203" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

cardigansinbound
09 November 2014 6:32pm

The House of Commons unanimously voted to block the BskyB deal that would of handed control of the British media to Newscorp for eternity.

Democracy in action.

Yet it wasnt the Primeminister who took the bold and brave step to table the motion, in fact he refused to attend and vote, it was the Leader of the Opposition who acted in the national interest. In the full knowledge it would him and his family in the crosshairs.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... t-trending" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://discussion.theguardian.com/comme ... k/43405566" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Yes - but if the allegations in a later 'Scotsman' article are true, her experiences are the tip of the iceberg.
Warning - the link below is not for the faint-hearted:
http://www.scotsman.com/news/scotland/t ... -1-3599236" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell wrote:

Willow904 wrote:Evening everyone. I'd just like to thank everyone who took the time to welcome me to twitter yesterday. I've uploaded the same pic to both this site and my twitter page so everyone who found me can be sure it's me as I used my real name for twitter (didn't feel right following Stephen King with a pseudonym somehow, don't know why).

Anyhow, I haven't been able to look at the papers much today. Too many stupid rumours being written up multiple times as "news" (yawn) so I really appreciate this site as you all find such great links and so save me doing the leg work searching the net myself. So thanks again and keep up the good work!

I've just found you! Had so many new followers yesterday I must have missed your "follow" so sorry for late follow back

Willow904 wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:

Willow904 wrote:Evening everyone. I'd just like to thank everyone who took the time to welcome me to twitter yesterday. I've uploaded the same pic to both this site and my twitter page so everyone who found me can be sure it's me as I used my real name for twitter (didn't feel right following Stephen King with a pseudonym somehow, don't know why).

Anyhow, I haven't been able to look at the papers much today. Too many stupid rumours being written up multiple times as "news" (yawn) so I really appreciate this site as you all find such great links and so save me doing the leg work searching the net myself. So thanks again and keep up the good work!

I've just found you! Had so many new followers yesterday I must have missed your "follow" so sorry for late follow back

Just spotted you a moment ago when I sent out my lame tweet. Thanks for the "follow back". Tweeting seems to be a bit of an odd art form, tbh, but people seem to enjoy it so I shall continue to attempt to master it. Hopefully my output will improve and eventually become worth following!

ephemerid wrote:Some cracking posts here today - I've been catching up on and off.

TGS - I've told you before and I'll tell you again: you are not at fault in the matter you ask us about and you have my unequivocal support.

Three things have been occupying my remaining brain cells today. Remembrance; embarrassment; and the sad demise of a very good paper.
Could these things possibly be related? Yes, By Jiminy!

Item - a special day today for those of us who want to remember the sacrifice of those who fought for us (and for my daughter who has lost contemporaries in theatres of war more recently). On this occasion, it appears that in London OGRFG chose not to fiddle about with wreaths to make other people appear uncaring; welcome restraint after his recent performances ("sad-face" and teary eye excepted, obviously).

Item - the above brings me to the embarrassment. Seeing OGRGF have a hissy fit reminiscent of a toddler tantrum, manufactured specifically to pretend he knew nothing about the EU bill (despite his Treasury knowing about it for 5 months) was excruciating enough; but his blatant lying and that of his oleaginous sidekick, clearly designed to whip up anti-european feeling and attempt to garner support for the Rochester and Strood bye-election, was probably the most cringe-worthy of his antics yet. He is the most embarrassing excuse for a statesman I have ever seen.

Item - despite all this, the once-great Observer has chosen to run six (yes, SIX) separate articles on the perils of being Ed Miliband. These stories appear to based on this: one or maybe two unnamed politicians have allegedly expressed that 20 shadow ministers want Ed Miliband out.
Senior Labour MPs have denied this; the man who the unnamed people apparently want has made it clear he's not interested; not one single Labour MP has come out to say if they are the source; Miliband himself has refused to dignify this speculation by responding to it.

All of this has been orchestrated by a media and a political elite scared shitless of one man who is bigger than all of them put together.

Some might think it's a bit odd that this is happening now - I think it's something the Tories have had planned for some time and kept for an emergency. They are under severe pressure after last week's disgusting performance, the failure to appoint a leader for the CSA enquiry.
I think that two defections to UKIP and the 22 Tory MPs who want a vote of no confidence in Cameron (and have put that in writing) have rattled Cameron's cage and he will use any nasty mendacious sleight-of-hand to distract people from his incompetence.
I think the media are making a fuss about this non-story because they are very afraid of Miliband and his commitment to implement Leveson; and I think the Guardian/Observer editorial team is not just backing Clegg (and the coalition) but attempting to smear Ed Miliband in the hope that its readership will be influenced. This so transparently a stitch-up, motivated by self-interest and good old-fashioned fear. The fact that Boffey has now, seemingly, joined the political commentators says it all - he is a former Mail gossip columnist and nobody knows better how to manufacture a story. This is scurrilous, baseless, targeted, and un-evidenced gossip, and I am sick of it.

We have been saying for some time that this will be a nasty vicious election - the Tories have obviously decided to discredit Miliband by any means and these are not fair but certainly foul. Cameron and Osborne knew that nobody believed their shit when they got back from the EU.
In the broadsheets, there has been a lot less about their blatant lying than there has been about this non-story. It seems to me that a word has been had to play dirty this weekend when Cameron can pose with his serious face on and try to look all caring and statesmanlike, and the thick and easily-led electorate will forget all their lies, do their remembrance thing, and if they bother to pick up a paper it will be all headlines about what a useless article Ed Miliband is according to his own (mystery) people.

There will be a backlash this time. Surely?

Willow904 wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:

Willow904 wrote:Evening everyone. I'd just like to thank everyone who took the time to welcome me to twitter yesterday. I've uploaded the same pic to both this site and my twitter page so everyone who found me can be sure it's me as I used my real name for twitter (didn't feel right following Stephen King with a pseudonym somehow, don't know why).

Anyhow, I haven't been able to look at the papers much today. Too many stupid rumours being written up multiple times as "news" (yawn) so I really appreciate this site as you all find such great links and so save me doing the leg work searching the net myself. So thanks again and keep up the good work!

I've just found you! Had so many new followers yesterday I must have missed your "follow" so sorry for late follow back

Just spotted you a moment ago when I sent out my lame tweet. Thanks for the "follow back". Tweeting seems to be a bit of an odd art form, tbh, but people seem to enjoy it so I shall continue to attempt to master it. Hopefully my output will improve and eventually become worth following!

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

citizenJA wrote:Ephemerid is on the thread.
Life is good.

xx
JA

ohsocynical wrote:Mike Smithson ‏@MSmithsonPB Nov 8
Positive numbers for EdM from latest 12k sample Ashcroft marginals survey. 7 out of 10 LD switchers want him as PM

AngryAsWell wrote:With friends like Kevin Maguire who needs enemies?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ed ... ed-4600284" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor wrote:Goodnight, everyone.

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... -days.html

Cameron's whatever it is cousin, Johnson on how Labour will punish people for making their homes nice.

AngryAsWell wrote:Off topic but no one can string words together like Bob

Ro Bot Dylan ‏@ro_bot_dylan · 5 mins5 minutes ago
And swear words and sneering, and his tongue it was snarling, In a matter of minutes on bail was out walking

(can anyone guess the song?)

Spacedone wrote:Tony Parsons has written some godawful shite for The Sun so risible I'm not even going to link it. The headline is:

"Miliband only loves the working class when they are on their knees."

AngryAsWell wrote:Sadiq Khan MP ‏@SadiqKhan · 5 mins5 minutes ago
Attacks on @Ed_Miliband create ‘worst of all worlds’ – @LucyMPowell sets out why #webackEd via @guardian
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; …

Not read it yet....

As senior Labour MPs revealed that at least 20 shadow ministers are prepared to call for Miliband to stand down if Alan Johnson indicates he is willing to stand for the leadership, the new shadow Cabinet Office minister Lucy Powell challenged the critics to speak publicly.

RogerOThornhill wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:Off topic but no one can string words together like Bob

Ro Bot Dylan ‏@ro_bot_dylan · 5 mins5 minutes ago
And swear words and sneering, and his tongue it was snarling, In a matter of minutes on bail was out walking

(can anyone guess the song?)

Looks like Hattie Carroll to me...

letsskiptotheleft wrote:

Spacedone wrote:Tony Parsons has written some godawful shite for The Sun so risible I'm not even going to link it. The headline is:

"Miliband only loves the working class when they are on their knees."

So says the man who has endorsed UKIP! ****!

herero
06 November 2014 11:30pm

The reference is to John Heartfield the anti Nazi cartoonist and the supporters of the right against the Social Democratic Party. The tiger represents the forces of the right behind this.

http://www.johnheartfield.com/John-Hear ... rty-crisis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 wrote:Perhaps it's just my bizarrely interminable optimism (it's a hidden but constant trait) but I am beginning to feel that the anti-Ed stuff is taking on such a degree of terrified (Tories and MSM) ridiculousness, that people might just start finding it really quite silly.

Ah but Newton Dunn's tweet refers to him as a Labour man. Why tell one lie when you can tell two at the same time.