Monday 17th October 2016

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 3:40 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Conservative councillor says EU support should be treason

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-3 ... ws_central" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He has already had the whip withdrawn on Guildford DC (which voted majority remain, btw)

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 3:57 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:Conservative councillor says EU support should be treason

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-3 ... ws_central" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
He has already had the whip withdrawn on Guildford DC (which voted majority remain, btw)

Trying to silence him! Bastards Lock them up too...

NonOxCol · Post by **NonOxCol** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 4:12 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Conservative councillor says EU support should be treason

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-3 ... ws_central" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And here's the PM's response:

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And we sink that bit lower.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 4:20 pm

Nick Pettigrew ‏@Nick_Pettigrew 6h6 hours ago

It gets worse. There's a Tory Councillor on Twitter called Dreadlock Holliday who wants to make it illegal to dislike cricket.

re ^^^ yes, TM's spokesman should have simply said "Don't be so ridiculous"

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 4:34 pm

David SchneiderVerified account
‏@davidschneider
Ironically, if the pound goes any lower, we may have to consider joining the Euro.

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AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 4:38 pm

NATION FEARS DRUG TEST WOULD REVEAL TRUMP NOT ON DRUGS

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz ... t-on-drugs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

:lol!:

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 5:02 pm

This one has always been a dickhead but really...

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 5:08 pm

Latest As I Please M.Rowson for Tribune.

https://martinrowson.wordpress.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 6:05 pm

Incidentally, regrading the Autumn Statement...

"Philip, you can't say this - these forecasts are terrible!"
"Well, Prime Minister, these are the ones given to me by the OBR"
"Over-rule them then!"
"I can't. Chote would resign due to political interference and that really wouldn't look good"
"I don't care. We need a bullish position. Who needs experts anyway?"
"Erm..."

Possible?

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 6:10 pm

Oh dear...

MEP Steven Woolfe quits UKIP

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37682828

A UKIP MEP who spent three nights in hospital after a row with a party colleague is quitting the party, saying it is in a "death spiral".

Steven Woolfe, who had been running to be the next leader, told the BBC there was "something rotten" in the party.

He also accused fellow MEP Mike Hookem of inflicting a "blow" to his face in the row at a party meeting.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 6:26 pm

The Governing Body of Durand have made documents available on their website.

http://www.durandacademy.com/our-school/governingbody/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The one really worth reading is Greg Martin's letter to David Cameron.

Accusations of collusion between govt minister and senior civil servant?
Between same senior civil servant and chair of the Public Accounts Committee?

Talk about messy!

55DegreesNorth · Post by **55DegreesNorth** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 6:46 pm

Evening folks,
My MP has a few words of praise for Corbyn.
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor ... n-12036376" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 7:16 pm

http://www.niesr.ac.uk/media" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

NIESR Press Release – No evidence Troubled Families Programme had any significant impact on key objectives, NIESR evaluation finds

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 7:23 pm

http://notthetreasuryview.blogspot.co.u ... olicy.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jonathan Portes

Troubled Families - anatomy of a policy disaster
[IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: This blog represents my personal view only: not that of NIESR or of the evaluation consortium led by Ecorys]

http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... ies-16-17/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

PAC evidence session Wednesday 14.30.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 7:26 pm

Evening, everyone. I can't remember if I've greeted the thread or not yet today.

Utterly exhausted from cleaning house today. Not only do I not like housework, I've developed a hypersensitivity to the accumulating dirt/dust in every space. I'm allergic to the dirt and dust. My eyes become red and running, my nose swells, my entire face and neck becomes red for a time. I check every ingredient labelled in list on products and food. I research chemical safety. My spouse suffers from asthma, so it's for us both.

I feel and look much better now. Thank you for reading this and your patience with me.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 7:45 pm

Apparently Dispatches at 8pm Channel 4 is about the Troubled Families Programme.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 7:50 pm

Believe in Brain

Ukip MEP Steven Woolfe quits party - the guardian
https://apple.news/AqUIxDh9pTNKbW-daHS7Nhw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 8:00 pm

http://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/ov ... story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Over 60s spark cow stampede on Minchinhampton Common by dangling carrots from their Nissan Micra

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 8:08 pm

Well.

Isabel Oakeshott
‏@IsabelOakeshott

I understand UKIP is £800k in debt and on brink of financial collapse. Three big donors withdrawing. Party leadership? Who'd want it!

Leaderless, rudderless, penniless.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 8:16 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Well.

Isabel Oakeshott
‏@IsabelOakeshott

I understand UKIP is £800k in debt and on brink of financial collapse. Three big donors withdrawing. Party leadership? Who'd want it!
Leaderless, rudderless, penniless.

It achieved its principle aim in life. Getting the Tories elected again.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 8:18 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Well.

Isabel Oakeshott
‏@IsabelOakeshott

I understand UKIP is £800k in debt and on brink of financial collapse. Three big donors withdrawing. Party leadership? Who'd want it!
Leaderless, rudderless, penniless.

Which pro-remain Conservative MPs are vulnerable to the boundary changes?

55DegreesNorth · Post by **55DegreesNorth** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 8:18 pm

I posted this link a while ago, but it didn't seem to resonate with anyone, which I think is a shame, as it really brings home the reality of what councils (not Tory ones, obvs) are facing. It's from Newcastle council, and invites you to find the £30M cuts they have to put in place next year.

http://www.letstalkbudget.org.uk/budget" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Needless to say, all the options are bleak.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 8:28 pm

I remember it 55DegreesNorth,yes,bleak.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 8:39 pm

Theresa May unveils £40 million fund to prevent homelessness in Britain - The Independent
https://apple.news/AWT6eTWphQKeit21vLsp3_g" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Warning: this article is likely to make your blood boil.

Mrs May said: "We know there is no single cause of homelessness [you're right Ms May, there isn't. But we do know there is one major cause] and those at risk can often suffer from complex issues such as domestic abuse, addiction, mental health issues or redundancy.

"So I believe it's time we changed our approach. We can no longer focus on tackling the symptoms and immediate consequences of homelessness. We need to put prevention at the heart of a new approach.

"As a first step towards this change, I'm announcing a new £40 million package to both prevent and tackle the causes of homelessness. This will include £20 million for local authorities to pilot innovative initiatives to tackle the causes of homelessness - helping to find solutions for families and individuals before they reach crisis point."

And how, exactly, is local government going to change the national government policies that are that major cause of homelessness? This isn't a problem that local government can prevent because it's a problem that national government - your government, Ms May - deliberately created. How the fuck can local government fix this?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 8:49 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... ince-cable" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Theresa May was personally responsible for stalling talks on an EU free trade deal with India, because she was obsessed with controlling immigration, according to former business secretary Vince Cable.

Prof Anand Menon, director of thinktank UK in a Changing Europe, said it was naive to think that once Britain has left new trade deals would be easy to strike. He said: “The fact of the matter is, in some circumstances, the EU’s not the stumbling block – we are.”

Britmageddon

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 9:00 pm

You've been and gone and done it again, haven't you?

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 9:01 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 66316.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
UK Government agreed referendum could not be not legally binding

Senior Conservative MPs have seized on a forgotten Government promise to let Parliament decide the response to any referendum result – insisting it must hold true for Brexit.

Amidst everything else am getting irritated by incompetence

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 9:03 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 65526.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Britain has lost its place as one of the world’s top investment destinations in the wake of the Brexit vote, according to a survey of 1,700 leading business executives. The UK has fallen to seventh on the list, the first time it has failed to make the top five.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 9:04 pm

@tinyclanger2

It's like being the Ingrid Bergman character in "Gaslight" trying to react to your posts.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 9:09 pm

I'm like quicksilver.
(but also saw at the last minute a note on the picture saying i needed to pay to use it ...)

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 9:11 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:I'm like quicksilver.
(but also saw at the last minute a note on the picture saying i needed to pay to use it ...)

Yes - I'd guessed that was it.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 9:13 pm

: dan's constituents.jpg (64.69 KiB) Viewed 7842 times

http://www.davidgriesing.com/lemmings/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

spotted some wellwishers as I came back from Brussels - got to admire the British spirit! #Brexitviews
Dan

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 9:14 pm

there you go PF

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 9:25 pm

55DegreesNorth wrote:I posted this link a while ago, but it didn't seem to resonate with anyone, which I think is a shame, as it really brings home the reality of what councils (not Tory ones, obvs) are facing. It's from Newcastle council, and invites you to find the £30M cuts they have to put in place next year.

http://www.letstalkbudget.org.uk/budget" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Needless to say, all the options are bleak.

It's a very good way to illustrate the issue. However, forgive the cliche, it's the online equivalent of shipping coal to Newcastle. The people who use it will either already be aware of the problem or they will be Tories and they won't care that cutting the budget for e.g. libraries and museums means they have to close or e.g. cutting Adult services will cause major problems because they're 'grown ups and it's their own fault if they aren't billionaires by now'. So, sadly, the only impact it'll have is a lot of rage that has no outlet and a lot of heartless indifference that'll have the opposite effect.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 9:25 pm

British workers aren't lazy. They just have standards – and rightly so
Brits don't want to work 80-hour weeks to help make millionaires richer – and who can blame them?

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/british-worker ... so-1586804#" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(If you can get the page to stay still long enough to read it, this is a good rant)

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 9:46 pm

Yet, the British (non-)worker will still be stupid enough to believe that it's the immigrants at fault for their predicament rather than the Poskitts or Olivers.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 9:51 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:NATION FEARS DRUG TEST WOULD REVEAL TRUMP NOT ON DRUGS

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz ... t-on-drugs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

White House ridicules Trump for 'snorting his way through debates' then calling for drug test - The Independent
https://apple.news/AWU2iz6QjR72Mn7Ko7D3Nqw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trying to decide which has been worse, this presidential election campaign or the referendum campaign.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 9:59 pm

Loved the SNL sketch of the town hall presidential debate, Baldwin has Trump to a tee. Hoping Tem's prediction proves wrong wrt the Donald.

BTW, how was DeGea not motm?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 10:05 pm

JonnyT1234 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:NATION FEARS DRUG TEST WOULD REVEAL TRUMP NOT ON DRUGS

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz ... t-on-drugs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

White House ridicules Trump for 'snorting his way through debates' then calling for drug test - The Independent
https://apple.news/AWU2iz6QjR72Mn7Ko7D3Nqw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trying to decide which has been worse, this presidential election campaign or the referendum campaign.

I look upon them both with equal amounts of horror.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 10:07 pm

I have the best of British #Brexitviews from my kitchen window. I really enjoy watching the sparrows feeding at the bird table every morning.
Dan the Hannan

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 10:17 pm

citizenJA wrote:
JonnyT1234 wrote:
AngryAsWell wrote:NATION FEARS DRUG TEST WOULD REVEAL TRUMP NOT ON DRUGS

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz ... t-on-drugs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

White House ridicules Trump for 'snorting his way through debates' then calling for drug test - The Independent
https://apple.news/AWU2iz6QjR72Mn7Ko7D3Nqw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trying to decide which has been worse, this presidential election campaign or the referendum campaign.
I look upon them both with equal amounts of horror.

Where America leads, the Tories follow 4 years later. The 2020 campaign was already destined to be grim. Hard to have any hope now that it'll be anything other than utterly dismal.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 10:23 pm

Conservative Government accused of 'waging war' on Parliament by forcing through key law changes without debate
Ministers have used statutory instrument procedure to try and introduce new laws without debate in the Commons

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 20176.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 10:31 pm

UK Government agreed referendum could not be not legally binding
Exclusive: Only six years ago, ministers agreed that referendums “cannot be legally binding” – so MPs and peers should decide “whether or not to take action”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 66316.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 10:51 pm

'Boris Johnson' registered as candidate in the US elections on platform of reuniting British Empire

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bo ... ns-9066385" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

someone submitted an application to be listed as an official candidate in the election under the name "JOHNSON, BORIS DE PFEFFEL RT. HON. MP" to the American Federal Elections Commission (FEC).

The form names his campaign team as the Committee to Take Back the British Empire Starting With America.

Alongside the two main candidates and major third party candidates like Libertarian Gary Johnson, you'll find such names as Dirty Cockroach, Uncle Touchy The Paedophile Serial Killer Clown, Master Alexander Soy Sauce and Taters Gordh First and His Majesty Satan Lord of Underworld Prince of Darkness.

JonnyT1234 · Post by **JonnyT1234** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 10:54 pm

At least 3 of those are Donald Trump again, aren't they?

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 10:56 pm

Speech by President Donald Tusk at the European Policy Centre conference

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press ... peech-epc/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(Near the end....)

This scenario will in the first instance be painful for Britons. In fact, the words uttered by one of the leading campaigners for Brexit and proponents of the "cake philosophy" was pure illusion: that one can have the EU cake and eat it too. To all who believe in it, I propose a simple experiment. Buy a cake, eat it, and see if it is still there on the plate.

The brutal truth is that Brexit will be a loss for all of us. There will be no cakes on the table. For anyone. There will be only salt and vinegar. If you ask me if there is any alternative to this bad scenario, I would like to tell you that yes, there is. And I think it is useless to speculate about "soft Brexit" because of all the reasons I've mentioned. These would be purely theoretical speculations. In my opinion, the only real alternative to a "hard Brexit" is "no Brexit". Even if today hardly anyone believes in such a possibility. We will conduct the negotiations in good faith, defend the interests of the EU 27, minimise the costs and seek the best possible deal for all. But as I have said before, I am afraid that no such outcome exists that will benefit either side. Of course it is and can only be for the UK to assess the outcome of the negotiations and determine if Brexit is really in their interest. Paraphrasing Hannah Arendt's words: "a full understanding of all the consequences of the political process is the only way to reverse the irreversible flow of history". Thank you.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 11:08 pm

HindleA wrote:'Boris Johnson' registered as candidate in the US elections on platform of reuniting British Empire

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bo ... ns-9066385" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

someone submitted an application to be listed as an official candidate in the election under the name "JOHNSON, BORIS DE PFEFFEL RT. HON. MP" to the American Federal Elections Commission (FEC).

The form names his campaign team as the Committee to Take Back the British Empire Starting With America.

Alongside the two main candidates and major third party candidates like Libertarian Gary Johnson, you'll find such names as Dirty Cockroach, Uncle Touchy The Paedophile Serial Killer Clown, Master Alexander Soy Sauce and Taters Gordh First and His Majesty Satan Lord of Underworld Prince of Darkness.

I'm not checking out the Mirror to find out if it's satire or a joke. I know anything mad thing is possible.

I'm reading some of the comments below the line Elsewhere regarding UK/EU citizens resident here, other EU countries and
uncertainty. This Tory government will fix it so their City financiers and elite assorted get exactly what they want, they'll be
free to go where they like and regular people won't. It scares the hell out of me. Tory government play fast and loose with
citizenship, responsibilities and privilege.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 11:28 pm

Guardian on Troubled Families Programme

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -thinktank" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry for slight obsession but from initial mooting it was bollox,not least for the "inconsitency" of where the number came from.

"that the government was taking a set of families who were undeniably poor and disadvantaged, and redefining them – without a shred of evidence – as dysfunctional and antisocial."

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 17 Oct, 2016 11:41 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

seeingclearly · Post by **seeingclearly** » Tue 18 Oct, 2016 3:19 am

Exactly HindleA, in fact have difficulty recalling any policy or legislation that didn't have the same problem. Being utter bollox, I mean. Would be interested to hear of anything that people thought might have had some merit. Or maybe everyone felt the same?

But parliament was steamrollered successfully as the merry old dance went on accompanied by the media singers. (Reminds me of the completely dreamed up and inauthentic raggy morris dancers and their made up folk songs who used to get the sunday pub visitors going not far from here. Oh how they were clapped and cheered.) Wonder how many of the taken in will ever admit to having been wrong, there was enough of them to win (?) an election.