Tuesday 1st November 2016

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 2:41 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:Anyway, looking like some more "interesting" stuff might be coming out about Trump. Just as he was gaining in the polls again......

Got any links AK?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 2:44 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/po ... .html?_r=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's the New York Times

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 2:52 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

One in four care home beds at risk without funding increase, providers say

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 2:57 pm

https://makingrightsmakesense.wordpress ... nnovation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

All eyes on the ‘pipeline of innovation’

Paras 130-137 of the Green Paper are opaque to say the least, but under the rubric of ‘personalisation’ appear to envisage some people who might presently be assessed as falling into the Support Group being subject to some degree of conditionality.

‘establishing entitlement to financial support could still be decided by an assessment, but that assessment could be used solely to determine whether an individual should get additional financial support. Decisions on whether someone should engage with Jobcentre Plus or specialist programmes could then be made through a separate process. This would avoid the current situation where someone’s entitlement to additional financial support can also result in them being given no employment support.’

That appears to separate the question of how much money a person should receive – which would I assume be an assessment based on common criteria – from whether they should be under any obligations to engage with job centre plus, which would be on a case by case basis (‘personalised’) and at the discretion of a ‘Work Coach.’ Conditionality and sanctions are not mentioned by name, but the section refers to ‘requirements’ and to ‘safeguards’, neither of which indicate voluntary participation.

, the benefits reform cart has long zoomed way ahead of the increasing employment opportunity horse. Again here, the timeline for implementation the Green Paper’s proposals puts reforms to the benefits system at the front of the queue. While claiming that there was nothing in the Green Paper involving more cuts to the benefits budget, Penny Mourdant, Minister for Disabled People, also said this morning that the government hoped that they might be able to legislate to reform the WCA ‘during this Parliament.’ As others more knowledgeable about the WCA than me have pointed out – the government doesn’t really need legislation to reform the WCA. What seems to be on the cards then is legislation reform the current provisions that make up ESA, so opening up the scope for deeper cuts in the next Parliament.

The government’s apparent good intentions to ‘halve the disability employment gap’ cannot be allowed to obscure the ineffectiveness of its proposals to do so, or to mask any duplicity regarding the true purpose of its actions. I promise to contribute towards this debate with an open mind, but on first reading I’m afraid an even worse deal for disabled people seems to be coming down the pipeline.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 2:58 pm

Tax-avoidance Gibraltar firm behind anti-EU campaign group
Leave.EU, supported by Ukip and financed by a multimillionaire, vies to lead Britain’s exit from Europe

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... e-leave-eu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 3:02 pm

HindleA wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/po ... .html?_r=0

Here's the New York Times

Ah, thanks.

I see there's also this

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ussia.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Post by **adam** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 3:04 pm

StephenDolan wrote:
HindleA wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/po ... .html?_r=0

Here's the New York Times
Ah, thanks.

I see there's also this

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ussia.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

These two stories were both around and about last night though...

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 3:05 pm

Yeah, but only really registering now perhaps?

Rumours there might be more stories like this to come, though.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 3:09 pm

Maybe Donald Trump isn't what we think he is. Maybe he's a long term piece of performance art, and has been a sleeper for thirty years.

If he wins next week he may pull off the mask and reveal that everything he's ever done has been satire designed to see how far America would go.

Well, one can dream. The truth is just so depressing.

Post by **adam** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 3:11 pm

yahyah wrote:Maybe Donald Trump isn't what we think he is. Maybe he's a long term piece of performance art, and has been a sleeper for thirty years.

If he wins next week he may pull off the mask and reveal that everything he's ever done has been satire and embarrass America.

Well, one can dream. The truth is just so depressing.

I try not to do conspiracy, but the only extreme thing I have wondered is maybe the FBI letter to congress was sent because now they will have to talk out loud about anything to do with Trump that they have going on too.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 3:22 pm

Brexit-backing hedge fund chief: The UK is now 'destined' for a recession and higher inflation
Ben Moshinsky and Rachael Levy

http://uk.businessinsider.com/crispin-o ... ?r=US&IR=T" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Vultures picking over the dead body of the UK.

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 3:34 pm

On The Media have been doing great podcasts for quite some time. Their poverty tour ones are essential listening. A signpost to where we are heading.

http://www.wnyc.org/shows/otm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 4:33 pm

For any Android users, https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... mmonsvotes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was flagged up at the other place as a handy app for easy access to who voted for/against in the Commons. Updates swiftly too.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 4:33 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... s#comments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Disabled people have every reason to be sceptical about new Tory work plans
Frances Ryan

StephenDolan · Post by **StephenDolan** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 4:33 pm

For any Android users, https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... mmonsvotes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was flagged up at the other place as a handy app for easy access to who voted for/against in the Commons. Updates swiftly too.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 4:35 pm

https://www.leighday.co.uk/News/News-20 ... t-into-dea" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Submissions from lawyers call for inquest into death of ex-soldier who died following benefits sanction

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 5:46 pm

StephenDolan wrote:For any Android users, https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... mmonsvotes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

was flagged up at the other place as a handy app for easy access to who voted for/against in the Commons. Updates swiftly too.

I saw the ipad/iphone link earlier but couldn't find the app on android so thanks for the link

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 6:36 pm

Personal anecdote time. (Sorry!)

My shopping was delivered today. I opt for "no substitution" but certain staples (in this case milk) they deliver an alternative anyway. Now, I have stated quite clearly, both via the internet and by 'phone to the store not to bring the big 4ltr bottles instead of the 2ltr because I can't lift them. Go smaller, if necessary, not bigger.

Anyway, the delivery man arrived and guess what? I said he'd need to return them because etc etc etc. I made a point of telling him that it wasn't his fault and it was all very amicable.

Half an hour later, there was a knock at the door. He'd only been to the local shop and bought me some milk! He refused to accept payment from me and just kept repeating that he couldn't leave me without milk.

Truly a good and kind man. Faith in human nature restored.

Edited to insert a space.

God, that was a marathon ramble, wasn't it?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 6:39 pm

@PorFavor
Thank you.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 7:06 pm

AnatolyKasparov wrote:The polls simply demonstrate why media reform is urgently required IMO.

Indeed. Why Miliband needed to and couldn't win. Our press/BBC - how much further can we get as a "civilised nation" before we resolve this. Agree something needs to be done. Am a fan in principle of consumer campaigning. Sense about science http://senseaboutscience.org/activities ... th-debate/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; are one campaigning organization dealing with press ludicrousness but not sure how far it goes. Perhaps there are others also.

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 7:11 pm

Suprise!

Liam Fox's attempt to secure pre-Brexit deal with EU suffers setback (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... pean-union

SpinningHugo · Post by **SpinningHugo** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 7:12 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:The polls simply demonstrate why media reform is urgently required IMO.
Indeed. Why Miliband needed to and couldn't win. Our press/BBC - how much further can we get as a "civilised nation" before we resolve this. Agree something needs to be done. Am a fan in principle of consumer campaigning. Sense about science http://senseaboutscience.org/activities ... th-debate/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; are one campaigning organization dealing with press ludicrousness but not sure how far it goes. Perhaps there are others also.

And the lesson from this?

Mine is that Labour needs to win in the actual world, rather than in some fantasy world that we would prefer to live in.

Those who put Labour and the left in this position are trying to absolve themselves by blaming the media.

Shame on them.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 7:15 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:The polls simply demonstrate why media reform is urgently required IMO.
Indeed. Why Miliband needed to and couldn't win. Our press/BBC - how much further can we get as a "civilised nation" before we resolve this. Agree something needs to be done. Am a fan in principle of consumer campaigning. Sense about science http://senseaboutscience.org/activities ... th-debate/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; are one campaigning organization dealing with press ludicrousness but not sure how far it goes. Perhaps there are others also.

And the lesson from this?

Mine is that Labour needs to win in the actual world, rather than in some fantasy world that we would prefer to live in.

Those who put Labour and the left in this position are trying to absolve themselves by blaming the media.

Shame on them.

Which of the ten pledges are not "actual world" policies then?

• Full employment and an economy that works for all

• A secure homes guarantee

• Security at work

• Secure our NHS and social care

• A national education service, open to all

• Action to secure our environment

• Put the public back into our economy and services

• Cut income and wealth inequality

• Action to secure an equal society

• Peace and justice at the heart of foreign policy

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 7:16 pm

Is there anything in the ten that Wilson, for example, would have been uncomfortable with?

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 7:17 pm

And remember I'm not a Corbynista. I just quite like the policies.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 7:22 pm

SpinningHugo wrote:
If you think the BBC is stuff full of rightwingers, you don't know the people who work there.

Erm. I don't think all 21,000 of them will be the same.

It brings to mind (at least mine) that that's about twice as many BBC employees as there are citizens of St Ives.

Post by **PaulfromYorkshire** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 7:24 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
If you think the BBC is stuff full of rightwingers, you don't know the people who work there.
Erm. I don't think all 21,000 of them will be the same.

It brings to mind (at least mine) that that's about twice as many BBC employees as there are citizens of St Ives.

But how many were going to St Ives?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 7:26 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
If you think the BBC is stuff full of rightwingers, you don't know the people who work there.
Erm. I don't think all 21,000 of them will be the same.

It brings to mind (at least mine) that that's about twice as many BBC employees as there are citizens of St Ives.
But how many were going to St Ives?

Beat me to it!

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 7:31 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 90836.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Facebook users less likely to die, says major study conducted by social network on 12 million people

right.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 7:32 pm

have been having a bit of a seethe about overbooking on flights. it's immoral. why is it legal? And how much does it cost other businesses in lost hours because their staff can't get to work/business meetings etc. has anyone looked?

PorFavor · Post by **PorFavor** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 7:40 pm

tinyclanger2 wrote:have been having a bit of a seethe

That's so unlike you.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 7:45 pm

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote:
SpinningHugo wrote:
If you think the BBC is stuff full of rightwingers, you don't know the people who work there.
Erm. I don't think all 21,000 of them will be the same.

It brings to mind (at least mine) that that's about twice as many BBC employees as there are citizens of St Ives.
But how many were going to St Ives?

Oh very good.

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 7:46 pm

PorFavor wrote:
PaulfromYorkshire wrote:
tinyclanger2 wrote: Erm. I don't think all 21,000 of them will be the same.

It brings to mind (at least mine) that that's about twice as many BBC employees as there are citizens of St Ives.
But how many were going to St Ives?
Beat me to it!

Ditto

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 7:53 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/science/201 ... y-suggests" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Human brain is predisposed to negative stereotypes, new study suggests
Brain responds more strongly to information about unfavourably portrayed groups, offering clues as to how prejudice emerges and spreads, research shows

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 8:12 pm

not so good

Some forecasters said the pound may reach or fall below parity with the dollar. This is the first time anyone has made that forecast in more than 20 years of Reuters polls on the currency.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 90626.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

tinyclanger2 · Post by **tinyclanger2** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 8:54 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/peopl ... 91701.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Stephen Hawking might be one of the world’s most celebrated scientists worldwide but he has confessed that even he is not cut out to tackle Brexit.

The physicist, cosmologist and professor made the announcement while receiving an award from Theresa May at the Pride of Britain Awards on Monday night.

After the Prime Minister presented him with a lifetime achievement award at the event, Hawking said withdrawing Britain from the European Union was too difficult a task for even him to address.

Don't worry Stephen - we have the three Brexiteers!

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 9:54 pm

Tory rebellion over cuts to sick and disabled benefits

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/pol ... -benefits/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tory's are now their own opposition

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 10:03 pm

Guardian
Business live
Pound could fall to $1.15 as City accepts reality of Brexit, says BAML – as it happened

WulfrunianInGermany
13h ago

"Reuniting the country and the government would be nice, but there's no hope of that now: the divisions are too deep, and likely to
get deeper, with bitter recriminations about Brexit dominating politics for years, maybe decades to come, with nobody satisfied by its
outcome.

The UK blew it when Cameron was re-elected in 2015: the country would never have been in this present mess if Miliband (with all
his flaws) had got in and scuppered the whole damaging austerity-and-referendum approach of the Tories. I despaired of the UK
when that happened..."

https://discussion.theguardian.com/comm ... k/86571001" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

https://www.theguardian.com/business/li ... e#comments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

(my emphasis)

Apologies for quoting from Another Source of commentary, the writing here is good, none better, but I found the quote above and wanted to write a little about why I've posted it. I'd read it after a hard, discouraging day and felt gratitude. I'm still discouraged and the nights are longer than days. There's consolation reading another knowing about when the UK made a collective mistake by not returning a Labour government. I'll not argue with any friends here about this, I intend no controversy or offence making this observation and posting a link to another's post. There's no going back now. I hold no transmuter in my hand. I wrote about the transmuter on another FlyTheNest thread, not politics. Nonetheless, I'm very sorry we didn't choose a different path and mourn the loss of time and lives.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 10:11 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Tory rebellion over cuts to sick and disabled benefits

Read more at: https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/pol ... -benefits/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Tory's are now their own opposition

(cJA bold)

I've noticed that more than once too. I think that happens in human societal arrangements.
A homogeneous group creates a splinter formation when external conflict isn't forthcoming.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 10:17 pm

Goodnight, everyone.
love,
cJA

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 10:23 pm

Good grief...

More Ukip activists should become teachers to influence 'young minds', leader candidate Suzanne Evans says

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 92081.html

Suzanne Evans, who is currently the party’s deputy chair, told a gathering of Ukip activists that “young minds are formed in schools” and that more of the party’s supporters should enter the profession.

She proposed that Ukip-aligned teachers conduct a programme of entryism into the National Union of Teachers (NUT) with a view to making sure more teachers having contact with children were “good ‘kippers”.

Another leadership candidate, London Assembly member Peter Whittle, also told the same meeting that the law should be changed so that “every school has a union jack and a picture of the Queen”.

Asked about how she would increase the level of patriotism amongst the British public, Ms Evans told activists: “I think I’d like to start, actually – because young minds are formed in schools – with our national curriculum

“It doesn’t teach you to be proud of Britain anymore. It doesn’t teach you about the great advances that we’ve made as a country. It seems to teach about the negative stuff .

“It talks about the salve trade but forgets to talk about the amazing role that Brits had in actually abolishing it and getting rid of it. It doesn’t talk about the wonders of the industrial revolution, it doesn’t talk about how we built railways all over the world, it doesn’t talk about some of our great British people like Shakespeare … in a sense that they are British. It seems to treat him as some global playwright who came from nowhere in particular.

Bunch of utter loons.

Thankfully they'll be nowhere implementing anything like this.

Incidentally, she clearly hasn't realised that those topics are taught in secondary schools - 60%+ of which are academies and can ignore the NC...

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 10:29 pm

Pharma and aerospace seek Brexit assurances after Nissan deal

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britai ... KKBN12V1Q2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 10:44 pm

Freedom of Information victory lifts veil of academy secrecy

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/education/f ... cial_icons" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 10:57 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Freedom of Information victory lifts veil of academy secrecy

http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/education/f ... cial_icons" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I saw that this morning but was heading off to the library which is why it never got posted.

I failed as your edu correspondent - my resignation letter will be on the desk in the morning.

They really do not like openness do they - this is what having the civil service running education looks like. "You don't have to know".

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 11:02 pm

I've pointed out on that Twitter when things like this get posted that Sir Humphrey would be so pleased...

Post by **adam** » Tue 01 Nov, 2016 11:11 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:Good grief...

More Ukip activists should become teachers to influence 'young minds', leader candidate Suzanne Evans says

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 92081.html

Suzanne Evans, who is currently the party’s deputy chair, told a gathering of Ukip activists that “young minds are formed in schools” and that more of the party’s supporters should enter the profession.

She proposed that Ukip-aligned teachers conduct a programme of entryism into the National Union of Teachers (NUT) with a view to making sure more teachers having contact with children were “good ‘kippers”.

Another leadership candidate, London Assembly member Peter Whittle, also told the same meeting that the law should be changed so that “every school has a union jack and a picture of the Queen”.

Asked about how she would increase the level of patriotism amongst the British public, Ms Evans told activists: “I think I’d like to start, actually – because young minds are formed in schools – with our national curriculum

“It doesn’t teach you to be proud of Britain anymore. It doesn’t teach you about the great advances that we’ve made as a country. It seems to teach about the negative stuff .

“It talks about the salve trade but forgets to talk about the amazing role that Brits had in actually abolishing it and getting rid of it. It doesn’t talk about the wonders of the industrial revolution, it doesn’t talk about how we built railways all over the world, it doesn’t talk about some of our great British people like Shakespeare … in a sense that they are British. It seems to treat him as some global playwright who came from nowhere in particular.
Bunch of utter loons.

Thankfully they'll be nowhere implementing anything like this.

Incidentally, she clearly hasn't realised that those topics are taught in secondary schools - 60%+ of which are academies and can ignore the NC...

The word 'UKIP' is used by the kids in my school as a term of abuse - one considered as a serious insult.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Wed 02 Nov, 2016 1:16 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37838087" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Inflation 'set to soar to 4% by late 2017'

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... -gdp-niesr" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;