Saturday, 13th August - Sunday, 14th August 2016

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 1:29 pm

yahyah wrote:What actually is the function of the nominations at this stage of the procedure ?

I'd assumed it was basically an "instruction" to the MP.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 1:30 pm

tinybgoat wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:
yahyah wrote:My CLP voted for Corbyn too.

Can't read the attached documents to find out more, from the CLP email I got this morning, as I don't have Office with my new laptop.
I'm assuming you're on a Windows laptop: if you don't mind using Open Source Software, try OpenOffice (http://www.openoffice.org/).

It's imperfect but generally fine for opening simple Office documents, etc.

Edit: also free, obviously, otherwise you may as well pay for Office.
Or may possibly be better with LibreOffice,
(it's a 'fork' of OpenOffice, but has more developers, runs better & should be more compatible with Microsoft, though both are still developed & probably will do the job fine.)

https://www.libreoffice.org

Ah, yes, I had forgotten about the politics of OOo. The LibreOffice crowd clearly understand better that users are not all geeks, if the two websites are anything to go by

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 1:31 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
yahyah wrote:What actually is the function of the nominations at this stage of the procedure ?
I'd assumed it was basically an "instruction" to the MP.

So no point in doing it in a non-Labour seat ?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 1:33 pm

yahyah wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
yahyah wrote:What actually is the function of the nominations at this stage of the procedure ?
I'd assumed it was basically an "instruction" to the MP.
So no point in doing it in a non-Labour seat ?

650 constituencies
It's being done in non-Labour seats

TobyLatimer · Post by **TobyLatimer** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 1:38 pm

yahyah wrote:
TobyLatimer wrote:If you need a good legal brief setting out your case yahyah , I will check my diary to see if I can squeeze you in.

I'll have my people talk to your people.

Will you take payment in homemade cakes Toby ?

Certainly, a nice cream cake with strawberries and blueberries will suffice

Or a Mr Kipling Manor House served up with a slice of Irish Cheddar, would be fine.

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ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 1:44 pm

Farage looks as if he has a hamster stuck under his nose.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 1:45 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
yahyah wrote:What actually is the function of the nominations at this stage of the procedure ?
I'd assumed it was basically an "instruction" to the MP.

'the lions in their dens tremble at his approach'

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 1:51 pm

Re CLP meetings: The only meetings allowed are nomination meetings & new members can't vote or nominate

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 2:01 pm

yahyah wrote:What actually is the function of the nominations at this stage of the procedure ?

Strictly speaking, none - they're a relic of the days when such meetings actually did decide who the CLP was backing.

(the last time this happened was IIRC 1983, though even then some local parties held all member ballots)

They are still arguably of interest in their own right, though.

MsChin · Post by **MsChin** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 2:46 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
yahyah wrote:What actually is the function of the nominations at this stage of the procedure ?
Strictly speaking, none - they're a relic of the days when such meetings actually did decide who the CLP was backing.

(the last time this happened was IIRC 1983, though even then some local parties held all member ballots)

They are still arguably of interest in their own right, though.

Most definitely and not least because it could be seen as positive that so many CLPs are engaged.
That CLPNom Twitter a/c I mentioned does split the nominations into seat categories - safe, defence, target & incontestable. The last tweet with this was 12/08 so the data is out of date hence I'll not link to it but worth keeping an eye out?

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 3:16 pm

Éoin ‏@LabourEoin 6h6 hours ago Rome, Lazio

Thus the real story, if UK media dare report it, is a +46% increase in CLP wins for Corbyn & 17%-26% increase in votes among Labour members

I had posted this on the Corbyn thread. I don't have a clue whether it gels with other figures.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 4:11 pm

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 4:12 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:The blogger Phil BC has an interesting account of last night's Stoke Central meeting.

From that and reports from elsewhere I have seen, it seems that when even Smith supporters are a small minority they are treated respectfully by the dissenting majority. Generally no booing, no heckling, no demands to "go and join the Tories".

Just mentioning this because you would never guess that from much of the MSM coverage of Labour currently

Has there been MSM coverage of last night's Stoke Central Labour meeting contradicting Phil BC's interesting account of last night's Stoke Central meeting? I've not seen any. Does Stoke Central want an award for not harassing Labour party members who disagree with each other? It's not for nothing you've gone out of your way to report how 'generally speaking' anyone not supporting Jeremy Corbyn isn't getting heckled, told to go join Tories, booed or otherwise had a rough time for supporting Smith. I left the last Labour meeting I attended in tears.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 4:13 pm

Good-afternoon, everyone.
love,
cJA

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 4:26 pm

citizenJA wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:The blogger Phil BC has an interesting account of last night's Stoke Central meeting.

From that and reports from elsewhere I have seen, it seems that when even Smith supporters are a small minority they are treated respectfully by the dissenting majority. Generally no booing, no heckling, no demands to "go and join the Tories".

Just mentioning this because you would never guess that from much of the MSM coverage of Labour currently
Has there been MSM coverage of last night's Stoke Central Labour meeting contradicting Phil BC's interesting account of last night's Stoke Central meeting? I've not seen any. Does Stoke Central want an award for not harassing Labour party members who disagree with each other? It's not for nothing you've gone out of your way to report how 'generally speaking' anyone not supporting Jeremy Corbyn isn't getting heckled, told to go join Tories, booed or otherwise had a rough time for supporting Smith. I left the last Labour meeting I attended in tears.

Sorry to hear that, it happens on occasion (and did long before Corbyn)

But it doesn't alter the fact the lurid way the media like to report on Labour often bears little relationship to actual reality.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 4:34 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:The blogger Phil BC has an interesting account of last night's Stoke Central meeting.

From that and reports from elsewhere I have seen, it seems that when even Smith supporters are a small minority they are treated respectfully by the dissenting majority. Generally no booing, no heckling, no demands to "go and join the Tories".

Just mentioning this because you would never guess that from much of the MSM coverage of Labour currently
Has there been MSM coverage of last night's Stoke Central Labour meeting contradicting Phil BC's interesting account of last night's Stoke Central meeting? I've not seen any. Does Stoke Central want an award for not harassing Labour party members who disagree with each other? It's not for nothing you've gone out of your way to report how 'generally speaking' anyone not supporting Jeremy Corbyn isn't getting heckled, told to go join Tories, booed or otherwise had a rough time for supporting Smith. I left the last Labour meeting I attended in tears.
Sorry to hear that, it happens on occasion (and did long before Corbyn)

But it doesn't alter the fact the lurid way the media like to report on Labour often bears little relationship to actual reality.

And that a lot of full members have been denied a chance to meet and select their choice because their local CLPs have been using abusive and unruly behaviour as reported in the media as an excuse to not hold meetings.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 4:59 pm

Caroline Egglestone
38 mins
Cannot believe Labour have agreed to this too (in 2015 manifesto) we know JC wants to change this as the numbers don't add up, but are we actually opposing this as only two weeks to go as many in Bracknell will become homeless including those on ESA, or will need additional help with food, clothing etc

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yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 5:03 pm

Yes, sorry to hear that JA. Do you feel you want to say more about what happened ?
Or maybe you did and I missed it ?

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 5:44 pm

JA@
Have just posted my favourite bara brith recipe on the Recipe thread in the Pub section as you are a fan of baked goods.
It's in English measures, not US cups but there is a version of the same recipe in cups on the net.
xx

pala · Post by **pala** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 6:01 pm

A general comment on other contributions for a change.

Labour party meetings should be and almost always are conducted in a comradely manner but that cannot be a guarantee that no-one will be upset. Real democracy does not work like that.

What is unacceptable is personal attacks and attempts to intimidate.

TR'sGhost · Post by **TR'sGhost** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 6:03 pm

ohsocynical wrote:
The moment a bomb disposal unit detonate mortar shell on a Welsh beach

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales ... e-11738772
You wouldn't think these WW2 bombs would still be active after all this time.

The explosives are mostly pretty stable over time and, counter-intuitive though it may be, the safest way to make an old bomb safe is to blow it up.

Apparently old chemical weapons are the worst to deal with. There's a documentary on BBC iPlayer about Porton Down that covers the incredibly careful way they have to be disposed of. The Belgian chemical weapons disposal unit is still acquiring old World War 1 gas shells, often found by farmers when ploughing, at a faster rate than it can dispose of them.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 6:11 pm

Psychologists turning on Donald Trump

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints ... 15451.html

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 6:14 pm

What's taken them so long ?

ChrisDean · Post by **ChrisDean** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 7:42 pm

Hello,

I've had a great afternoon on the bowling green.

Rather hot at times but not complaining.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 7:42 pm

The other side of the Olympic Games.

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tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 7:44 pm

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 7:45 pm

Inspired by post above, am considering changing name to tinygrass

ephemerid · Post by **ephemerid** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 7:51 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Inspired by post above, am considering changing name to tinygrass

Nooo!!!!!

You'd have to do dreaming instead of seething.

And you seethe so well.......

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 7:52 pm

I notice the BBC Breakfast team found Bradley Wiggins' pathetic tongue-pulling during the national anthem yesterday as a sign that he is a spirited wonderchild.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 7:53 pm

Simon Danczuk Arrest Imminent

Rochdale’s nominally Labour MP Simon Danczuk has of late faced censure over his “sexting” of a 17-year-old girl, been ordered to pay back thousands of pounds in over-claimed expenses, had an historic claim of rape made against him, faced rumours as to what nearly got him thrown out of a town centre pub one weekend, and then seen himself splashed all over the papers for a brief affair with another young woman.

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AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:11 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:I notice the BBC Breakfast team found Bradley Wiggins' pathetic tongue-pulling during the national anthem yesterday as a sign that he is a spirited wonderchild.

His riposte to Piers Moron was good, tbf.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:14 pm

It's the "Wiggins (sticking tongue out) = spirited wonderchild Corbyn (not singing) = evil trot" kind of thing

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:15 pm

ephemerid wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:Inspired by post above, am considering changing name to tinygrass

Nooo!!!!!

You'd have to do dreaming instead of seething.

And you seethe so well.......

Good point. tinyclanger it is.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:16 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:I notice the BBC Breakfast team found Bradley Wiggins' pathetic tongue-pulling during the national anthem yesterday as a sign that he is a spirited wonderchild.

Can you expand, please? Was it some sort of protest? In which case, why did he accept a Sir-dom?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:19 pm

PorFavor wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:I notice the BBC Breakfast team found Bradley Wiggins' pathetic tongue-pulling during the national anthem yesterday as a sign that he is a spirited wonderchild.
Can you expand, please? Was it some sort of protest? In which case, why did he accept a Sir-dom?

He just stuck his tongue out as far as I know. Am not bothered about the incident itself in the slightest (though I found it a little embarrassing, given our collective cultural kudos just now). It was the BBC's uneven-handedness about it (versus Corbyn not singing it at some point if I recall correctly), that irked.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:22 pm

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No reflection on posts....I just thought it was funny but since I can't drink rather cruel too ..

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:23 pm

gilsey · Post by **gilsey** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:26 pm

PorFavor wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:I notice the BBC Breakfast team found Bradley Wiggins' pathetic tongue-pulling during the national anthem yesterday as a sign that he is a spirited wonderchild.
Can you expand, please? Was it some sort of protest? In which case, why did he accept a Sir-dom?

IIRC he said he accepted his knighthood to please his gran, who mainly brought him up. Fair enough imo.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:26 pm

(in response to the blackboard)

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:28 pm

Britain First's leaders are to appear in front of the high court to fight an injunction that would ban them from entering every mosque in England and Wales and would also prohibit them from visiting Luton without permission.

h[url]ttp://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/the-high-court-battle-that-could-finish-britain-first--bJlzZES34vb[/url]

They should have a couple of glasses of wine and chill out.

Lost Soul · Post by **Lost Soul** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:29 pm

citizenJA wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:The blogger Phil BC has an interesting account of last night's Stoke Central meeting.

From that and reports from elsewhere I have seen, it seems that when even Smith supporters are a small minority they are treated respectfully by the dissenting majority. Generally no booing, no heckling, no demands to "go and join the Tories".

Just mentioning this because you would never guess that from much of the MSM coverage of Labour currently
Has there been MSM coverage of last night's Stoke Central Labour meeting contradicting Phil BC's interesting account of last night's Stoke Central meeting? I've not seen any. Does Stoke Central want an award for not harassing Labour party members who disagree with each other? It's not for nothing you've gone out of your way to report how 'generally speaking' anyone not supporting Jeremy Corbyn isn't getting heckled, told to go join Tories, booed or otherwise had a rough time for supporting Smith. I left the last Labour meeting I attended in tears.

Ours was last night and apparently voted Corbyn. Our MP is supporting Smith - I'd emailed to thank her for a very long email outlining exactly why she'd made that choice.
I also had an email just before the meeting to ask me to attend ( the implication was that Smith supporters were reluctant attendees )
I didn't go in the end. I really couldn't face it. I've had enough 'strong' language on local social media without risking the face to face kind. The 'online people' were attending and were pushing the event as 'deciding how we're all going to vote'.
It's not. The nomination meetings are not mandatory and really don't tell us anything other than that the people who show up are more likely to be Corbyn supporters.

I'm voting for Smith. The Labour party members I know socially, I'll include relatives in that, are all confirmed Smith voters.

I don't know how this is going to go. My feeling is that Corbyn will win. If he does, my resignation letter will go in. Not because of Corbyn himself but because of my experience of his more vocal supporters. I've been a Labour voter since Thatcher - I've dug into my pocket for each election campaign ( every week for Ed Milliband ) but I think I've reached the end . I'm shocked at how blummen' rude other Labour members have been and I'm tired of it.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:31 pm

So you're going to terminate your membership because of a few idiots on social media?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:31 pm

gilsey wrote:
PorFavor wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:I notice the BBC Breakfast team found Bradley Wiggins' pathetic tongue-pulling during the national anthem yesterday as a sign that he is a spirited wonderchild.
Can you expand, please? Was it some sort of protest? In which case, why did he accept a Sir-dom?
IIRC he said he accepted his knighthood to please his gran, who mainly brought him up. Fair enough imo.

I think my mother would have been pleased if I'd either become, or married, a multi-millionaire regardless of who had been trampled underfoot en route to multi-millionairedom.

ChrisDean · Post by **ChrisDean** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:32 pm

Re Bradley Wiggins

Just euphoria and release of tension, I think.

But we all know how these moments get malign misinterpretations from our beloved media.

Lost Soul · Post by **Lost Soul** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:33 pm

PorFavor wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:I notice the BBC Breakfast team found Bradley Wiggins' pathetic tongue-pulling during the national anthem yesterday as a sign that he is a spirited wonderchild.
Can you expand, please? Was it some sort of protest? In which case, why did he accept a Sir-dom?

No, he was just over excited. He noticed the camera zoom in on him and pulled a face. The rest of the team were in fits.
It was actually quite funny.

ohsocynical · Post by **ohsocynical** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:36 pm

CLP Nominations ‏@CLPNominations 49m49 minutes ago
Voteshare for each candidate by European Parliament constituency.

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tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:39 pm

To clarify.
My problem is not with Wiggins it is with the BBC.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:40 pm

(sigh at own inability to ever communicate as I intend emoticon)

frog222 · Post by **frog222** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 8:56 pm

Lost Soul wrote:
citizenJA wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:The blogger Phil BC has an interesting account of last night's Stoke Central meeting.

From that and reports from elsewhere I have seen, it seems that when even Smith supporters are a small minority they are treated respectfully by the dissenting majority. Generally no booing, no heckling, no demands to "go and join the Tories".

Just mentioning this because you would never guess that from much of the MSM coverage of Labour currently
Has there been MSM coverage of last night's Stoke Central Labour meeting contradicting Phil BC's interesting account of last night's Stoke Central meeting? I've not seen any. Does Stoke Central want an award for not harassing Labour party members who disagree with each other? It's not for nothing you've gone out of your way to report how 'generally speaking' anyone not supporting Jeremy Corbyn isn't getting heckled, told to go join Tories, booed or otherwise had a rough time for supporting Smith. I left the last Labour meeting I attended in tears.
Ours was last night and apparently voted Corbyn. Our MP is supporting Smith - I'd emailed to thank her for a very long email outlining exactly why she'd made that choice.
I also had an email just before the meeting to ask me to attend ( the implication was that Smith supporters were reluctant attendees )
I didn't go in the end. I really couldn't face it. I've had enough 'strong' language on local social media without risking the face to face kind. The 'online people' were attending and were pushing the event as 'deciding how we're all going to vote'.
It's not. The nomination meetings are not mandatory and really don't tell us anything other than that the people who show up are more likely to be Corbyn supporters.

I'm voting for Smith. The Labour party members I know socially, I'll include relatives in that, are all confirmed Smith voters.

I don't know how this is going to go. My feeling is that Corbyn will win. If he does, my resignation letter will go in. Not because of Corbyn himself but because of my experience of his more vocal supporters. I've been a Labour voter since Thatcher - I've dug into my pocket for each election campaign ( every week for Ed Milliband ) but I think I've reached the end . I'm shocked at how blummen' rude other Labour members have been and I'm tired of it.

I didn't go in the end. I really couldn't face it. I've had enough 'strong' language on local social media without risking the face to face kind.

Sticks and stones breaking no bones are a thought-possibility, dear Lost Soul,

for , words are just ... words

Being myself a formerly six-footer ( now shrunk with age to about 5'9 ! ) but still quite imposing, I'd have no prob meeting a few noisy Trots.

Sociologically and even journalistically speaking, I'd have prefered you to have gone to the meeting, just to really know if your worst fears actually happened !

PS A few idiots being 'blumming rude' does not negate any movement or 'idea shared ' .

We are surrounded by idiots .

They are the electorate FFS !

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Sat 13 Aug, 2016 9:27 pm

page about to change warning

anyone just watch Nadal's incredible (but failed) attempts to avoid elimination?