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SpinningHugo wrote:

Temulkar wrote:And for anyone thinking the Lib dems are the principled opposition to brexit, they didn't turn up to the debate yesterday, and a third of the party's MPs will be voting to enact A50.

They have two abstentions, Norman Lamb and Greg Mulholland. None voting for I am aware of.

Greens only party with a coherent position (other than PC and SNP).

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Can it really be the case that everyone on Twitter thinks May is much better than Corbyn because she said "He can lead a protest. I lead a country"?

Like really?

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:Can it really be the case that everyone on Twitter thinks May is much better than Corbyn because she said "He can lead a protest. I lead a country"?

Like really?

Mick Readdin
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Yet again (in the commons) we have Tory MP after Tory MP, lauding the "100% support of NATO" by Trump, and continually reiterated by the PM herself. Does ANYONE really believe he won't take a different view in the months ahead?


Agrajag3k Mick Readdin

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I have yet to hear Trump say it, which can only mean that what he told May in private is in line with Trump's habit of telling everyone he meets exactly what they want to hear, and then doing his own thing.

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EXCLUSIVE: 65 Oxford St, Stoke which Nuttall put on nomination form as home address. He admits he's never been there

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EXCLUSIVE: 65 Oxford St, Stoke which Nuttall put on nomination form as home address. He admits he's never been there

Taxi for Nuttall!

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EXCLUSIVE: 65 Oxford St, Stoke which Nuttall put on nomination form as home address. He admits he's never been there

Taxi for Nuttall!

“Labour faces an existential crisis now” – not my words but those of a senior trade union official, whose roots in and loyalty to the party are impeccable. His observation that “while full-time union officials and shop stewards supported remain, workforces tended to opt for leave in the referendum”, presents a mirror image of the split in American unions between leaders who supported the Democrats and their members who often voted for Trump.

A similar scenario has been played out in the Labour party, with local party officials and members more often supporting remain, while three quarters of actual Labour constituencies have majorities who voted to leave the EU. Now, as frontbenchers and shadow cabinet members resign and a group of rebel Labour MPs puts forward a Commons motion to throw out the government’s bill to trigger article 50, there is a deep sense of foreboding, frustration and some anger among many of their colleagues.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Watch out for this one. It's going to be the new Corbynite excuse, replacing "we had a leadership contest" for his deplorable ratings.

“Labour faces an existential crisis now” – not my words but those of a senior trade union official, whose roots in and loyalty to the party are impeccable. His observation that “while full-time union officials and shop stewards supported remain, workforces tended to opt for leave in the referendum”, presents a mirror image of the split in American unions between leaders who supported the Democrats and their members who often voted for Trump.

A similar scenario has been played out in the Labour party, with local party officials and members more often supporting remain, while three quarters of actual Labour constituencies have majorities who voted to leave the EU. Now, as frontbenchers and shadow cabinet members resign and a group of rebel Labour MPs puts forward a Commons motion to throw out the government’s bill to trigger article 50, there is a deep sense of foreboding, frustration and some anger among many of their colleagues.

So speaks Mark Seddon.

Problems in heartlands aren't to do with Corbyn having no appeal, oh no. It's Catherine West and Jo Stevens etc voting against Brexit, like their constituents. I'd venture enough Labour voters in Stoke could get their heads round that.

When he had first arrived, he had found London huge, odd, fundamentally incomprehensible, with only the Tube map, that elegant multicolored topographical display of underground railway lines and stations, giving it any semblance of order. Gradually he realized that the Tube map was a handy fiction that made life easier but bore no resemblance to the reality of the shape of the city above. It was like belonging to a political party, he thought once, proudly, and then, having tried to explain the resemblance between the Tube map and politics, at a party, to a cluster of bewildered strangers, he had decided in the future to leave political comment to others.

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Watch out for this one. It's going to be the new Corbynite excuse, replacing "we had a leadership contest" for his deplorable ratings.

“Labour faces an existential crisis now” – not my words but those of a senior trade union official, whose roots in and loyalty to the party are impeccable. His observation that “while full-time union officials and shop stewards supported remain, workforces tended to opt for leave in the referendum”, presents a mirror image of the split in American unions between leaders who supported the Democrats and their members who often voted for Trump.

A similar scenario has been played out in the Labour party, with local party officials and members more often supporting remain, while three quarters of actual Labour constituencies have majorities who voted to leave the EU. Now, as frontbenchers and shadow cabinet members resign and a group of rebel Labour MPs puts forward a Commons motion to throw out the government’s bill to trigger article 50, there is a deep sense of foreboding, frustration and some anger among many of their colleagues.

So speaks Mark Seddon.

Problems in heartlands aren't to do with Corbyn having no appeal, oh no. It's Catherine West and Jo Stevens etc voting against Brexit, like their constituents. I'd venture enough Labour voters in Stoke could get their heads round that.

Tubby can you explain this so a simple soul like me can understand? Thanks

Law and policy ‏@Law_and_policy 1m1 minute ago

A room somewhere in Whitehall.

An otherwise blank sheet of paper is headed "Brexit White Paper".

Quiet.

"Ok, we have until tomorrow."

RogerOThornhill wrote:

Law and policy ‏@Law_and_policy 1m1 minute ago

A room somewhere in Whitehall.

An otherwise blank sheet of paper is headed "Brexit White Paper".

Quiet.

"Ok, we have until tomorrow."

Law and policy ‏@Law_and_policy 3m3 minutes ago

Labour: we will support Article 50 in return for White Paper.

HMG: White Paper after we have your votes.

Labour: OK, then.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Watch out for this one. It's going to be the new Corbynite excuse, replacing "we had a leadership contest" for his deplorable ratings.
So speaks Mark Seddon.

Problems in heartlands aren't to do with Corbyn having no appeal, oh no. It's Catherine West and Jo Stevens etc voting against Brexit, like their constituents. I'd venture enough Labour voters in Stoke could get their heads round that.

Tubby can you explain this so a simple soul like me can understand? Thanks

It looks like the new "line" on why Labour is underperforming to me.

What's the bigger problem? Some MPs whose constituencies voted Remain voting against Brexit? Or the leader being rated 14% for best PM? I'd suggest the former isn't a problem at all. Why would anyone in Stoke care?

SpinningHugo wrote:

RogerOThornhill wrote:

Law and policy ‏@Law_and_policy 1m1 minute ago

A room somewhere in Whitehall.

An otherwise blank sheet of paper is headed "Brexit White Paper".

Quiet.

"Ok, we have until tomorrow."

Law and policy ‏@Law_and_policy 3m3 minutes ago

Labour: we will support Article 50 in return for White Paper.

HMG: White Paper after we have your votes.

Labour: OK, then.

It is all so funny.

SpinningHugo wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote: Tubby can you explain this so a simple soul like me can understand? Thanks

It looks like the new "line" on why Labour is underperforming to me.

What's the bigger problem? Some MPs whose constituencies voted Remain voting against Brexit? Or the leader being rated 14% for best PM? I'd suggest the former isn't a problem at all. Why would anyone in Stoke care?

This line is not, I think, wholly wrong. Labour is stuffed on Brexit whatever it does, and that isn't entirely down to Corbyn. His "leadership" has, of course, hit the same standards we have come to expect, but the problems are structural. Most people care more about Brexit than they do party loyalty. They're right. Labour's position on Brexit is incomprehensible. The party of the 0%. Even Wilson in his prime would have had difficulty managing it.

Look at your yourself. Your decision to swap parties (outside Wales) was, in the end, driven by Brexit, not Corbyn. I'd left Labour before Brexit, but only plumped for another party after Brexit forced me to choose.

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

PaulfromYorkshire wrote:

Tubby Isaacs wrote:Watch out for this one. It's going to be the new Corbynite excuse, replacing "we had a leadership contest" for his deplorable ratings.
So speaks Mark Seddon.

Problems in heartlands aren't to do with Corbyn having no appeal, oh no. It's Catherine West and Jo Stevens etc voting against Brexit, like their constituents. I'd venture enough Labour voters in Stoke could get their heads round that.

Tubby can you explain this so a simple soul like me can understand? Thanks

It looks like the new "line" on why Labour is underperforming to me.

What's the bigger problem? Some MPs whose constituencies voted Remain voting against Brexit? Or the leader being rated 14% for best PM? I'd suggest the former isn't a problem at all. Why would anyone in Stoke care?

SpinningHugo wrote: It is all so funny.

RogerOThornhill wrote:

SpinningHugo wrote: It is all so funny.

I find it helps to keep a sense of humour about everything right now...

The Senate committee has approved President Donald Trump's picks for Health and Treasury secretaries after majority Republicans suspended the panel's rules.

The rule they suspended requires at least one Democrat to be present for votes. It was the latest escalation in partisan tensions in the new Congress.

RogerOThornhill wrote:Republicans change rules so Democrats cannot block controversial Trump Cabinet picks

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 57391.html

The Senate committee has approved President Donald Trump's picks for Health and Treasury secretaries after majority Republicans suspended the panel's rules.

The rule they suspended requires at least one Democrat to be present for votes. It was the latest escalation in partisan tensions in the new Congress.

Move along now, nothing to see here...right?

AngryAsWell wrote:Labour’s Mike Gapes says that, by triggering article 50 early, the government will be putting the UK on an escalator it will not be able to get off. It should have waited until the Irish court case determines whether or not article 50 is reversible, he says.

From AS blog

Spot on Mike

Tubby Isaacs wrote:

AngryAsWell wrote:Labour’s Mike Gapes says that, by triggering article 50 early, the government will be putting the UK on an escalator it will not be able to get off. It should have waited until the Irish court case determines whether or not article 50 is reversible, he says.

From AS blog

Spot on Mike

Yeah. Not to mention the White Paper not being published.

What a farce. A sitter to make the point that this is a rush job, with as little scrutiny as possible. But vote for it anyway, 3 line whip.

RogerOThornhill wrote:Republicans change rules so Democrats cannot block controversial Trump Cabinet picks

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 57391.html

The Senate committee has approved President Donald Trump's picks for Health and Treasury secretaries after majority Republicans suspended the panel's rules.

The rule they suspended requires at least one Democrat to be present for votes. It was the latest escalation in partisan tensions in the new Congress.

Move along now, nothing to see here...right?

yahyah wrote:https://twitter.com/EmmaJThomas

Ukip sources tell a local political reporter that Nuttall will be moving in 'very soon'.

Ormiston Academies Trust, which runs 29 schools, is looking for a PR agency to provide a "cost-effective and efficient supply solution, for reputation, media relations and crisis management, and fundraising support service that is suitable for the trust's head office and all Ormiston academies".

According to an online contract notice revealed by PR Week, the estimated value for the work is up to £1,080,000, including VAT.

Nigel Farage among Ukip MEPs accused of misusing EU funds

Eight Ukip MEPs including Paul Nuttall may be forced to repay £500,000 if they are found to have breached EU funding rules (Guardian)

PorFavor wrote:

Nigel Farage among Ukip MEPs accused of misusing EU funds

Eight Ukip MEPs including Paul Nuttall may be forced to repay £500,000 if they are found to have breached EU funding rules (Guardian)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... g-eu-funds

yahyah wrote:AS' blog has a quote from a Politicshome piece that made me chuckle.

'One well-placed source said ''Corbyn's team are very irritated with Clive. By resigning, he will get the love and support of all the young lefty members who are appalled by Corbyn's stance on Article 50'' '.

Some party insiders now believe Team Corbyn could use Lewis’ departure as an opportunity to promote another bright young thing.

“I think there’s a good chance they’ll move Rebecca Long-Bailey from shadow chief secretary to shadow business to replace Clive,” says one. “They are really pushing her - it looks like she is now Jeremy’s chosen successor. Shifting her gives her profile plus a platform to build alliances with the trade unions.

Willow904 wrote:

yahyah wrote:AS' blog has a quote from a Politicshome piece that made me chuckle.

'One well-placed source said ''Corbyn's team are very irritated with Clive. By resigning, he will get the love and support of all the young lefty members who are appalled by Corbyn's stance on Article 50'' '.

Some party insiders now believe Team Corbyn could use Lewis’ departure as an opportunity to promote another bright young thing.

“I think there’s a good chance they’ll move Rebecca Long-Bailey from shadow chief secretary to shadow business to replace Clive,” says one. “They are really pushing her - it looks like she is now Jeremy’s chosen successor. Shifting her gives her profile plus a platform to build alliances with the trade unions.

Bit premature? I thought Lewis was going to vote against only if no amendments were passed?

SpinningHugo wrote:

Willow904 wrote:

yahyah wrote:AS' blog has a quote from a Politicshome piece that made me chuckle.

'One well-placed source said ''Corbyn's team are very irritated with Clive. By resigning, he will get the love and support of all the young lefty members who are appalled by Corbyn's stance on Article 50'' '.

Some party insiders now believe Team Corbyn could use Lewis’ departure as an opportunity to promote another bright young thing.

“I think there’s a good chance they’ll move Rebecca Long-Bailey from shadow chief secretary to shadow business to replace Clive,” says one. “They are really pushing her - it looks like she is now Jeremy’s chosen successor. Shifting her gives her profile plus a platform to build alliances with the trade unions.

Bit premature? I thought Lewis was going to vote against only if no amendments were passed?

How could an amendment pass? Why should the government make concessions, given Labour's unconditional support? The amendments are just a dance.

SpinningHugo wrote:
I can't see how anybody, Labour or Tory, can vote for without a White Paper.

Stewart Wood is good on this

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Those who vote the wrong way on this should not be forgotten.