Monday 23rd January 2017

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:05 pm

Lab choose Stoke candidate on Wednesday.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:05 pm

StephenDolan wrote:I'm hoping Jones can stay laser focused later. Avoid the predictable chaff of Corbyn is a threat to the security of the UK, IRA, Hamas, yada yada.

He's a threat to peace in Europe. Thinks Estonia is a faraway country. He can repeat this to their face at his "alternative EU summit" next month, if the Baltics deign to turn up.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:07 pm

Government talking about a "national champions" policy. Very Sarko.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:08 pm

HindleA wrote:Lab choose Stoke candidate on Wednesday.

Who is it ? Missed that one

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:08 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Trump's protectionism isn't going down well. Dollar down, even against the Pound.

So May thinks she'll do some of that too. Not likely to go down well with the WTO- not that we're even members of it yet.

We are though - the "take up our seat at the WTO again when we're outside the EU" was a UKIP myth. We've always had a seat alongside the EU which has one in its own right.

https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/wh ... org6_e.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:08 pm

Wednesday to come.

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:10 pm

Good-afternoon, everyone.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:12 pm

HindleA wrote:Wednesday to come.

Got it thanks. Misread read it.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:12 pm

Hi JA - you've been missed. x

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:12 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... se-inquiry" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Jehovah's Witnesses charity drops attempts to block abuse inquiry
Watch Tower’s legal challenges have held up UK investigation into alleged sexual abuse for more than two years

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:13 pm

Apologies, my friends, for being away for long without letting anyone know I'm okay. I wasn't well over the weekend. Better now.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:13 pm

The Welsh White Paper.

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/p ... 1485169965" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:13 pm

citizenJA wrote:Good-afternoon, everyone.

Good to see you CJA, hope all is well with you

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:14 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 59m
More
Westminster VI:
CON: 42% (-)
LAB: 26% (-2)
UKIP: 13% (+1)
LDEM: 10% (+1)
GRN: 5% (+1)
(via ICM / 20-22 Jan)

When do Labour party MPs and members say enough is enough ? To be trailing this badly behind this diabolical govt is appalling.

Seems a few have forgotten the absolute slating Ed got for being level or marginally ahead.

Blimey, even if you added LDs & Green to Labour's total, it still isn't enough to beat the Cons !

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:16 pm

yahyah wrote:Hi JA - you've been missed. x

I'm sorry, my friend, for not letting you know I wasn't well.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:16 pm

Just glad you are feeling better now.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:17 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
StephenDolan wrote:I'm hoping Jones can stay laser focused later. Avoid the predictable chaff of Corbyn is a threat to the security of the UK, IRA, Hamas, yada yada.
He's a threat to peace in Europe. Thinks Estonia is a faraway country. He can repeat this to their face at his "alternative EU summit" next month, if the Baltics deign to turn up.

Showing my ignorance here
Who is Jones?

citizenJA · Post by **citizenJA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:20 pm

I was reading a little from the weekend thread. I'll read some more to catch up.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:21 pm

Ah - Kevan Jones MP
Sorry a bit slow this am

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:21 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:
Tubby Isaacs wrote:Trump's protectionism isn't going down well. Dollar down, even against the Pound.

So May thinks she'll do some of that too. Not likely to go down well with the WTO- not that we're even members of it yet.
We are though - the "take up our seat at the WTO again when we're outside the EU" was a UKIP myth. We've always had a seat alongside the EU which has one in its own right.

https://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/wh ... org6_e.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As I understand it, the UK would need to renegotiate that membership to reflect it leaving the EU and the new powers it would have in its own right.

So it's only de iure a member.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:21 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... a-may-know" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How did the Trident test fail and what did Theresa May know?
Ewen MacAskill looks at the details of the test off Florida last year and the political implications of its failure

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:24 pm

yahyah wrote:The Welsh White Paper.

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/p ... 1485169965" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From the press conference.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:29 pm

pk1 wrote:
AnatolyKasparov wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote: That's them gone officially then...
Clears the way for Feb 23 polls in both.

I note that the Tories are yet to select a candidate in Copeland - all the other "main" parties have done so.

Slightly odd if they are as confident of winning it as they claim?
tbf, Labour don't yet have a candidate for Stoke Central either. Personally, I think Labour will retain Copeland - Gillian seems a very capable, likeable candidate. Stoke however I'm not nearly so certain of.

Stoke was announced significantly later of course - Labour are selecting in the next few days IIRC and again look likely to have a candidate before the Tories do.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:31 pm

https://consult.education.gov.uk/specia ... an-review/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lenehan review of experiences and outcomes in residential special schools and colleges

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:44 pm

http://www.parliament.uk/business/commi ... ess-16-17/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Universal Credit update inquiry

DWP Select Committee 16.15,for those interested.

Stream 7

http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Guide" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:46 pm

I'm sure that the usual right wing suspects who just love the Institute of Economic Affairs will retweet this....maybe not.

Kate Andrews Verified account
‏@KateAndrs

May's #IndustrialStrategy assumes government is well placed to pick winners...despite all evidence to the contrary

Bit of a conundrum for them - how to support May while being totally against government intervention in the market.

Answer - simply ignore it. Pretend it doesn't exist and carry on jeering at lefties.

Tubby Isaacs · Post by **Tubby Isaacs** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 1:52 pm

RogerOThornhill wrote:I'm sure that the usual right wing suspects who just love the Institute of Economic Affairs will retweet this....maybe not.

Kate Andrews Verified account
‏@KateAndrs

May's #IndustrialStrategy assumes government is well placed to pick winners...despite all evidence to the contrary
Bit of a conundrum for them - how to support May while being totally against government intervention in the market.

Answer - simply ignore it. Pretend it doesn't exist and carry on jeering at lefties.

Kate Andrews has done her share of "non-jobs".

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/kate-andrews-1673a945" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 2:01 pm

http://z2k.org/2017/01/westminster-rene ... of-london/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Westminster renews its drive to shift homeless families out of London

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 2:02 pm

: Two Polish brothers who recruited staff for an agency that supplied Sports Direct convicted of offence under Modern Slavery Act

(Danny Shaw)

Erwin & Krystian Markowski admitted conning and threatening workers employed at Sport Direct's warehouse at Shirebrook, in Derbyshire.

The Markowski brothers recruited 18 vulnerable men in Poland, then controlled their bank accounts and kept most of their wages.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 2:12 pm

https://thinkprogress.org/trumps-health ... .nuchcm4hn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Trump’s health plan involves robbing poor people of their coverage
He promised not to cut Medicaid. But we know what his promises are worth.

RogerOThornhill · Post by **RogerOThornhill** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 2:18 pm

Tubby Isaacs wrote:
RogerOThornhill wrote:I'm sure that the usual right wing suspects who just love the Institute of Economic Affairs will retweet this....maybe not.

Kate Andrews Verified account
‏@KateAndrs

May's #IndustrialStrategy assumes government is well placed to pick winners...despite all evidence to the contrary
Bit of a conundrum for them - how to support May while being totally against government intervention in the market.

Answer - simply ignore it. Pretend it doesn't exist and carry on jeering at lefties.
Kate Andrews has done her share of "non-jobs".

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/kate-andrews-1673a945" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Strange how working for a "charity" like the IEA seems to escape the description of non-jobs really.

And yes, they are a charity. For their "educational work" apparently.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 2:35 pm

IS ARTICLE 50 REVERSIBLE? A PRIMER ON THE DUBLIN CASE.

https://waitingfortax.com/2017/01/17/is ... blin-case/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 2:39 pm

Brexit could cut wages by 30% over next two decades, says private equity boss Guy Hands
Leaving the European Union will be bad for most people but good for his own multi-billion pound fund, he says

Guy Hands, chairman of Terra Firma, one of Europe's largest private equity groups, warned that the country will have to get rid of much of its social safety net and may see a 30 per cent decline in wages in real terms in the next 20 years to enable it to compete outside of Europe.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/busin ... 40986.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

All going to the troy plan then. They've just got there much quicker than I ever thought they would, via Brexit

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 2:40 pm

Jo Maugham QCVerified account
‏@JolyonMaugham
No one voted for this, @UKLabour. It's not a "enormous opportunity", @johnmcdonnellMP. History will not be kind to those who permitted it.

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AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 2:47 pm

Sinn Féin names Michelle O'Neill as new leader in Northern Ireland
O’Neill, 40, replaces Martin McGuinness, who will not be standing in forthcoming assembly elections due to ill-health

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 2:49 pm

MeyGen Phase 1A halfway done with second Andritz turbine installed

http://tidalenergytoday.com/2017/01/23/ ... installed/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 2:51 pm

Dr Jess Wade@jesswade 7m7 minutes ago
More
“If Britain is going to make a success of #Brexit, we need more schools like the @kingsmathschool.” https://www.tes.com/news/further-educat ... technology" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; … #ASEChat @tes

Theresa May pledges £170m for institutes of technology

https://www.tes.com/news/further-educat ... technology" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 2:55 pm

WTF is she wearing ?! Sorry but if that's her husband's idea of stylish apparel, he's very much mistaken

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 3:01 pm

It looks like a Vivienne Westwood. May's fond of her designs.
The ill fitting tartan trouser suit she wore recently was one of hers.
It looked like bargain purchase from Damart's sale catalogue [my old mum used to like their stuff] but cost over £1,000 smackeroos.

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 3:03 pm

Why TTIP will live on – but not for the EU

The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership – also known as TTIP – could be the next casualty in the Brexit fallout. But not in the way you might expect. The controversial trade agreement between the EU and United States could well fall apart, only for the UK to pick up the pieces for its own trade deal.

For the UK, leaving the European Union means leaving the numerous trade deals it is party to. This includes the free trade it has with the 27 other EU members and the EU’s agreements with 50 other countries. It also means exclusion from the deals currently being negotiated – an agreement with Japan and, of course, TTIP. But for the EU, Brexit could mean the end of TTIP altogether.

https://theconversation.com/why-ttip-wi ... e-eu-61718" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

pk1 · Post by **pk1** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 3:08 pm

yahyah wrote:It looks like a Vivienne Westwood. May's fond of her designs.
The ill fitting tartan trouser suit she wore recently was one of hers.
It looked like bargain purchase from Damart's sale catalogue [my old mum used to like their stuff] but cost over £1,000 smackeroos.

Damart sale catalogue

She don't half wear some naff outfits - that particular tartan suit is one of the most hideous things I've seen any woman wear and the leather trousers weren't exactly a whole lot better either.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 3:12 pm

More obsession with self,less for others.IMHO.That's my excuse for extreme lack of vanity,or looking a mess despite others best efforts,at least I spend the least amount possible in doing so.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 3:17 pm

Though did spend more than a fiver on a haircut the other day.I was surprised I still remembered the combination for the wallet,even more that the contents were still legal tender.

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 3:24 pm

The guy on the right looks like he has been hypnotised and whats with the hand cradling thing.

AnatolyKasparov · Post by **AnatolyKasparov** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 3:29 pm

AngryAsWell wrote:Sinn Féin names Michelle O'Neill as new leader in Northern Ireland
O’Neill, 40, replaces Martin McGuinness, who will not be standing in forthcoming assembly elections due to ill-health

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... CMP=twt_gu" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

An interesting choice, she is young enough to be effectively "post-war".

AngryAsWell · Post by **AngryAsWell** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 3:30 pm

Brexit will cost British businesses ‘billions’ unless Circular Economy Package is replaced

The EU’s six-bill suite of waste, packaging, landfill, end of life vehicles, batteries and accumulators, and waste electronic equipment laws is aimed at ensuring as little as possible is wasted in a world of finite resources and booming population.

http://www.euractiv.com/section/sustain ... 1485181166" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 3:36 pm

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/t ... 867de7372b" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Tories Write Off Stoke-on-Trent Central By-Election, Party Sources Say"

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 3:40 pm

HindleA wrote:The guy on the right looks like he has been hypnotised and whats with the hand cradling thing.

Protecting their nadgers ?

HindleA · Post by **HindleA** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 3:41 pm

Maybe,off camera someone lining up a free kick.

yahyah · Post by **yahyah** » Mon 23 Jan, 2017 3:47 pm

Three beautiful shaggy white Abruzzo sheepdog puppies have been found alive in the Italian avalanche hotel. Good news, and hopefully more people will be found too.
Rescuers say it's an indication air pockets exist.