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SpinningHugo wrote:mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/794876532799848448

Here he is.

What a pro.

I'd have done worse. I'm glad he's not pandering to their demands. Labour has tried keeping them onside and they do things like threaten to reveal details of Gordon Brown's children. Fuck them

What's the view from that moral high ground like again?

Obviously I will never know.

First hand.

Womble44 wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote:mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/794876532799848448

Here he is.

What a pro.

I'd have done worse. I'm glad he's not pandering to their demands. Labour has tried keeping them onside and they do things like threaten to reveal details of Gordon Brown's children. Fuck them

Well exactly. But we wouldn't want a day to go by without a pop at Corbyn now would we?

Corbyn, Burgon, Cooper all saying pretty much the same thing. Sensible, principled opposition. Making trouble for May. Good on them.

It's obviously very emotive, but I do agree with Temalkur's point that with issues this serious people need to face up to what is happening. As I said at the time Labour lost my vote that day because I am not willing to even tangentially be part of it. I agree with their domestic policies, so it's a shame that I can't vote for them, but that's how it goes.

tinyclanger2 wrote:Obviously I will never know.

Personally I don't think anyone who still supports Saving Labour has the faintest inkling of what morality is. SL are certainly not moral; they are complicit in child murder, deliberately doing nothing so that evil can prosper - to support them is immoral by every definition of the word.

Might be worth pointing out that journalists haven't been particularly scepitical of this whole snap GE stuff given that we're in Fixed Term Parliament land.

Maybe they should focus on how that would work rather than insisting on Corbyn tell us what he thinks about an early election?

Just a thought.

Womble44 wrote:It's obviously very emotive, but I do agree with Temalkur's point that with issues this serious people need to face up to what is happening. As I said at the time Labour lost my vote that day because I am not willing to even tangentially be part of it. I agree with their domestic policies, so it's a shame that I can't vote for them, but that's how it goes.

What good does not voting Labour do given the electoral system currently in place?

I would like a cup of tea stirring emoticon please.

tinyclanger2 wrote:I would like a cup of tea stirring emoticon please.

I'd like one of someone throwing a fishing line out with bait on hoping to catch something...

This is us. Destined to split into increasingly small groups that can never have any real influence. Unless we build into an effective coalition. Which we can't because we're destined to split into ....

(should add have nothing to do with Saving Labour)

tinyclanger2 wrote:This is us. Destined to split into increasingly small groups that can never have any real influence. Unless we build into an effective coalition. Which we can't because we're destined to split into ....

(should add have nothing to do with Saving Labour)

It doesn't have to be this way
Let's not split apart
Stay together, it the only way to keep everyone standing

citizenJA wrote:

Womble44 wrote:It's obviously very emotive, but I do agree with Temalkur's point that with issues this serious people need to face up to what is happening. As I said at the time Labour lost my vote that day because I am not willing to even tangentially be part of it. I agree with their domestic policies, so it's a shame that I can't vote for them, but that's how it goes.

What good does not voting Labour do given the electoral system currently in place?

By voting Labour - espescially by voting for one of the SL murderers - you give succour to their sordid warped world view and sense of self. What good does supporting a crime against humanity do? You cannot dismiss what they have done, its like saying Hitler buillt the autobahns to dismiss the holocaust.

There is no nuance, no shades of grey it is purely about right and wrong good and evil. And if you stand on the side of evil - like Hugo unashamedly does - I will call you out.

I will speak out, because one day humanity will look back on these times, one day history will sit in judgement on us all, I will not be found wanting. I will not turn my back on my fellow man. I will not be labelled a criminal by future generations, because all I gave a shit about was uber, or the price of fucking marmite, or Ed smegging Balls dancing on Stricktly whilst babies starved to death or are killed by british bombs. All because the PLP don't like their leader and figured ssticking it to him was worth the cost in brown babies lives.

Temulkar - why don't you call Hugo out 1:1 (pm) rather than subject all of us to it?
Just a thought.

tinyclanger2 wrote:Temulkar - why don't you call Hugo out 1:1 (pm) rather than subject all of us to it?
Just a thought.

Because its not just Hugo is it, its everyone on here who supports SL, who would rather snipe at corbyn than face up to what they are supporting.

Im not brushing children dying under the carpet to protect your sensibilities, Im afraid, that would be the very definition of turniing my back, doing nothing, allowing evil to prosper.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... l-watchers" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Specter of election day violence looms as Trump spurs vigilante poll watchers
Advocates say US faces ‘midnight hour of our democracy’ as militia members and neo-Nazi groups take Donald Trump’s claims of ballot rigging seriously

I grew up knowing to avoid unattended bags and worried about nuclear bombs.
But this stuff is much scarier. Or perhaps, again, it's just age.

You're not offending my sensibilities. Amazingly I'm bothered by this too. I just see more effective ways than dropping in here sporadically to tell us how shit we all are.

tinyclanger2 wrote:You're not offending my sensibilities. Amazingly I'm bothered by this too. I just see more effective ways than dropping in here sporadically to tell us how shit we all are.

I also post about other things and am here most days, so hardly ''dropping in here sporadically'' thank you very much. And Im not telling everyone their shit, just the shits who support the murder of children by doing nothing. If you're one of ythose shits then me telling you your shit is justified, and if you're not one of those shits, then Im not telling you you're shit.

citizenJA wrote:

Womble44 wrote:It's obviously very emotive, but I do agree with Temalkur's point that with issues this serious people need to face up to what is happening. As I said at the time Labour lost my vote that day because I am not willing to even tangentially be part of it. I agree with their domestic policies, so it's a shame that I can't vote for them, but that's how it goes.

What good does not voting Labour do given the electoral system currently in place?

If they aren't willing to try and stop it, what's the point? I feel strongly about this and can't support these policies. I know some MPs were concerned about defence industry jobs, but that's a position I can't defend.

Basically, how many people should I be comfortable being killed to support my ideological views?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 99371.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
UK trade with India to suffer 'double hit' after Brexit says business chief
Eurosceptics argue leaving EU will improve relations with Commonwealth *

Ficci’s secretary general, Alwyn Didar Singh, said the Brexit vote would “obviously” have negative consequences for the hundreds of Indian businesses that currently operate in the country.

https://commonwealth-opinion.blogs.sas. ... monwealth/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
* Before the poll, the uniform message from the other leaders of the 53-member association had been a desire for Britain to remain a member of the EU. To the Commonwealth, Britain was a powerful and privileged member within the EU trading bloc, with considerable opportunities for diplomatic leverage in broader Commonwealth interests.

Last time you dropped in to tell me that using the Latimer-coined phrase "flounce the nest" was snide. It gets tiresome.
Apologies to everyone - including Temulkar - for seeming argumentative. Am just tired of the personal criticisms and would like them to stop. We're here to debate the politics not judge each other on our respective views.

None of us - likely even you Temulkar - are perfect.

Temulkar wrote:

tinyclanger2 wrote:You're not offending my sensibilities. Amazingly I'm bothered by this too. I just see more effective ways than dropping in here sporadically to tell us how shit we all are.

I also post about other things and am here most days, so hardly ''dropping in here sporadically'' thank you very much. And Im not telling everyone their shit, just the shits who support the murder of children by doing nothing. If you're one of ythose shits then me telling you your shit is justified, and if you're not one of those shits, then Im not telling you you're shit.

I genuinely don't know if your posts here are sincere any more. I'm dismayed by your responses. Are you okay?

I want to make it clear: this is not an argument with Temulkar. It is a general comment on my preference for disagreeing on the issues, rather than accusing each other on the basis of our beliefs. The point is to pursuade others to another view - not slag them off for the ones they have.

I realise it's not all about me so will shut up now. Apologies again for the interruption to your usual programming.

citizenJA wrote:

Temulkar wrote:

tinyclanger2 wrote:You're not offending my sensibilities. Amazingly I'm bothered by this too. I just see more effective ways than dropping in here sporadically to tell us how shit we all are.

I also post about other things and am here most days, so hardly ''dropping in here sporadically'' thank you very much. And Im not telling everyone their shit, just the shits who support the murder of children by doing nothing. If you're one of ythose shits then me telling you your shit is justified, and if you're not one of those shits, then Im not telling you you're shit.

I genuinely don't know if your posts here are sincere any more. I'm dismayed by your responses. Are you okay?

You think Im insincere because Im railing against child murder?

You know she doesn't. Stop it.

HindleA wrote:JonnyT -your links keep proclaiming apple news,yet no information about apples.Am I missing something?Rhetorical question.

I'm helping to keep the doctor at bay...

[I've stopped using the Guardian app except for the occasions I read a live blog and switched to the News app from Apple on their iOS devices. It conveniently copys article title, source plus apple.news link to the article in question at the same time onto the clipboard making it an easier way to paste and share things on a small screen]

tinyclanger2 wrote:You know she doesn't. Stop it.

Sorry I dont folow orders.

In other news...

Team GB ‏@TeamGB 2m2 minutes ago

Milos Raonic withdraws from his #ParisMasters semi-final....

@andy_murray will become the new WORLD NUMBER 1!

Congratulations Andy!

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British Airways to shrink seat space to squeeze more passengers on to flights
Exclusive: Airline's 777 jets will have one extra seat per economy row from 2018

Yikes

And they've found her!





Nit even close to being good enough - no mention of the media coverage?

SpinningHugo wrote:mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/794876532799848448

Here he is.

What a pro.

Since that is not actually a link, you are going to have to put us out of our suspense I fear.

AnatolyKasparov wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote:mobile.twitter.com/itvnews/status/794876532799848448

Here he is.

What a pro.

Since that is not actually a link, you are going to have to put us out of our suspense I fear.

He scored the winner against Ludogrets in the Champions League. What a pro.

Temulkar wrote:

citizenJA wrote:

Temulkar wrote: I also post about other things and am here most days, so hardly ''dropping in here sporadically'' thank you very much. And Im not telling everyone their shit, just the shits who support the murder of children by doing nothing. If you're one of ythose shits then me telling you your shit is justified, and if you're not one of those shits, then Im not telling you you're shit.

I genuinely don't know if your posts here are sincere any more. I'm dismayed by your responses. Are you okay?

You think Im insincere because Im railing against child murder?

No. Please excuse me for asking.

Liz Truss has issued a very bland (and very short) statement which could have been issued at any time and in any context. Even the BBC correspondent seems unimpressed.


Edited - brackets. Thought I'd got them under control. Never relax your guard.

Liz Truss and unimpressive? Ever the twain shall meet.

From a barrister...

Colm Nugent ‏@Wigapedia 12m12 minutes ago Richmond, London

Colm Nugent Retweeted Ministry of Justice

I've read more strongly-worded statements about people putting their bins out too early for collection.

I think I'll have to renew my Labour Party membership.

"Hell" and "handcart" is all I have to offer at the moment. What a mess. Is the government still avoiding talking directly to the public through TV interviews, btw? It was something that started under Cameron and has contributed hugely to the sense of rudderless drift we currently have in this country and the general collapse of proper scrutiny and the holding of government to account.

PorFavor wrote:I think I'll have to renew my Labour Party membership.

Good move

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The government must not inflict more disability benefit cuts which I voted for.

Nobody's mentioned the Rams' excellent win over the Wolves. Shocked, really shocked.
@PF you're supposed to put a comma before you open brackets too. Hth

Light outside just now is beautiful. The trees are gold-coloured.

frightful_oik wrote:Nobody's mentioned the Rams' excellent win over the Wolves. Shocked, really shocked.
@PF you're supposed to put a comma before you open brackets too. Hth

Don't think so. But, as tinyclanger2 observed earlier, we're none of us perfect. I suppose that I must grudgingly accept that that includes me.

frightful_oik wrote:Nobody's mentioned the Rams' excellent win over the Wolves. Shocked, really shocked.
@PF you're supposed to put a comma before you open brackets too. Hth

I follow Swindon, so don't have a whole lot positive on that front today

Womble44 wrote:

frightful_oik wrote:Nobody's mentioned the Rams' excellent win over the Wolves. Shocked, really shocked.
@PF you're supposed to put a comma before you open brackets too. Hth

I follow Swindon, so don't have a whole lot positive on that front today

Be thankful you're not a Welsh rugby supporter*. They've just been humped by Australia.


*Making a HUGE assumption here

The only weapon we have is to reach some kind consensus - where we have mutual agreement - and act collectively. Otherwise we continue to hand it to the bastards all the time. This is why campaigning organisations spend valuable time building unwieldy coalitions. It's not easy. But it's how it is.

PorFavor wrote:

frightful_oik wrote:Nobody's mentioned the Rams' excellent win over the Wolves. Shocked, really shocked.
@PF you're supposed to put a comma before you open brackets too. Hth

Don't think so. But, as tinyclanger2 observed earlier, we're none of us perfect. I suppose that I must grudgingly accept that that includes me.

obviously you were exempt.
for the quality of your editing notes alone.

And . . .