Tuesday 13th September 2016

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 6:08 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 38366.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

New child support system is unsafe for domestic abuse survivors, charities warn

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 6:47 pm

http://www.lse.ac.uk/newsAndMedia/news/ ... tCuts.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Government housing benefit cuts directly linked to rise in depression in low income households

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 6:49 pm

http://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/HO3PU/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Parliament would like to hear your views about your local park.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... rks-16-17/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 7:00 pm

Hello. I'm hoo-oome.

Oh - bye then.

(waves uncertainly)

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 7:01 pm

Hello

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 7:06 pm

Anthony Wells

Notional results for Provisional Boundary Recommendations 2016

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Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 7:06 pm

This guy was the Labour PPC for NE Somerset, up against Rees-Mogg:

https://twitter.com/todddforeman?lang=en-gb" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Todd Foreman
@ToddDForeman

Staunch Europhile, American-British, West Londoner (for now), former Labour PPC and Councillor but now SNP, lawyer, Schipperke dog owner, #TeamLGBT,

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 7:07 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... luxembourg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Luxembourg’s foreign minister says Hungary should be expelled for treating asylum seekers ‘worse than wild animals’

Human Rights Watch also called on Europe to use its “enforcement powers” against Budapest after documenting abuse of asylum seekers that it says breaches Hungary’s legal obligations under European and international law.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 7:10 pm

Theresa May should not trigger article 50 alone – formally starting the UK’s exit from the European Union – without “explicit parliamentary approval”, a parliamentary committee has warned.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -committee" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 7:17 pm

HindleA wrote:http://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/HO3PU/

Parliament would like to hear your views about your local park.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... rks-16-17/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's full of unicorn hugging, back stabbing, crypto-fascist liberal types .
(And their parents aren't much better)

edit: Well, usually, at the moment, seeing as the skies just gone black, i'm guessing it's probably empty.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 7:42 pm

Government redeploying 150 staff to work on tax credits,not extending contract to Concentrix.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 7:53 pm

tinybgoat wrote:
HindleA wrote:http://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/HO3PU/

Parliament would like to hear your views about your local park.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... rks-16-17/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
It's full of unicorn hugging, back stabbing, crypto-fascist liberal types .
(And their parents aren't much better)

edit: Well, usually, at the moment, seeing as the skies just gone black, i'm guessing it's probably empty.

Looks very ominous here, too (I haven't checked the park but I imagine it's pretty much the same). It's been sultry and dark all day and the TV reception has gone haywire. The weather forecast doesn't say it's going to be stormy, though.

@HindleA

I've seen your question, thanks - am ruminating!

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 8:14 pm

Anxiety about the BBC losing Bake Off reached Parliament as it emerged the corporation had offered £15 million a year to programme makers Love Productions, but Channel 4 had agreed to pay what is thought to have been a total of about £75 million in three annual £25 million instalments to secure the rights.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 59331.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 8:15 pm

HindleA wrote:Government redeploying 150 staff to work on tax credits,not extending contract to Concentrix.

Redeploying? Do you have a link, please?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 8:21 pm

Why bakeoffgate matters:

The loss of Bake Off is bad news for the BBC; it’s a sign of its failures, and an indication of its diminishing significance as a creative player in British broadcasting. No wonder Bake Off’s legion of crumb-strewn armchair fans feel bruised.

In the court of public opinion, this slip-up matters far more than any Government bun-fight over the future of the corporation and its well-paid flunkies. Viewers feel upset that the most watched television show of 2015 will move off the state broadcaster to a commercial entity – apart from having to sit through the adverts (which are also, it must be noted, a good opportunity put the kettle on) – even if they can’t quite put their finger on why.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gre ... 53236.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Like it or not - it's the stories that matter to people

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 8:24 pm

Apparently,May has ruled out further cuts to benefits in this Parliament.Of course,still means cuts via UC,abolishing AA,cutting CT support,cuts in bereavement allowances........

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 8:27 pm

PF looking,info via twitter journalist.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 8:27 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the ... 45661.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
In the late 1950s, large numbers of Chinese people became convinced sparrows were devouring grain seed and causing devastating famines.

All over China farmers and city folk alike began to persecute sparrows. They raided nests, killing chicks. They banged drums and cymbals to frighten the birds whenever they tried to land. The creatures eventually dropped out of the sky from exhaustion. The species was more or less wiped out in China.

But the anti-sparrow campaign was based on a lie. The birds were not the cause of China’s crop failures. In fact, the slaughter of the birds contributed to an insect blight which made the famine still worse.

The great Chinese sparrow persecution is a reminder that a population can passionately believe something that simply isn’t true.

On the other hand there's the Brezhnev/Nixon anecdote from the other day. Once the population believes the sparrows are the problem, you can't just tell them they're not. You've got to build the sparrow equivalent of the imaginary bridge over the imaginary river.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 8:28 pm

Or journalist on twitter.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 8:29 pm

It's. Too. Bleeding. Hot.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 8:33 pm

Decision as to Orgreave inquiry by end of October.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 8:36 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... es-cartoon" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?
Steve Bell, knowing his place on boundary changes.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 8:37 pm

Think of fuel bill savings.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 8:42 pm

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37351172" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
claim - boundary changes lose 2 million voters

is this piece effectively weighing up the pros and cons or is it simply impossible to follow?

You decide.
(and then let me know cos by the end I honestly couldn't tell)

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 8:51 pm

http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2016 ... ry-review/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?
Boundary changes could cost greens their only seat.

Any thoughts from our emerald friends?

Willow904 · Post by **Willow904** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 8:55 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:Why bakeoffgate matters:

The loss of Bake Off is bad news for the BBC; it’s a sign of its failures, and an indication of its diminishing significance as a creative player in British broadcasting. No wonder Bake Off’s legion of crumb-strewn armchair fans feel bruised.

In the court of public opinion, this slip-up matters far more than any Government bun-fight over the future of the corporation and its well-paid flunkies. Viewers feel upset that the most watched television show of 2015 will move off the state broadcaster to a commercial entity – apart from having to sit through the adverts (which are also, it must be noted, a good opportunity put the kettle on) – even if they can’t quite put their finger on why.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gre ... 53236.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Like it or not - it's the stories that matter to people

It's still free-to-view for heavens sake.

Some of us are facing losing F1 from C4 (still free, despite the pesky adverts) to Sky in a couple of years. Now they've put motor racing in with the Sky Sports bundle, I'd need to take out a small mortgage to carry on watching it.

I mean, it's just "Masterchef" with cakes. Change the food format and off you go - "Wok Wars"; "Celebrity pasta chef"; "The Great British Tikka Massala Stir off". Get someone who knows about cookery and tv to come up with the ideas, obviously, rather than me, but I'm sure the BBC will soon fill the 'Bake Off' void in its scheldules with something just as inexplicably popular.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 8:57 pm

https://www.arnoldsmithlaw.com/public-i ... nduct.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Most people are ed to hear that being drunk or intoxicated in public is not a crime.

somehow I doubt that

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 8:58 pm

And. My. Laptop. Is. Making. Me. Hotter.

tinybgoat · Post by **tinybgoat** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 9:01 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37351172" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
claim - boundary changes lose 2 million voters
is this piece effectively weighing up the pros and cons or is it simply impossible to follow?

You decide.
(and then let me know cos by the end I honestly couldn't tell)

I think that maybe It's not clear for me to follow, probably, though I could be mistaken, or possibly not.

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 9:18 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Yes, let's never forget that post-GE a significant part of the PLP "thought" Labour needed to go further to the right than ever before (*much* further right than Blair in the 1994-97 period) if they were to win elections. Many of them still do, indeed some have been loudly demanding "out UKIPing-UKIP" on immigration since June 23 (though the futility of that should be obvious to anybody with basic thinking faculties, and doesn't sit terribly well with the uncritical pro-EUism they were equally loudly demanding from Corbyn before then)

A significant minority of Labour MPs are not fit for purpose. They would genuinely be happier as lobbyists, or on quangoes, or in the "charity" sector. Let them go and do those things.

Which with names?

How many?

If I were, say, Chukka Umunna or Tristram Hunt or Caroline Flint (and many others) I'd quit too. They don't belong in a party led by Corbyn anymore than I do.

Tizme1 · Post by **Tizme1** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 9:47 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2016 ... ry-review/?
Boundary changes could cost greens their only seat.

Any thoughts from our emerald friends?

Lots of swear words. Tbh tinyclanger2, I don't know the ward make ups so can't really give a detailed analysis. I'm wondering how the changes to Clacton will affect Carswell's re election chances. From a Tory point of view, it would make sense to pick off the Green and UKIP MPs along with doing as much damage as possible to the Lib Dems and of course Labour. Labour of course are doing even more damage to themselves one way and another. Call me cynical if you like but any which way, the Tories win.

Caroline Lucas is an extremely good MP - something we need more of regardless of party. I'm hearing some comments that there is a fair bit of Green support in Hove but like I say, I don't know personally. She obviously has a very high profile so it could be doable. I would certainly be prepared to go and help campaign as and when I could.

The whole system is hugely frustrating to me - we need PR. By we, I don't just mean Greens. I mean the Country as a whole. For most of us our vote is pretty much worthless. From a purely Green perspective [or at least my Green perspective], by the time people realise the danger of climate change, it's probably going to be too late. All the rest doesn't matter when you take that on board. There is no Planet B!

Greetings all btw.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 10:25 pm

PorFavor wrote:
HindleA wrote:Government redeploying 150 staff to work on tax credits,not extending contract to Concentrix.
Redeploying? Do you have a link, please?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37356646" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 10:36 pm

DCLG Select Committee Evidence Session tomorrow morning.

http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... ill-16-17/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Reduction of Homelessness.Bill

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 13 Sep, 2016 11:45 pm

Either the literature is wrong and they do bite humans, or
They are not fruit flies, or
They think I am a piece of fruit.

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Wed 14 Sep, 2016 1:04 am

Tizme1 wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2016 ... ry-review/?
Boundary changes could cost greens their only seat.

Any thoughts from our emerald friends?
Caroline Lucas is an extremely good MP - something we need more of regardless of party. I'm hearing some comments that there is a fair bit of Green support in Hove but like I say, I don't know personally. She obviously has a very high profile so it could be doable. I would certainly be prepared to go and help campaign as and when I could.

Prior to the 2015 election, I went and helped phone bank for Peter Kyle in Hove. I can't tell you the times I was told that the Greens were hopeless in the City & that [the person on the phone] having voted Green in 2010, would never vote for them again.

I agree that Caroline Lucas is a good MP but she's a lone voice & locally is dismissed as being another on the gravy train because of her frequent trips abroad.

How much of what they say is true is not something that's easy to gauge - we've all said we'd never do something ever again yet find ourselves repeating it, regardless of our previous pledge

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 14 Sep, 2016 1:56 am

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... are_btn_tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

MPs deliver damning verdict on Cameron's Libya intervention

http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... hed-16-17/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 14 Sep, 2016 1:59 am

"This report determines that UK policy in Libya before and since the intervention of March 2011 was founded on erroneous assumptions and an incomplete understanding of the country and the situation.

Other political options were available. Political engagement might have delivered civilian protection, regime change and reform at a lesser cost to the UK and Libya. The UK would have lost nothing by trying these instead of focusing exclusively on regime change by military means.

Having led the intervention with France, we had a responsibility to support Libyan economic and political reconstruction. But our lack of understanding of the institutional capacity of the country stymied Libya’s progress in establishing security on the ground and absorbing financial and other resources from the international community.

The UK’s actions in Libya were part of an ill-conceived intervention, the results of which are still playing out today. The United Nations has brokered an inclusive Government of National Accord. If it fails, the danger is that Libya will sink into a full scale civil war to control territory and oil resources. The GNA is the only game in town and the international community has a responsibility to unite behind it."

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 14 Sep, 2016 2:30 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37348019" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Government data security slammed in new report

https://www.nao.org.uk/report/protectin ... __trashed/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 14 Sep, 2016 2:34 am

Outside in my jimjams,cup of tea,fag,enjoying the breeze and the starlit sky.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 14 Sep, 2016 2:40 am

that does it.
it's the kettle for me.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 14 Sep, 2016 2:44 am

I am a total tea-a-holic,gallons of the stuff.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 14 Sep, 2016 2:50 am

There are few things that aren't improved by a decent cup of tea.
Including a slice of cake.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 14 Sep, 2016 2:51 am

(have tea now to hand)
(cup of tea-enjoying emoticon)

Tizme1 · Post by **Tizme1** » Wed 14 Sep, 2016 3:00 am

pk1 wrote:
Tizme1 wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:http://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2016 ... ry-review/?
Boundary changes could cost greens their only seat.

Any thoughts from our emerald friends?
Caroline Lucas is an extremely good MP - something we need more of regardless of party. I'm hearing some comments that there is a fair bit of Green support in Hove but like I say, I don't know personally. She obviously has a very high profile so it could be doable. I would certainly be prepared to go and help campaign as and when I could.

Prior to the 2015 election, I went and helped phone bank for Peter Kyle in Hove. I can't tell you the times I was told that the Greens were hopeless in the City & that [the person on the phone] having voted Green in 2010, would never vote for them again.

I agree that Caroline Lucas is a good MP but she's a lone voice & locally is dismissed as being another on the gravy train because of her frequent trips abroad.

How much of what they say is true is not something that's easy to gauge - we've all said we'd never do something ever again yet find ourselves repeating it, regardless of our previous pledge

And yet Caroline increased her vote and majority. The Greens on Brighton Council suffered from Labour and Tories joining together to try and scupper everything they attempted. One of the many reasons why I am unlikely to ever vote Labour again.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 14 Sep, 2016 3:01 am

State of the (European) Union

Brussels insiders share frustration that national governments are reluctant to defend EU policies and complain that ministers lack EU knowledge, sometimes unaware when they say “something must be done”, that a policy already exists, or is being discussed.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/ ... ial-crisis" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

politicians today really are largely hopeless - but on the other hand who would want to be one in a world where you can expect daily online abuse and worse.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 14 Sep, 2016 3:04 am

My name is A,and I am a tea-a-holic.I started young as a baby when I ate a tea bag,one was never enough.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 14 Sep, 2016 3:10 am

nor should it be

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 14 Sep, 2016 3:14 am

Posting Anthony Wells notional results based on provisional changes again.

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"Brighton North" almost a three way split

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Wed 14 Sep, 2016 3:18 am

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 49716.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The Government has refused to rule out cutting or removing some workers’ rights when Britain leaves the European Union.

Senior members of Theresa May’s Cabinet have long advocated weakening employment protections. Liam Fox, the International Trade Secretary, in 2012 described some workplace rights as “unsustainable”, while Priti Patel, the International Development Secretary, said during the EU referendum campaign that there would be benefits to slashing the “burden” of EU employment legislation.

On the plus side we're taking our country back and returning it directly into the hands of the aristos and their mates who've been shafting us for more than 2000 years.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 14 Sep, 2016 3:24 am

Interesting that Paralympians were faster compared to Olympian counterparts.Liked the medals being made hearable according to gold,silver,bronze positioning.